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Street Fighter V |OT3| Frauds Among Us
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SneakersSO
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You gotta learn how to stop his aggression. Most pressure comes from getting in, and that is where Gief excels. You gotta find which of his normals he is using when getting in can be punished with an SPD. Same goes for pushing him out of pressure range. You want to be using cr.jab to push someone out - its one of Gief's greatest distancing tools. Once they are out of block range, you can start making reads. Also, if he is going in & hitting buttons, don't forget to use your v-skill to eat a hit, then cancel into SPD. Watch Snake_eyes matches to see how its done.
Remember, Gief is primarily a read character, its how he is played at the highest level. You want to create situations & see what your opponent does when placed in those situations. If your opponent jabs a lot at certain ranges because he's afraid of getting spd'd, walk back for a frame and throw out a crush counter. Or eat a hit with your v-skill & spd then.
Stone Ocean
Member
Use Lariat, it forces people to be more wary of jumping on you.
GootecksShimmy
Banned
I'd like to see these matchesUpload them.
What would the easiest way be to do so? Check my own CFN profile, check last matches, and then record the replays, or is that not possible?
I can stream for the next 15-20 minutes for anyone interested in watching a scrub vega online.
I'll then be gone for 15 minutes, and then can stream again on Twitch.
https://www.twitch.tv/gootecksshimmy/
I am not a good player by any means, but at least where I am at they have to mess up and you have to punish real hard. Chun has the damn tools to make life hell.
GootecksShimmy
Banned
Necalli needs to get in. Simple as that. Problem is chun has a great anti air with that LK, and great footsies on the ground. You have to play hyper passive, and hope she comes to you and messes up in the neutral.
Once you are in abuse your HP meaty, cross ups, command grabs, anti airs, etc.
I generally beat Chun as Necalli ONLY when I get into super saiyan mode.
Maybe try going for crush counters if your friend has a tendency to push buttons. Stay at around mid range and use st. HK to pop him into the air for air grabs or charge st. HP to absorb a hit then dash in and SPD after crush counter. Ryu's jab range is also really short and Zangief's LP SPD can probably blow through if done just out of jab range. Go for lariat or st. LP if he's jumping at you and regular throws when he's bulldogging up close since they'll beat a normal on the same frame.
Hellshingu
Member
That is a way another good thing to do is save your last 15 minutesof gameplay through the share fearture on PS4 then trim and cut it form there.
Aye, stay back and V-Skill to build meter. Hope they let you play lame for long enough to go Long Hair Don't Care mode.
Not good by any means, but I do ok against the Chuns that I am faced with.
Make your punishes count, make ex dp count, get in their head early with seismo.
And throw every chance that you get, command and normal.
That's what I figured. I seriously expect her to get some kind of nerf down the line unless some new stuff is discovered, since the "pray they mess up" game plan seems a little too hopeless for a matchup.
GootecksShimmy
Banned
Hot damn. Nash blew me up sky high.
Him and Cammy are pretty much going to beat me every time . xD
Him and Cammy are pretty much going to beat me every time . xD
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Man, you're posting style/persona reminds me of this other dude who used to be up in the SF4 threads, used to play Cody iirc. Zlatko was his name, maybe? Something like that.
GootecksShimmy
Banned
Last game, then I have to head out.
Will be back in 30ish minutes and will stream again. I'm all for tips too. Feels bad losing to Birdie but he had great reads on me.
That ken match sucked. Laggy. Not unplayable, but some minor teleporting happened. Blah. Brb GAF.
Will be back in 30ish minutes and will stream again. I'm all for tips too. Feels bad losing to Birdie but he had great reads on me.
That ken match sucked. Laggy. Not unplayable, but some minor teleporting happened. Blah. Brb GAF.
hitsugi
Member
Impressive memory.
Hellshingu
Member
Yeah you seem to put yourself in a lot of dangerous situations with your raw vtriggers and FCBs. You cornered yourself quick a few times using them at the wrong times. You also seem to have a little bit of issues with jab mashers. I see you using clawless stance a lot in training but never really go to it much in VS how come?
Shouta
Member
You need to halt his advance. If he's pressing buttons, counterpoke him. If he's jumping in on you, make sure to anti-air him each and very time. Him being aggressive works in your favor because then you don't have to work your way in which is the harder thing to do. You just have to shore up your defenses.
I thought that awhile ago, it's just missing that tag about his bp or whatever it was.
skLaFarebear
Member
Bison's teleport/grab range makes me so salty.
lucebuce12
Member
If he's dashing towards you and you know he's gonna be in range to either HK or grab, then jab his ass off of you. It'll take some practice but you'll get the hang of it.
skLaFarebear
Member
Just fought the same Cammy twice. Either this game is even more dead than i thought or MM is fucked.
Does st.lp work if he dashes in and st.mp? I play Laura so i have a 3 frame jab.
Does st.lp work if he dashes in and st.mp? I play Laura so i have a 3 frame jab.
lucebuce12
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The trick is to get your jab out before he get's a chance to complete his move. If he's already gotten his cr.mp out, then there's not much you can do about it. Remember that there's a small period during the later stages of his dash where he has no invulnerability and he's still recovering.
Throws will take 5 frames to come out, and his HK will take 9. You can definitely get a 3 frame jab out there but like I said, it takes practice.
You have loads of time to punish Bison's dashes. They're not nearly as fast as they look. Press the button before he reappears.
skLaFarebear
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RapidCancel
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You still on? I'm up for some games.
skLaFarebear
Member
And I just got blown up by a bison. Damn, it's hard fighting a bison when they're only pressing the safe buttons. I get too impatient.
Sure. Send the invite!
Sure. Send the invite!
Holy fucking shit, I must have had my laggiest match yet.
This is why I watch the intros holy shit, we both sat back for a while then we starting going at each other in what looks like everything catching up to itself in a single frame.
Please excuse my whiff at the end. still can't end that combo with a critical art online when I can do it fine in training. T_T.
This is why I watch the intros holy shit, we both sat back for a while then we starting going at each other in what looks like everything catching up to itself in a single frame.
Please excuse my whiff at the end. still can't end that combo with a critical art online when I can do it fine in training. T_T.
N
Noray
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Finally reached Ultra Bronze after beating a better (higher LP, anyway) Mika than mine, a silver Ryu and a Bison. Time to retire.
Real talk though does anyone else have more problems fighting scrubby Ken/Ryu players than high skill ones? You don't expect them to do stupid shit like wake-up SRK literally every single time but they do. Like, a good player you can condition to make certain reads, but some players just have no brains to condition I guess, and though I know I should just block and punish the scrubs, I keep trying to play them like they're smart and get blown up by dumb shit. I know that's on me but it sucks because those matches are no fun and just make me indulge in bad habits that I have to unlearn to fight better players.
Real talk though does anyone else have more problems fighting scrubby Ken/Ryu players than high skill ones? You don't expect them to do stupid shit like wake-up SRK literally every single time but they do. Like, a good player you can condition to make certain reads, but some players just have no brains to condition I guess, and though I know I should just block and punish the scrubs, I keep trying to play them like they're smart and get blown up by dumb shit. I know that's on me but it sucks because those matches are no fun and just make me indulge in bad habits that I have to unlearn to fight better players.
Rocky_Balboa
Member
Anyone from EU up for some matches? FightID: Rocky_B / Bison / EU-FIN
lucebuce12
Member
Matchmaking's been really screwy for me, getting very few matches. Highest rank I've gotten so far is around 1900 lp.
So anyway, there's this dude named KappaPawa who plays almost exclusively Vega. Ran into him during the Betas and then when the game launched.
After game's launch:
Got matched up with him, he won. Fair enough.
Matched up with him again, I won. I adapted.
Matched again 2 or 3 days later. He has a 19 win streak. Freaking bodied him. He RQ'd.
Matched up again a few days later. No win streak. Bodied him again. He RQ'd.
Just got matched up with him again an hour ago in a CASUAL Match. He quit before the match loaded
So anyway, there's this dude named KappaPawa who plays almost exclusively Vega. Ran into him during the Betas and then when the game launched.
After game's launch:
Got matched up with him, he won. Fair enough.
Matched up with him again, I won. I adapted.
Matched again 2 or 3 days later. He has a 19 win streak. Freaking bodied him. He RQ'd.
Matched up again a few days later. No win streak. Bodied him again. He RQ'd.
Just got matched up with him again an hour ago in a CASUAL Match. He quit before the match loaded
"God's Beard!"
Member
Honestly I just pick another character. I think Ryu and Gief have a lot more tools than Necalli vs Chun.
Yes, Ryu's who keep jumping everywhere are the bane of my existance, I can beat them, but I'm always left with tiny bits of health and I get blown up by Ken's because I try to do wake up cannon spikes when Ken's heavy Shoyruken beats me everytime, and I keep thinking that he's going to mix it up eventually, but no press A to win.
The Hermit
Member
thats hilarious
Watching TampaBison's stream calmed my nerves about Bison a bit. I still hate the character for all the braindead/auto safe pressure shit but at least he has a weakness (wakeup/dealing with pressure).
I played a couple battle lounge sets last night against a solid Gief. It was fun except when the supers came. I don't really like the "if you're in the vicinity, you lose" concept and the window/range for his air grab is too lenient but whatever. I have more of an issue with the hit box of his V-trigger. If I jump over him and he's still spinning facing the other way, I don't think I should be in danger of being hit.
So anyway, I then played a Nash. And right away I knew something was up, lol. I got bodied mechanically in the first round. I thought maybe it was just late night and/or the guy was a beast, but when i went neutral he started spazzing a bit. After I lost the FT2 I checked the replay and lol'd @ the inputs that were streaming in like code in the Matrix.
I played a couple battle lounge sets last night against a solid Gief. It was fun except when the supers came. I don't really like the "if you're in the vicinity, you lose" concept and the window/range for his air grab is too lenient but whatever. I have more of an issue with the hit box of his V-trigger. If I jump over him and he's still spinning facing the other way, I don't think I should be in danger of being hit.
So anyway, I then played a Nash. And right away I knew something was up, lol. I got bodied mechanically in the first round. I thought maybe it was just late night and/or the guy was a beast, but when i went neutral he started spazzing a bit. After I lost the FT2 I checked the replay and lol'd @ the inputs that were streaming in like code in the Matrix.
skLaFarebear
Member
Oh my god. I fucking forgot about chip super and i didn't have any v-reversal lmao
damn i shouldn't have been that close
damn i shouldn't have been that close
RapidCancel
Member
Lol my goal was to chip. I was surprised I caught you. I have no idea how to play against Laura.
Speaking of V-reversal, a few days ago I had a Cammy - Bison match and I did a cr mk, against which he did a V-reversal. Thing is, I canceled into super. And his v-reversal of the cr mk stopped my super after the full startup animation.....
CountBlack
Member
can confirm those blank buttons do absolutely nothing
will wait for colours to be in the shop
Thats why im currently playing casual matches LOL I just hit ultra bronze and dont feel like losing it right now.
lucebuce12
Member
I believe the mp will win but I'd love some confirmation on this. Not entirely sure.
I literally just lost it to a ryu that kept jumping and I never punished their jump ins @_@
KhalilSyncere
Member
Like most of her moves that aren't Cannon Spike, lots of things can and do stuff Cammy's super outright, or at best, trades with them if it catches her right. I've stuffed that shit on reaction with Laura's S. MP, the tip of her elbow caught the super right at Cammy's feet and beat it. I've done it about 3 times now. It's hilarious.
Reizo Ryuu
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Ok fuck it, I can't go this long without playing.
I made a lounge with pass 619. Don't care if you are the worst or the best player, let's do a quick ft5 to scratch this itch before I go back to division.
I made a lounge with pass 619. Don't care if you are the worst or the best player, let's do a quick ft5 to scratch this itch before I go back to division.
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