lucebuce12
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Sigh.
*goes back to daydreaming about a sequel to Street Fighter Alpha*
I was gonna make a joke about how we now also know her cup size, but Laura doesn't wear bras.
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Street Fighter V |OTVIII| New Delayed Generation - Controversial Inputs
- Thread starter Reizo Ryuu
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Shadoken
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That list isnt gospel , it gives a rough idea. Yun is still above characters like Viper,Balrog,Sim. Who are either already in or rumoured to get in.
Also popularity changes , if you held that poll right now I really doubt someone like Karin and Mika would be top and you would have other characters missing now moving up top. Before SFxT released characters like Poison,Hugo and Rolento were near the top. But look at the drop they had.
Another thing is a lot of characters have loud vocal fanbases , look at where Balrog is on that list. And then compare to Balrog actual popularity. So many people play him , even back in S1.
If I'm not missing any, SF4 added 11 by Ultra (Abel, C. Viper, Fuerte, Gouken, Hakan, Juri, Oni, Rufus, Seth, Decapre, and Poison).
SFV will be at 9 by the end of this season. I think it's on pace with the newcomers.
Omnistalgic
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ex bullhorn is honest? Spamming lp and his sweep (safe on block and super hard to punish) is honest?
I dunno, the 50/50 based characters get a lot of hate, but I'm not about to call Birdie honest just because his revolves around reads, he has derp.
Ryu is honest, Fang is honest (once you realize he's not always safe) Alex is honest, etc...
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lucebuce12
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Again, it's EX bullhead, not EX bullhorn. It's only when he has V-Trigger. it costs meter. And I've said time and time again that that move should NOT have frame-1 armour. At least it's -5 oB now so it's SOMETHING. His sweep is only safe on block at max range, you can't exactly spam that shit and get away with it against everyone. Chun can definitely EX legs, FANG and Karin can punish back with a sweep (I think), and Ken might be able to EX tatsu.
and lol, if Birdie isn't honest then who is!!
Ryu isn't just honest, he's shit. FANG is not honest lol you probably haven't seem some dirty AF mixups with the trap in S2/S2.5. Alex is arguably honest but again, like Ryu he is shit.
The difference between Birdie and those 3 is that Birdie can't maintain pressure as well, and that Birdie is actually good unlike these 3.
Holy Shit.
Birdie has a very hard time maintaining pressure relative to other characters. He's got cheap stuff, but everyone should.
lucebuce12
Member
By SFV standards, sure.
I want Necro actually. I really like him as zany but dark character and would like to see him in 3D and how the current dev team would interpret him.
lucebuce12
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As a low-tier character.
Shadoken
Member
Not in V trigger.
Hes kinda like Karin , in that he just has a lot of super strong tools but not one move that seems really dumb.
I'm just objecting as a salty Yang player. He's a victim of hate purely because his brother is just that fucking annoying.
Omnistalgic
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Point taken, but still you get vtrigger every round, it's cheap, and Birdie gets to use it every round. I'm not gonna brush that under the rug. Until that crap is removed I ain't giving him the "honest" title!
Main point there's something derp about just every character. Even Juri, lol...some of her moves are clearly designed for you to think it's your turn. But as you said, overall a weaker character like Alex and Ryu.
I like Ed and Kolin though in that "honest"category. And by SFV standards Birdie is honest, but I can't stand him as he's basically a shoto killer and that ex move is poo.
Co-sign.
This means if we're on track to at least match USFIV in terms of newcomers by the end of Season 5. Even if we get, say, 2 newcomers in Season 3, we would already match USFIV's newcomer count.
lucebuce12
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You play a character that has throw loops, a comboable overhead, a Heavy Tatsu that's -2 oB in V-Trigger and the ability to cancel a DP into V-Trigger.
I don't care what you think is honest.
Spamming lp? What kind of problem is that?
Sweep that doesn't give you anything from a safeish range is a problem?
Also EX Bullhorn is honest. V-trigger EX Bullhead is dumb as hell for sure though.
lucebuce12
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He's only honest by comparison.
The purest, most honest character is Ryu. And we know how great he is in this game!
Karsticles
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There's nothing honest about unblockables and invincible attacks.
Omnistalgic
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i also play Ryu tho ;-)
And what is DP into trigger mean? How is that cheap? They aren't invincible anymore?
Omnistalgic
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the range on his jab is ridiculous and it's crazy safe. And you get a KD from deep lol, that's pretty good for basically a safe move, what are you even defending here mate lol. I didn't say he's a dumb character that requires no skill to play, just that even he has derp.
lucebuce12
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All right, I'll give you the DP into V-Trigger. But everything else is valid.
Etrian Oddity
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What if S3 gave us Hugo with several tools that make him a 720 grappler that is a bad matchup for Abigail?
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Omnistalgic
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Fair enough...at least OH can be punished now if it's close though...
I would have kept it -2 ☺️
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Shadoken
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The one thing that bugs me about Birdie is that SOME characters can punish EX Bull w/e and some cant. Like just why?
Either make it -2 and make it safe against everyone , or make it something like -8. But no its -5 and only those special characters with long reach 5f moves can punish it.
Either make it -2 and make it safe against everyone , or make it something like -8. But no its -5 and only those special characters with long reach 5f moves can punish it.
lucebuce12
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Though tbh, a truly honest character with 0 bullshit or derp sounds like it could get frustrating and old real fast. The only exception to this if it was in a game where EVERY character is like that.
It's part of what makes a character feel fun, doing moves where there's less risk than with other characters, doing moves that no other character has access to etc. It's when you don't balance the bullshit with the honesty properly that it starts to become a problem (Necalli).
EDIT: FUCK, every single time I talk about the balancing in this game I get so frustrated because there is so much stuff that makes 0 sense. This game really was balanced by school children like Bonchan said.
It's part of what makes a character feel fun, doing moves where there's less risk than with other characters, doing moves that no other character has access to etc. It's when you don't balance the bullshit with the honesty properly that it starts to become a problem (Necalli).
A much better solution IMO would be to just give it frame 4 or 5 armour instead of frame 1 which makes absolutely no sense still when you consider Bullhorn in V-Trigger has frame 1 armour, and EX Bullhorn has TWO hits of armour for almost the entirety of the move from frame 1. You have no freaking reason to do bullhorn (Unless to get through a meaty projectile?) and absolutely no reason to do EX bullhorn when you can just EX bullhead instead.
EDIT: FUCK, every single time I talk about the balancing in this game I get so frustrated because there is so much stuff that makes 0 sense. This game really was balanced by school children like Bonchan said.
Necalli got that one on sale.
Karsticles
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I want Necro.
As a potentially former Kolin main I'm not sure if she is honest. But I'll take any buffs that come her way due to perceived low tier position for her
Also she is thicc and that's good enough
Omnistalgic
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yeah, I think the cast is mostly fine. Slight nerfs to Rog damage, maybe Necali trigger can be adjusted (honestly I think he doesn't need a command grab) and I dunno...I can't think of a character that just kills you.
Like Laura is crazy once she gets going, but I think a universal defense option could make that match more balanced, I don't want anyone's kit really nerfed anymore, just buff.
lucebuce12
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I don't think a universal defensive option is gonna matter much when you get hit by level 7 or above TAP.
Etrian Oddity
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I blame Woshige.
Omnistalgic
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Remember we're talking about SFV here, where you can lose the round off two wrong guesses lol, regardless of character type.As a potentially former Kolin main I'm not sure if she is honest. But I'll take any buffs that come her way due to perceived low tier position for her
Also she is thicc and that's good enough
Ken corner carry is crazy, makes you guess with Throw loop
Gief couple SPD and your done
Laura, thinks she's gonna grab you but nope, just kills ya lol
Balrog, one TAP and that's a wrap!
Urien get into my blender!
Ibuki hold left or right on the way down and pray!
Etc...
So much of Kolin stuff you can run away from and her reversal is a hard read! She's ok in my book
ColonialHawk
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P L A T I N U M B O Y Z
lucebuce12
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So now that we've gotten 4 characters for S2, have there been any new trends?
Like with the S1 cast we saw that they all had reversals which were NOT invincible for the meterless versions, only on the metered. Has a similar trend been discovered?
The only one that I can think of is that Kolin is the only character who can't cancel her sweep into V-Trigger if it's blocked.
Like with the S1 cast we saw that they all had reversals which were NOT invincible for the meterless versions, only on the metered. Has a similar trend been discovered?
The only one that I can think of is that Kolin is the only character who can't cancel her sweep into V-Trigger if it's blocked.
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