Naw using King to offset the derp. May have to toss him aside if he doesn't start doing something. Having two characters with low mobility isn't so hot.
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Naw using King to offset the derp. May have to toss him aside if he doesn't start doing something. Having two characters with low mobility isn't so hot.
Chittagong
Gold Member
So here's my story on how the immensely steep learning curve of SFxT (and supposedly any modern Street Fighter) really dawned on me.
It happened while attempting Ryu challenge 13. It's a combo where you have to go from cr LP to Shoryuken in the end.
Since the end bit is the hardest I started to practice it. The Shoryuken just kept on being blocked after my LP. So I did some googling, and learned about the mechanic of cancelling. That during the very first frames after the hit you'll have to hit again or the enemy is able to block. So I tired this with two LPs. Pew, pow. Too slow. Pew, pew. Fast enough. So now I would have to attempt the same, just instead tapping the button, I have to squeeze and entire Shoryuken into the split second after the LP.
So this got me into understanding what people are talking about when they mention frames, that it's the window of attacking again. All this stuff is alien to me as a casual SF2 player from Super NES, then we just went by our reflexes and mashed special moves.
Eventually I was able to execute the cr LP to Shoryuken combo sporadically, not yet with great consistency. It's just too fast.
I shudder thinking how hard things will get after this, not to speak of about integrating this stuff to my gameplay somehow. I guess I have to start to understand more than memorize?
It happened while attempting Ryu challenge 13. It's a combo where you have to go from cr LP to Shoryuken in the end.
Since the end bit is the hardest I started to practice it. The Shoryuken just kept on being blocked after my LP. So I did some googling, and learned about the mechanic of cancelling. That during the very first frames after the hit you'll have to hit again or the enemy is able to block. So I tired this with two LPs. Pew, pow. Too slow. Pew, pew. Fast enough. So now I would have to attempt the same, just instead tapping the button, I have to squeeze and entire Shoryuken into the split second after the LP.
So this got me into understanding what people are talking about when they mention frames, that it's the window of attacking again. All this stuff is alien to me as a casual SF2 player from Super NES, then we just went by our reflexes and mashed special moves.
Eventually I was able to execute the cr LP to Shoryuken combo sporadically, not yet with great consistency. It's just too fast.
I shudder thinking how hard things will get after this, not to speak of about integrating this stuff to my gameplay somehow. I guess I have to start to understand more than memorize?
You never knew about cancelling? This your first fighting game?
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
It's ok, I find shotos besides sakura *who isnt really a shoto* hard to use myself. Now that's derp
I just dropped King for Julia. After a tag cancel knee loop I just get exposed so bad with him. No idea how he's supposed to play.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
Not surprised after someone found the restand glitch. And it's not infinite, game doesn't let you combo past 101 or something.
Mr Touchdown
Member
This is the first time I will ever attempt to learn an infinite. Patch incoming though XD
Chittagong
Gold Member
First modern fighting game it seems - or at least first time I need to learn conceptually and technically how they work. I mean, I have played Tekken Tag Tournament and SFIV casually, just basic special moves and blocking, and common sense timing. It wasn't until I took SFxT online and had my ass handed to me big time that I noticed that I am really missing something theoretically. Hence the challenge mode training.
I really need to read the basics of modern fighting games somewhere to understand all this stuff.
GhostRidah
Member
Now lets see how many people pick up Kazuya lol fuuu
i hope they patch it but not this month, i got to pull this shit online at least once.
Teknopathetic
Member
"Now lets see how many people pick up Kazuya lol fuuu"
And proceed to lose anyway. And then drop him once it gets inevitably patched.
And proceed to lose anyway. And then drop him once it gets inevitably patched.
Wow, I can't wait to see someone use this in a major! :lol
I'd suggest picking up the Bradygames guide, it goes into a nice amount of depth of the stuff competitive players think about and has a nice glossary of terms too.
He's not talking about canceling.
To clarify:
There are cancels and links. A cancel is when you do a move, then input another move before the first move is done, and the 2nd move cancels the "recovery" animation of the first move, and just goes straight into the animation for the 2nd move.
A link is where you input the 2nd move right after the recovery animation of the first move finishes, so that none of the animation for the first move is excised.
To combo a cr.lp into a shoryuken, you need to do a link. Trying to cancel it by inputing the entire shoryuken command before the animation is over won't work.
You can however buffer the directional input. A buffer is where you do the directionals for a 2nd move during the first moves animation. So you can buffer the directionals with your stick or pad, but the timing of the actual button press (in this case a punch button because you're doing a shoryuken) will have to be directly after the recovery of the cr.lp.
Dark Ninja
Member
Well i broke down and got this. I hope they don't release a super version anytime soon.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
I should be pleased with this new realty but it kinda just makes me sad and annoyed.
A little Off Topic but.... Bronson gives his opinion over what happened at Cross Assault:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it_CpVHTsRM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it_CpVHTsRM
What is a cancel? cr.lp into shoryuken? No, it's a link.
It's buffering in that scenario, because it's actually impossible to cancel lp into shoryuken. But changing the timing of the dp motion to be during the recovery frames and then hitting the punch button right as the recovery frames end will "link" the combo.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
lol, yeah it does dude. You can either cancel or link that combo. They both work.
The guy made 865 damage with that thing. The combo limit is good for nothing.
Ya thought so, don't know what you people are smoking.
lp->shoryuken is cancellable. The only time it isn't is if the LP is part of a chain.
I'm in training mode right now. Cr.lp does not cancel into srk. It didn't in SF4 and it doesn't here. I have to pause in order to get an SRK to come out or else it will never, ever come out. It's a link. Go try it.
Or I can scan this brady guide that says LP is cancelable. As well as years and years of playing SF to know it is. And yes it does in SF4 too. You're smoking crack.
And no you don't. You have to link the LPs, not necessarily the shoryuken. I guess you can if you feel like doing it the hard way.
I agree with you on that.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
You have to do the cancel pretty fast since lp is a pretty short attack that doesn't have a ton of frames, and thus, doesn't have a ton of cancelable frames. They both work. In that particular trial combo, linking it is probably easier though.
ihearthawthats
Banned
trying doing the following input: downfoward+lp, down, downfoward+lp/mp/hp.
also, screw infinites and screw the people who are happy that they exist in this game.
I dunno then, I remember there being something really wonky with lp -> shoryuken. My friend and I were trying the other night and we couldn't do it unless we linked it. Maybe we were just too slow.
Yeah, it is for me and I primarily play online. I've done XBL and PSN now. Both are pretty playable. The sound issues are annoying but they aren't enough to make me not play the game.
Yeah, it is for me and I primarily play online. I've done XBL and PSN now. Both are pretty playable. The sound issues are annoying but they aren't enough to make me not play the game.
mr stroke
Member
Still on the fence on this game cause of the bunked online. For someone who will only play online is the game playable in its current state?
He's the man, you're just a hater!
With the way hit stun works you have to alter your time for throws, that goes for everyone. As for ranges, you have to be kissing them for medium/heavy TT's but light and ex have a little range to them. They changed his normals around a little bit. His step kick doesn't have the range it used to, but his cr mp is a really good poke now that really helps him out in the footsie battle. I think he's really good personally, should give him a try.
I"m in alaska, and on PSN it's fine other than the annoying as hell sound.
Whoops, I'm wrong. It can be canceled. I should probably hold my stick on my lap when testing stuff =P.
It seems like there's this medium range where it won't come out. It either has to be linked or canceled REALLY fast. There's an input speed where it simply won't come out for me.
It seems like there's this medium range where it won't come out. It either has to be linked or canceled REALLY fast. There's an input speed where it simply won't come out for me.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Thanks for taking the time for the explanations, it really helps. Indeed it seems I need to do the Shoryuken motion immediately after hitting the first LP so that I can finish the Shoryuken by pressing LP again before the narrow few frame window closes. I did not realize such accuracy was within the bounds of human perception and hand coordination, so I was stunned to notice I could do it quite a few times, even if not consistently yet.
What a great learning challenge. I'll start to put a few hours a day to training mode and start to sharpen my skills. Guide sounds good if it introduces the very basics - wonder if I can get a digital version for ipad.
BTW - learned I can do Shoryuken by pressing down-fwd twice then LP, instead of the Z movement. It's still not easy though for me yet to time it after the LP
LowParry
Member
Online is great. Better than SF4's online. Only issue is the sound glitch.
Don't buy it from Brady though, get it on Amazon for cheaper.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0744013801/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0744013801/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I'm with you, man. I play most fighting game releases as they come out, but I never do more than basic moves and a few specials. There's a point (usually at about 15-20 hours) where I realize I've hit a brick wall in my skills. And it always comes down to figuring out what the hell to do next and in what situation. Timing combos/cancels just right seems to take so much practice that I usually give up and just move onto the next game. That's why I really got into BlazBlue for a while (much easier to pull off combos), but then that game also got seriously crazy after a certain point. And MvC3 never appealed to me because too many characters just seemed "same-y."
Anyhow, long way to say, I enjoy what SFxT is trying to do, but I'm running into the same barriers as always. I understand the basics, but learning the timings and distancings and executions for everything gets to be a bit much.
I'd love to know what others have done to push past this point in learning the genre. What helped. What "breakthroughs" happened in playing. Etc. Because I love the genre, but I get so frustrated every time I get to the point where I need to learn/memorize elaborate timings and combinations.
How do I progress without driving myself nuts? Part of me feels like I'm just too old to learn now (36), but another part of me just keeps getting drawn to the genre over and over again despite my frustrations.
While doing the trials for SFxT, this is the first time I've intuitively figured out what a "buffer" is. I couldn't nail some of the combo inputs until I discovered that you could pre-load the next stick movement while doing the prior move. It made such a huge difference! Slowly figuring this stuff out.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Vegabuki is looking smooth right about now ^_^
Thanks for taking the time for the explanations, it really helps. Indeed it seems I need to do the Shoryuken motion immediately after hitting the first LP so that I can finish the Shoryuken by pressing LP again before the narrow few frame window closes. I did not realize such accuracy was within the bounds of human perception and hand coordination, so I was stunned to notice I could do it quite a few times, even if not consistently yet.
What a great learning challenge. I'll start to put a few hours a day to training mode and start to sharpen my skills. Guide sounds good if it introduces the very basics - wonder if I can get a digital version for ipad.
BTW - learned I can do Shoryuken by pressing down-fwd twice then LP, instead of the Z movement. It's still not easy though for me yet to time it after the LP
I started playing AE less than a year ago and I remember saying things very similar to what you are about how hard it is to learn this game and I just have a couple pieces of advice:
Try and find pleasure in doing simple combos, or just executing things correctly. Then find something you have fun practicing, and practice it for a long time. Do shoryuken with the z motion 10 times on player 1 side, then switch to player 2 side and do it 10 more times, etc.
And if this is possible, try to find someone who's as new as you are, and learn with them. Grind games out against them. I know when I started it was really nerve-wracking for me to fight random people online. I could just never do the things I practiced against them properly. Having someone you're comfortable playing with to just grind games out with you can be really beneficial.
And lastly, if you have questions, ask them. It's important to try and understand this game on a technical level (this isn't necessary, but it's helpful) once you've got the basics down. But also, people tend to use a lot of weird terminology, and being confused by that isn't fun. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions and I'll do my best to answer, I'm sure that goes for others here on GAF as well.
AnkiRendan
Member
This is exactly how I'm feeling. I'm so glad I've found people with such a similar mindset, haha.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Vega is super retarded in this game. Same goes for Ibuki and Juri.
I think juri might drop a tiny bit, but ibuki and vega are gonna stay up topOkay seriously, I can do a super fast cancel (like canceling during active frames) of lp xx srk or I can do a link, but somewhere in the middle (I think maybe during recovery frames) I can't get it to cancel....ever. It's like recovery frames are eating the inputs or something?? Anyone else care to try this out really quick in training mode, slowly modulating your input speed from an incredibly fast cancel down to a link.
At a certain medium speed, even with proper inputs (inputs turned on), srk doesn't come out. I feel like it's not just me being crazy because the guy above said the same thing, and I was having trouble with lk > lp xx srk in SF4 a long time ago until RiceEater told me to do it was a link, which is why I was certain it was a link in SF4 too.
At a certain medium speed, even with proper inputs (inputs turned on), srk doesn't come out. I feel like it's not just me being crazy because the guy above said the same thing, and I was having trouble with lk > lp xx srk in SF4 a long time ago until RiceEater told me to do it was a link, which is why I was certain it was a link in SF4 too.
Chittagong
Gold Member
thanks, really appreciate it. Timedog and Ferrio too, thanks again for the pointers. Amazing to find a genre with such depth I haven't yet appreciated.
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