biosnake20
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Look at ogres jab jab chain plus frames
Also why does he have 1000 health? I thought they would make it 850 like akuma.
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Also why does he have 1000 health? I thought they would make it 850 like akuma.
Flying Wonkey
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Look at ogres jab jab chain plus frames
Welp I've got my first character set in stone when PC version hits ahahahahahahah.
In SF4 it's 5: http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Super_Street_Fighter_IV/Universal_Abilities/Reversals_Meaty_Attacks
In this game I don't really mind the reversal window. In SF4 I think it should be 2-3 frames.
Teknopathetic
Member
"I just look back on the PSN chat logs lol"
Oh that, haha.
Oh that, haha.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
He has high health because he's non shitty Q
Busted LOLOL
Oh gee where ever could of all that frame data have come from xD
SF4 has 4 frame reversal windows iirc. If that went up to 6 or even 13 frames then that would be something else.
Also wow Tekken character sure love these + frames on block/hit for their jabs.
Ogre's jab is +2 on block and Paul has +5? Wheeeeee
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApPlWhz-bEuHdDM2blEydzhDY1BJOC1Qdm9mZ09yRlE#gid=73
This will be fun.
WHOA, IS THERE A LINK LIKE THIS FOR EVERY CHARACTER SO I DON'T HAVE TO BUY THE GUIDE?
LowParry
Member
Flying Wonkey
Member
There's tabs on the bottom which lets you select each character. Although it's just frame data + some notes, I'd imagine the guide would still be worth it for all the details, strats combos etc it has.
SUPARSTARX
Member
That's ripped out of the guide with some fresh updates because the guide had plenty of misprints. Other than basic beginner tips and strategy, you're basically paying for color paper and frame data.
SephirothRK
Member
Who's managing the spreadsheet? Are those more accurate data or just copy/paste from guide?
EDIT: ^ Thank you.
EDIT: ^ Thank you.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
idk it still says julia's super is 1 frame
SUPARSTARX
Member
I think gilley is doing it. I'm not 100%.
I find strats and combos in guides to be useless for me personally after a few days with a character. I'm mostly just interested in frame data, and stuff about how the fighting engine works.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I use it to absorb frame data into my body while im on the pot
OOOOOHHHHH, that's a good idea, actually. I mostly just worried about fucking DLC characters not being in there.
chriskun
Member
As far as links go, you just need to hit the second input as soon as the animation for the first move ends. It takes a certain rhythm, also watching this might help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acuTIlxcjz0
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
They are not in there
"God's Beard!"
Member
Whoa, you can link a jab after Vega's overhead or rolling crystal flash H.
edit: Crouch fierce is 4 frames???
edit: Crouch fierce is 4 frames???
yep also cr.lp, cr.mp and cr.lk have a start up of 4 frames
Tizoc
Member
Isn't linking after Claw's HP Rolling like a 1-frame link?
Guide is still informative.
Gash! I can't do Kazuya's trial 19. I can't do the cr.hp -> mist step by themselves, much less in the combo.
Is it a cancel or a link? It looks like a cancel by the once in every blue moon I do it outside the combo, but I input the fastest I can and doesn't work. All kinds of small delays don't work either. Argh. So frustrated.
Is it a cancel or a link? It looks like a cancel by the once in every blue moon I do it outside the combo, but I input the fastest I can and doesn't work. All kinds of small delays don't work either. Argh. So frustrated.
ShadowNinja64
Neo Member
It's a cancel. The problem you're likely having is starting the motion for the Mist Step far too late. You need to be ending the motion when the c.HP connects. If you want a visual reference, here's a link to Trial 19 as performed by VesperArcade: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bhky5Tr-81A#t=88s
I have no clue on how Mist Step is supposed to work but what I did was:
For regular Mist Step + EX Uppercut: Tap forward, then do the qcf motion + PP.
As for cr. HP xx Mist Step: Hold down front while doing cr. HP, do the same cancel you did with regular Mist Step.
EDIT: Just checked VesperArcade's video. You can do qcfx2, HOW DID I NOT THINK OF THAT.
chriskun
Member
As soon as you hit c. Hp you need to do the mist step. I did it buy doing an exaggerated dp motion basically. As soon as you hit forward take the stick all the way to back before you hit the down diagonal.
Thanks for the advice guys! Just did it!
Honorable mention to this one. Holding down front while doing the cr.HP did the trick.
Edit: aaaand, trial 20 also done. That one was easy.
Honorable mention to this one.
Holding down front while doing the cr.HP did the trick.Edit: aaaand, trial 20 also done. That one was easy.
SF4 has 4 frame reversal windows iirc. If that went up to 6 or even 13 frames then that would be something else.
Also wow Tekken character sure love these + frames on block/hit for their jabs.
Ogre's jab is +2 on block and Paul has +5? Wheeeeee
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApPlWhz-bEuHdDM2blEydzhDY1BJOC1Qdm9mZ09yRlE#gid=73
This will be fun.
The reversal window is smaller. You can just tell. If the window was as large as the one in SF4, Julia's 1/2 frame super would be crazy powerful. It already is.
And I just picked up the guide and noticed Paul's standing jab had so many plus frames. I should really try to abuse that.
Finally getting a bit better with King without relying on launchers.
But playing against button mashers is very frustrating with King. He has a lot of mix-ups, but there's always a few frames for a kazuya mashcombo or an ex-shoryuken.
And the DDT after a konvict kick sometimes feels so random :S
He's be an awesome character if he had some useful pokes (and his shoulder tackle is way to hard on a fightpad )
But playing against button mashers is very frustrating with King. He has a lot of mix-ups, but there's always a few frames for a kazuya mashcombo or an ex-shoryuken.
And the DDT after a konvict kick sometimes feels so random :S
He's be an awesome character if he had some useful pokes (and his shoulder tackle is way to hard on a fightpad
)Rice-Eater
Member
Man I love Kazuya, he's the first Tekken character that I'm putting a lot of time into and it's working out so far as I haven't given up yet. I really like the fact that he has hit confirms with probably like 5 different combo enders. They all do about the same damage but it's fun to say to myself "I think I'll do this one this time". I haven't even taken him online let alone use him against anyone yet. I'm trying to get the muscle memory down first as he's sort of a big change from the character that I've come from in the SF universe. I've been skeptical for a while but I'm actually starting to have some fun now that I've putting together my first team.
Playing Kazuya does make me wish Capcom had this character or someone like him in SF4. It'd be nice to have such a unorthodox character in that game that I could play as a stand alone character.
Playing Kazuya does make me wish Capcom had this character or someone like him in SF4. It'd be nice to have such a unorthodox character in that game that I could play as a stand alone character.
LowParry
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If you like Kaz, try out Heihachi while you're at it. He's a pretty mean character as well.
Not really the same. Heihachi is so braindead compared to Jin or Kazuya, it is not even funny.
BotoxAgent
Member
been doing Steve and Hwoarang....one puncher, one kicker, lol.
But man, I am getting my ass kicked even by crappy shoto players. This team feels so weird.
But man, I am getting my ass kicked even by crappy shoto players. This team feels so weird.
Rice-Eater
Member
So pretty much Heihachi is the Mishima equivalent of Ryu from the Shoto's(at least in this version of the game)?
EDIT: WTF, Kaz's mist step into Dragon Uppercut is completely safe? I can't punish it at all with Ryu, not DP, not jab, not Super or anything else I can think of. Man I am spamming that move if this is infact true.
LowParry
Member
It might be unsafe against lows. Or a launcher timed well.
LunaticHigh
Member
I've been thinking of a way to try and improve the tutorial system in fighting games. I recall playing games stepmania and other timing based games where you could enable different types of cues for when to make actions. There was this interesting feature called "clap" that would make a clapping sound when you were supposed to hit the key for the best possible score on that particular key press.
This was extremely helpful for learning and training since you would begin to anticipate the sound before it actually came, and actually got better at playing even though it really made little difference to what you were doing.
I would love to see something similar implemented into training modes for fighting games. A system where the character would glow a certain color for each particular state (startup, recovery, hitstun etc) that would help players learn the timings on links better. Toss in a mode with some simple link combos with clapping or audio cues for when you're supposed to hit the next button and I bet you'd have a pretty robust training mode.
I do believe however that a lot of people would not be happy if such a mode existed since it would make the learning process a little easier.
Do you guys think that would ruin the game?
This was extremely helpful for learning and training since you would begin to anticipate the sound before it actually came, and actually got better at playing even though it really made little difference to what you were doing.
I would love to see something similar implemented into training modes for fighting games. A system where the character would glow a certain color for each particular state (startup, recovery, hitstun etc) that would help players learn the timings on links better. Toss in a mode with some simple link combos with clapping or audio cues for when you're supposed to hit the next button and I bet you'd have a pretty robust training mode.
I do believe however that a lot of people would not be happy if such a mode existed since it would make the learning process a little easier.
Do you guys think that would ruin the game?
Rice-Eater
Member
I should have worded myself better, I meant only on block.
-1 on block, no wonder I couldn't punish it, good to know. Is there a site or thread somewhere where people are collecting frame data?
Rice-Eater
Member
I'd say that Heihachi is the..Balrog of SFIV.
Balrog on MORE steroids, with a counter. Or the Makoto.
Jin is the Ryu equivalent, only more complex (mist step and the stance says hi), and Kazuya is the Ken equivalent (again, with more complexity)
I was only referring to the shoto's in SFxT. Akuma and Ken from my experience seem kind of complex to play. Akuma was never easy to play in SF4, but Ken was easy for the most part, Ryu was in between in SF4. But in SFxT, Ryu is braindead easy to play. Easy hit confirms into links into EX donkey kick or launcher. Links themselves are extremely easy, they all feel like 2-3 framers to me. Fireball cancels can be tricky, LK donkey kick if spaced well can be hard to punish and be used as a pressure tool. And who needs DP, when you can do cr. HP>sweep(or cr. MK>tatsu) for more damage lol.
LowParry
Member
I'd say that Heihachi is the..Balrog of SFIV.
Balrog on MORE steroids, with a counter. Or the Makoto.
Jin is the Ryu equivalent, only more complex (mist step and the stance says hi), and Kazuya is the Ken equivalent (again, with more complexity)
I'd argue that Rolento or Hugo is the Ken equivalent if we're talking in terms of use online and flowchart territory. If not, agreed.
I believe it leaves you -1, but you can still be command grabbed or regular thrown if you just do it point blank, but jabs/srks won't pose any threat.
Kazuya is easily my best character. I've got it all down pat with him in turns of keep pressure, mist stepping if they block something like cr jab cr jab cr mk so that i can be right back in their face. I have 3 power gems on him, so if he touches you with meter it's usually 500-700 damage.
There is a best option for enders when you mentioned it earlier. The best ender is generally mist step kick variant into punch follow up. Does 170 if i remember right.
So a good long confirm combo if you get a jump HK blocked is the LK LP mk MP HP ex hook, cr HP, mist step, leg, fist. Kazuya definitely benefits from meter, so having him as the 2ndary is most advised. Abuse his back + HK on people who like to roll since it's an overhead, reaches far, and doesn't look like one at all.
The most damage I've done with him when gems are up is jump Hk, crouch HP, Shook, crouch Hp, ex hook, crouch Hp, super. Broke 700 some. Forget if it was corner only or not though.
The ewgf version is completely safe, pushes the opponent back, and launches closer to you for better juggles.
I'm glad they kept the both versions.