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[EviLore]

Same thing I told one of the pro fighters I train with after he lost a fight he could've won: don't approach the positional aspect of MMA indifferently. He had significantly better BJJ than his opponent, and they were comparable standing, but instead of attacking with his ground game he didn't try a single takedown and tied his opponent up in closed guard when he was taken down (to get it stood back up) instead of attacking with subs and sweeps, and ended up losing the fight, waiting for an opportunity in the striking that never came.

We were in awe of Fedor hanging out in Nog's guard for an hour and standing with strikers, but that is really a horrid strategy when you're well-rounded and dangerous from every position. Play the percentages. If you have the abililty to, go where the difference in skill is the most favorable for you. Don't jump into the guard of a BJJ master. Don't stand with elite strikers. That's the whole damn point of being well-rounded in MMA. There will always be a specialist who can do his thing better than you when you have a broad skillset.

 

[polyh3dron]

Same thing I told one of the pro fighters I train with after he lost a fight he could've won: don't approach the positional aspect of MMA indifferently. He had significantly better BJJ than his opponent, and they were comparable standing, but instead of attacking with his ground game he didn't try a single takedown and tied his opponent up in closed guard when he was taken down (to get it stood back up) instead of attacking with subs and sweeps, and ended up losing the fight, waiting for an opportunity in the striking that never came.

We were in awe of Fedor hanging out in Nog's guard for an hour and standing with strikers, but that is really a horrid strategy when you're well-rounded and dangerous from every position. Play the percentages. If you have the abililty to, go where the difference in skill is the most favorable for you. Don't jump into the guard of a BJJ master. Don't stand with elite strikers. That's the whole damn point of being well-rounded in MMA. There will always be a specialist who can do his thing better than you when you have a broad skillset.

This is the difference between Fedor and fighters like GSP and Rashad Evans. Fedor loves to attack an opponent where they are strongest and dominate them and that's why he has such a rabid fanbase. He's an exciting fighter and it has worked for him until now.

Oh and yacobod, I fucking called it.

 

[Plywood]

It's also hilarious that he wants to rush into a rematch. Under what grounds does a first minute submission warrant a rematch? He'll probably lose again anyway.

If Rogers could get a title shot after getting beat by Fedor, Fedor could get a rematch IMO.

edit: OT, but polyh3dron who is that in your avatar?

 

[Ikuu]

I still can't believe that Fedor jumped into the guard of a world class BJJ'er a minute into the fight while they were still dry.

 

[polyh3dron]

edit: OT, but polyh3dron who is that in your avatar?

DREAM Lightweight Champion Shinya Aoki celebrating his devastating victory over Sengoku Lightweight Champion Mizuto Hirota at Dynamite!! 2009 on New Years Eve

 

[Pimpwerx]

I'm a huge GSP fan, but losing to Matt Serra is several magnitudes worse then losing to Werdum.

Context helps. Anyone can catch a shot. Matt just caught GSP and rung his bell. Since then, GSP has welcomed any and all challengers, and has beat all of them. I'd say the same for Silva, but I guess we're deducting points for being a complete jackass.

Fedor hasn't faced the best heavies in that timeframe. He lost to someone that looked like a tomato can before the fight. He lost in a rather lame manner too. If he now picks up his skirt and decides he's gonna go kick ass in the UFC, his P4P stock will go right back up. PEACE.

 

[Plywood]

DREAM Lightweight Champion Shinya Aoki celebrating his devastating victory over Sengoku Lightweight Champion Mizuto Hirota at Dynamite!! 2009 on New Years Eve

Oh shit. D:

GSP should've done that to Dan Hardy. >_>

Then again I don't think he's the kind to go around breaking people's arms.

 

[polyh3dron]

I still can't believe that Fedor jumped into the guard of a world class BJJ'er a minute into the fight while they were still dry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDyAs7BW3A4

 

[polyh3dron]

Oh shit. D:

GSP should've done that to Dan Hardy. >_>

Then again I don't think he's the kind to go around breaking people's arms.

Yeah you should start watching Japanese MMA if you have HDNet (or on a stream if you don't). Aoki will be fighting top contender Tatsuya Kawajiri for the DREAM LW title on a stacked card at DREAM.15 on July 9th at Midnight PT

 

[Plywood]

Yeah you should start watching Japanese MMA if you have HDNet (or on a stream if you don't). Aoki will be fighting top contender Tatsuya Kawajiri for the DREAM LW title on a stacked card at DREAM.15 on July 9th at Midnight PT

I'll be sure to check it out. Definitely interested after seeing that.

 

[polyh3dron]

I'll be sure to check it out. Definitely interested after seeing that.

I'll probably make up the thread here for it with some background info on the matchups and all that jazz.

 

[Eggo]

Context helps. Anyone can catch a shot. Matt just caught GSP and rung his bell. Since then, GSP has welcomed any and all challengers, and has beat all of them. I'd say the same for Silva, but I guess we're deducting points for being a complete jackass.

Fedor hasn't faced the best heavies in that timeframe. He lost to someone that looked like a tomato can before the fight. He lost in a rather lame manner too. If he now picks up his skirt and decides he's gonna go kick ass in the UFC, his P4P stock will go right back up. PEACE.

Werdum is hardly a can. He's probably not top 10 in heavyweight, but he has always been dangerous. Losing to JDS is nothing to be ashamed about.

 

[Plywood]

I'll probably make up the thread here for it with some background info on the matchups and all that jazz.

Sweet, I look forward to that.

 

[polyh3dron]

Werdum is hardly a can. He's probably not top 10 in heavyweight, but he has always been dangerous. Losing to JDS is nothing to be ashamed about.

I believe Pimp is referring to Werdum's fight with Bigfoot, he didn't look all that great in it even though he won. He said Werdum looked like a tomato can in his last fight.

 

[polyh3dron]

oh one last post:

:lol

 

[Brian Fellows]

Strikeforce shows are so painful to watch. Gus Johnson is horrid and Frank Shamrock is even worse. Mauro might actually be the best of the 3.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

Amazing. That was just bad strategy by Fedor, he bum rushed a real BJJ fighter when he could have picked him apart. I'm dumbstruck, but that's why I watch MMA.

I think people who hate Strikeforce events are foolish. I'm sick of the dudebro/gladiator approach of the UFC, though I love the fighter roster and like Rogan. The announcers of SForce are gawdawful, but the presentation, camera work (slow mo replays and angles) and sound (I worked a long time in a studio I can't help it) are steps above normal. For every dud, they have an event that is better than most anything I watch, like this. Long live diversity.

I wonder if Fedor will retire? I wanted him to go out after fighting Overeem. But no one is unbeatable. UFC? Fine by me.

I don't know why anyone would fight Cyborg, she is scary as hell. I think that fight should have been stopped much earlier.

Cung Le looked great, Thompson ground battle was great.

Really good event.

 

[3kuSaS]

I believe Pimp is referring to Werdum's fight with Bigfoot, he didn't look all that great in it even though he won. He said Werdum looked like a tomato can in his last fight.

Yeah well I guess Carwin didnt look great against Gonzaga, JDS didnt look that great against Cro Cop until like midway through the 2nd...CC actually won the first. Im so sick of these bullshit fans saying "x-fighter looked like a can" just because he was in a tough fight. People are only satisfied if a guy gets steamrolled in one round it seems.

 

[Nameless]

Silva is the king of MMA even if he dances around like a dumbass.

Thank you for correcting him in my stead. I like GSP but he's not the #p4p until Silva loses--by his hands or otherwise.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I'm a huge GSP fan, but losing to Matt Serra is several magnitudes worse then losing to Werdum.

That was years ago when GSP was a younger and more tentative fighter. He got his Serra rematch and ended it the way the first fight should have ended. Now he's like a God in the cage. He's talked a lot about how since that loss he has started training with a mental coach and he now appreciates how important the mental game is to fighting. If you're afraid to fight a dude in a cage, you're going to get beat, but GSP walks in and fights now like he owns it.

 

[Shaheed79]

So Bruce Willis finally lost. Big Nog won I don't know how many fights the same way yet no one claimed those were illegitimate wins and warranted rematches. If Fabricio had beat anyone else like that no one would be complaining but since it was Bruce Willis it was apparently a fluke and undeserved.

I call it Karma back towards M1-Global. To be the best you have to beat the best and Bruce hasn't fought the best in a while.

 

[AstroLad]

i agree about screw m-1 but the guy had never lost that has to count for something. would werdum really have any reason to be terrified of a rematch anyway? kind of a lose-lose for him b/c if he wins everyone will say fedor's washed up and if he loses they'll just say fluke but as much as i dislike m-1 i wouldn't mind a rematch. or have werdum fight for the belt and fedor fight the winner, though that makes far too much sense to actually happen.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Strikeforce payouts

Fabricio Werdum: $100,000
def. Fedor Emelianenko: $400,000

Cung Le: $100,000
def. Scott Smith: $55,000

Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos: $35,000 (includes $15,000 win bonus and $5,000 champion bonus)
def. Jan Finney: $6,000

Josh Thomson: $60,000
def. Pat Healy: $8,000

Chris Cope: $3,000 ($1,000 win bonus)
def. Ron Keslar: $1,500

Bret Bergmark: $3,000 ($1,500 win bonus)
def. Vagner Rocha: $2,500

Yancey Medeiros: $8,000 ($4,000 win bonus)
def. Gareth Joseph: $2,000

Bobby Stack: $2,800 ($1,500 win bonus)
def. Derrick Burnsed: $2,000

http://mmajunkie.com/news/19724/str...-fighter-salaries-fedor-tops-789k-payroll.mma

 

[AstroLad]

I don't know why anyone would fight Cyborg, she is scary as hell. I think that fight should have been stopped much earlier.

I agree on this. It's really ugly to watch. Like some of the matchups from back in the early days of the UFC. And I don't mean that in a good way.

 

[NomarTyme]

I can't believe she gets pay that much with such little competition.

 

[rvy]

Meh, Fedor is still the motherfucking man.

 

[yacobod]

That was years ago when GSP was a younger and more tentative fighter.

i dont know about that, gsp was far more aggressive and exciting to watch prior to getting KOd by serra, dude shoots for takedowns like 10 seconds into rounds now

i cant wait for the 25 min wrestling match with kos

 

[Haunted]

The EA MMA marketing department must be shitting bricks right about now.

DREAM Lightweight Champion Shinya Aoki celebrating his devastating victory over Sengoku Lightweight Champion Mizuto Hirota at Dynamite!! 2009 on New Years Eve

Did he just do what I think he did?

ouch

 

[Sinatar]

 

[Fuzzery]

I just hope this makes fedor train super hard and get really serious about fighting again

 

[Daigoro]

well. that was an... interesting night of fights. :lol

 

[alienxx45]

The EA MMA marketing department must be shitting bricks right about now.

If couture loses to toney because of it....i'm not buying the game.

 

[VariantX04]

:lol

 

[rvy]

I just hope this makes fedor train super hard and get really serious about fighting again

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