Actual poor people get everything free in the U.S.
Free healthcare, free child care, free food, free housing, free college, ect. Its the middle class that gets screwed over.
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Study: Patients 45% more likely to die in UK hospitals than in US hospitals
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Actual poor people get everything free in the U.S.
Free healthcare, free child care, free food, free housing, free college, ect. Its the middle class that gets screwed over.
It's not fucking socialized in any way, shape or form. It's an insurance co-op set up by the government. The government does not employ healthcare employees that provide treatment within the scope of medicare. But instead acts as a third party payer, JUST LIKE PRIVATE FREE MARKET INSURANCE COMPANIES! Stupid dumbshit republican propaganda. They also have to pay premiums and have deductibles!
jim-jam bongs
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Which isn't accepted by a lot of institutions, for the record.
lol what?
Whoa, no need to get pissed off. I'm just going by Wikipedia's word.
User 100115
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Yeah, I am pretty sure that is going to end up being because people actually go to hospital in the UK, or stay there to die, versus not going/going home because of cost in the US.
TAJ
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Bingo.
A much better metric is the percentage of people who die of treatable illnesses. Basically every country with universal healthcare does better than the US there.
Vane_MagicCity
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LOL No.
My first thought as well, who pays for tye dying there?
It's been taking care of me for 30 years and its done a pretty bang up job. Never forked over a penny for multiple operations, years of physiotherapy or prescriptions. If I was born and raised in the US my parents would be bankrupt.
zero shift
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Even the libertarians in this thread are laughing at this "study".
If the poor have it so great, I'm sure you'd be glad to swap places with one of them. I mean, they get everything for free, get to live off the government teat, and don't have a single care in the world.
HINT: You wouldn't want to, and neither would I. Being poor isn't the gravy train that conservative types like to claim it is, otherwise nobody would work and we'd all go live on the dole.
Where's my free healthcare, my free food, my free housing, and my free college???
O, that's right...because that's completely made up.
Race to be King
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Tie dying? Mostly acid heads in the 60s.
They wouldn't have, like, paid for it man.
Miles Quaritch
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Yeah, I just wanted to apologise for posting this without doing some additional checking. C4 news are normally pretty reliable and have broken some pretty interesting stories (like the Amazon working conditions story some time ago and I thought this was another one fo those) but they seem to have messed up pretty bad here.
Anyway, apologies again for posting what has turned out to be a pretty flawed study.
Race to be King
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Nah, but those sugar cubes ain't free man.
It's clear who lives in the US and who doesn't by the people saying that only the rich can afford to go to hospitals in the US. People literally have no clue.
Someone else posted a stat about how you are more likely to die in Hospice care in the US. lol I'm not sure whether this is made up or just a complete misunderstanding of what Hospice actually is but it was just about as funny as the first statement.
Don't get me wrong either I'm not saying everything is great healthcare wise in the US but there is some extremely odd statements in this thread.
Someone else posted a stat about how you are more likely to die in Hospice care in the US. lol I'm not sure whether this is made up or just a complete misunderstanding of what Hospice actually is but it was just about as funny as the first statement.
Don't get me wrong either I'm not saying everything is great healthcare wise in the US but there is some extremely odd statements in this thread.
Marty Chinn
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Ya it's funny to hear people saying that when the common discussion is one of the reasons health care costs are so high is because people of lower income are going to hospitals but are unable to pay for the service they get and everyone else ends up paying for it.
TAJ
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There's a lot more to health care than the ER.
And while they'll treat anyone there, you'll also being accruing massive debt.
The Faceless Master
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that's exactly what i want to know!
Wrong way to look at it, there was a lot to be learned about flawed studies here.
zero shift
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Looking at the data 18% of Brits died at home: http://www.*****************/news/a...-homes-figures-reach-highest-level-years.html (EDIT - Its the dailymail)
Lets compare this to the United States where its 25%: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/facing-death/facts-and-figures/
This is a 39% difference. So already you have most of that 45% gap filled. This also doesn't take into an account of the hospice death rates. And the United Kingdom was by far the worst of the seven countries with a national health system compared? All this shows is how terrible the United State's healthcare system.
EDIT - The Daily Mail is banned?
I can find another link if somebody wants.
EDIT 2 - BBC. This says its actually 17% (even lower), but its from 2010 not 2004. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11742166
Lets compare this to the United States where its 25%: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/facing-death/facts-and-figures/
This is a 39% difference. So already you have most of that 45% gap filled. This also doesn't take into an account of the hospice death rates. And the United Kingdom was by far the worst of the seven countries with a national health system compared? All this shows is how terrible the United State's healthcare system.
EDIT - The Daily Mail is banned?
I can find another link if somebody wants.
EDIT 2 - BBC. This says its actually 17% (even lower), but its from 2010 not 2004. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11742166
Or maybe you don't? I mean the people who are posting that aren't Europeans, but Americans. Yeah you can get care but if you often want all the stuff they want recommended you are going to have to pay a lot more. Checkups are affodable but if you need something done and want it done right its going to cost you. Yes there is some hyperbolee but getting good healthcare in the United States is an obstacle for many.
The Technomancer
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Oh wait, this is bullshit? Going back to read thread
Couldn't they just run the water through a UV/filter? It wouldn't cost much.
VanquishUK
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Kinda strange to compare something that costs tens of thousands of dollars to something that pretty much costs nothing.
EDIT: Have I missed something?
EDIT: Have I missed something?
What do Hospice death rates prove? Or even deaths at home? It's useless information without context. Hospice is designed so that you can die at home. I mean there are certainly hospice units in hospitals but a large portion of people elect to do it at home. My 17 year old sister among them. She went through several brain surgeries at hopkins before it happened. All off an elementary school teachers health insurance plan.
zero shift
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I guess that's true but the home death point still stands.
My point is just that the badness of the American health system is horribly overrstated.
Yes it sucks being uninsured. It leads to financial ruin. It can lead to dying earlier then you should. For those 15% or so it's an awful thing that needs to be fixed.
The other side of the coin is that my mother an elementary school teacher was able to have her terminally ill child have millions of dollars worth of treatments at a top 5 hospital in the world with no real out of pocket expenses.
Do poor adult Americans get free chemotherapy?
zero shift
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Except that an overwhelming majority of people don't get to put their children in the top 5 hospitals in the world.
American health care sucks for a majority of Americans.
ClassyPenguin
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I think that in the US elderly are most likely not to be in hospital than in the UK due to not having a safety net.
Considering how much the healthcare system costs versus other first world countries proportionate to each person, it's fucking disastrously inefficient on top of your 15% SUX TO BE POOR which i won't even bother verifying its accuracy. If this shit was fixed we would have no deficit. None.
No we were lucky that we lived close. But most (80+%) have acess to the exact same treatments and surgeries.
Point is simply that being rich is clearly not a prerequisite for receiving care in this country.
Don't really know what else to say. It's just not true.
Not that hard to find.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance_coverage_in_the_United_States
Angry Grimace
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This. It would have been a completely useless study if they didn't correct for the number of people actually going to the hospital.
You continue to show ignorance on things you know absolutely nothing about.
A hospital won't turn you away if you call 911 and need emergency medical attention.
Dr.Guru of Peru
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Well, it could mean that the care is better in American hospitals, or the guy had too much money and not enough brains. So not very telling at all (the truth is the latter).
Amazing article, BTW. I'm glad they focused on the pianos in the foyer and the works of art on the walls. I'm sure that has something to do with it.
ClassyPenguin
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You can't build a narrative of the failures of socialized health care and safety nets with facts.
User 100115
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That doesn't mean you aren't left with crippling bills after it's over.
And that's just for emergency care.
I personally know people who have driven themselves to the hospital during a heart attack because they can't afford an ambulance.
That's the sort of mentality less well off people have in America.
That's until you get stabilized. Good luck using 911 to get your chemo or dialysis sessions, or even getting your bandages replaced.
While I'll agree on operations & prescriptions, physiotherapy under the NHS is absolutely shocking. 1 month waiting times at best in London even if the eventual service is good, Iv'e have to do it privately multiple times because I couldn't afford to be stuck in bed for weeks on end.
Dr.Guru of Peru
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And pray tell what happened after it took you only two days to get this critically important, limb-saving diagnostic test?
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