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Summer 2012 Anime |OT2| Of Suspended Anime Due To Olympics
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Yabuki is a master of his craft.
Chet Rippo
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Good, can't have boring in my To Love-ru
Uh, that's our argument. The problem with revisionism is replacing the original, trying to make it obsolete. That's what Lucas does. That's what SHAFT does.
There is nothing wrong with a director revisiting a work and creating a cut he feels is better as long as it exists with the original film, ala Ridley Scott and Blade Runner. A complementary existence. Not replacement. When you change the original, it's not the same thing any more. I would even call it false advertisement, that these are being sold as something that they are not. The version of Star Wars on Blu-ray is not Star Wars from 1977 at all. It's the 2011 direct to video re-edit. The version of Nisemonogatari on Blu-ray is not the same Nisemonogatari that aired on television. It's also a direct to video re-edit, maybe you could class it as an OVA?
The version of Nisemonogatari on Blu-ray is not the same Nisemonogatari that aired on television. It's also a direct to video re-edit, maybe you could class it as an OVA?
But as I just said (and Mandoric said earlier) it isn't meant to be misleading. The idea that the Blu-Ray version will be a different product from what aired on TV is implicit from the start. Is Shaft supposed to not do anything and/or release both versions? Why should they have to do that? Who demands that? This isn't replacing a beloved movie that's been around for 20 years, this is the first permanent release of a television show that aired on TV six months ago with the implicit understanding that the content on this permanent release was going to differ from the broadcast version in various ways. It's stupid that this is even an issue in the first place, and I'm not sure why duckroll felt the need to turn it into one or heck, why I even bothered to seriously respond to something that was so silly to begin with.
Femmeworth
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I thought that was a satire.
something something burden of proof
Ideally, both versions should be released. I'd think with modern technology there would be a cost efficient and reasonable way to store both versions on the same disc.
Man neogaf mobile really sucks.
Anyway, thats pretty cute but possibly a little disturbing.
Cool tech though!
It's not like it'd be unreasonable. Two episodes per Blu-ray doesn't even come close to filling up a BD-25 -- a single layer Blu-ray. Usually they take up about 10-13GB of the disc, not sure of the specifics for Nisemono. They could add the TV versions of those two episodes with ease and not sacrifice a bit of quality or add any costs at all to manufacturing.
Doesn't matter. Any revisionism should be frowned upon.
Well, it's an issue for people who take anime/film/etc seriously.
As far as I know this isn't standard practice anywhere, nor is there actually a market for such a thing.
Outrageous. It sounds like you have entitlement issues, just like gamers who don't want to pay a dollar per-week per-game for multiplayer.
I wish I could see some of my own original characters depicted this way. Total hnnngh potential.
It wouldn't be unreasonable, but I won't begrudge companies for not doing it. Especially if they consider the broadcast version an inferior product anyway.
Not touching this.
Oh stuff it. This is not an issue for people who take anime/film/etc "seriously", this is an issue for people who are specifically annoyed by this type of thing. How "serious" they are about their hobby is irrelevant.
It's actually not uncommon for anime in Japan to include both the original and a vastly improved version when it is the case. Lots of releases specifically have the regular episode and the "director's cut" episode in these cases. Heck, for certain shows they do it even when there aren't any animation changes, but rather just the way credits on the episode are presented. For example if an episode on TV had to cut the opening or ending due to a lack of time, and the credits are instead overlaid on actual episode footage. If the episode on DVD has a clean version with the opening and editing animations restored into the episode, they sometimes also include the original broadcast version on the disc.
It seems to me that you simply do not care at all for this topic, and hence you don't really bother to notice these things. That's not an insult, but in the context of this discussion it frames you as someone who is not understanding of the opposite view point, due to your lack of interest in it, and at the same time you want to argue against it anyway. Just an observation.
It sounds like you have straw man issues.
I'm pretty sure Branduil was joking/sarcastic.
Yes, I know. That's why I said it.
Then I was wrong. I am interested in specific examples though, for curiosity's sake. (Enron don't you dare.)
I don't believe I'm wrong on principle even if I'm ignorant on certain things. Besides, it's always nice to be informed of new things.
Here are some recent examples:
Eureka Seven AO Vol1: http://eurekaao-prj.net/?p=513
- Episode 2 is available as both the original version that aired, as well as an "extended version" which removes the credits from the footage at the end of the episode, and attaches a proper ED animation to it instead.
Persona 4 Animation: http://www.p4a.jp/package/index.html
- Vol1 contains both the Director's Cut version of Ep1, as well as the On-Air version of Ep1.
Fate/Zero: http://www.fate-zero.jp/rentdvd/index.html
- The original TV versions can be rented anywhere in Japan on DVD.
No, and I stand by this. Anybody who takes anime/film/etc seriously, actually seriously, also has concern for archival, preservation, and such. It's very relevant.
Crash Station
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The Mona Lisa is a single entity. A movie is mass produced.
Though I will agree, there's a better case for the argument that what Lucas is doing is art vandalism over Pizzaroll's argument that Hix watching Utena with a different aspect ratio being art vandalism.
Maybe if you took more than just infantile mediums seriously you would realize that the world is overstuffed with too much art and most of it really doesn't matter one bit.
So basically you're saying that because you do not care about this, in your opinion it does not matter and hence no one else should care because it is a waste of time as long as it is of no important to you blahblahblah? That's a really rude way of expressing your incorrect opinion. Different people care about different things, and some people take certain things more seriously than others. It is not wrong.
One Piece Movie 6
This is one of those times I'm rather grateful for this thread as I'd have missed this given my lack of interest in One Piece. Even with the Hosoda hype selling me on this, I remained a bit tentative going in given the franchise and expecting something well done but simplistic and perhaps not too entirely engaging.
It's nice to be wrong. Instead I was given this fantastic adventure film that reveled in comedy but knew well enough to reel it in when the time came, a story that grew progressively darker, and a fabulous villain in Baron Omatsuri.
Even with the bare minimum of knowledge of the franchise going in, it was more than enough as this felt so wonderfully self-contained. While I'm certain more familiarity with the characters may have enhanced the experience, not once did I feel as if I was missing out with what was presented to me and that's commendable.
I suppose there's one caveat in that last statement and that's in regards to Luffy's characterization. I really enjoyed him in the second half of the movie but he seemed so much the caricature in the first. So much so I was left wondering if he was normally portrayed as such or if it was sort of lampooning his regular role.
Aw yeah.
This is one of those times I'm rather grateful for this thread as I'd have missed this given my lack of interest in One Piece. Even with the Hosoda hype selling me on this, I remained a bit tentative going in given the franchise and expecting something well done but simplistic and perhaps not too entirely engaging.
It's nice to be wrong. Instead I was given this fantastic adventure film that reveled in comedy but knew well enough to reel it in when the time came, a story that grew progressively darker, and a fabulous villain in Baron Omatsuri.
His motivations were rather obvious early on but he did this wonderful job in this role, especially when he nearly broke Luffy down with his speech about him now being alone after he lost his friends.
I suppose there's one caveat in that last statement and that's in regards to Luffy's characterization. I really enjoyed him in the second half of the movie but he seemed so much the caricature in the first. So much so I was left wondering if he was normally portrayed as such or if it was sort of lampooning his regular role.
Thought this was a nice contrast asit gave some visual credence to Omatsuri succeeding as the story went on.
sogood
Wow that's amazing. It's just like poetry really.
lol
It is.^
It is a crime that this movie is not available on blu-ray.
Wait, it is?
Yes...
I didn't say it's wrong for different people to care about different things. My point was that that is an inexhaustible amount of artistic work out there of varying aptitudes and most of it isn't worth paying mind to from anyone but special interest groups. Not all art has significant artistic merit. Your twisting and turning in the wind to put on a show that suggests otherwise couldn't feel more disingenuous when the most recently released anime was this guy here:
Her panties are blacked out a few seconds later beneath her skirt. Woe is artistic license if the Blu-Ray release doesn't let viewers partake in the television aired masterpiece of lazy censorship that primarily serves as an advertisement simply to sell home release copies.
To anyone? Unless you are saying you care about everything released. Most of it is of suspect quality, or can often appeal to specialized interest groups. I don't know why this is contentious, but most of you seem set on misinterpreting or misquoting me to create some sort of huff.
Wow...
You know what, forget it. It's clear you have no real interest in discussing this subject, and you're only interested in riling up people who care about the point being discussed. You are the twisting words around and finding straw men comparisons to try to invalidate other people's valid discussions. It is annoying and honestly, you come off as just an asshole. So this is all I have to say to you regarding this matter:
Femmeworth
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I've alluded to some of them, though most of them kind of go without saying.
-Fanservice, some straight up tasteless
-Cheap drama, like KEY cheap
-Excessive/masturbatory dialogue that doesn't seem to add much
-Repetitive humor
-It's a damn harem show
-Animation
Lack of artistic merit does not mean it lacks the right to continue to exist. Quality has nothing to do with it. I don't care just about the preservation and archival of things I like.
It's quite ironic for you to call anything infantile while you believe that your preferences should dictate a work's existence.
Crash Station
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Advertisements are works of art too.
Kono Naka ni Hitori, Imouto ga Iru!
I'll drop the argument stuff. It's not getting me anywhere and I just look like a dunce anyways.
Many of prolific directors working on movies today started their careers shooting commercials!
It was the same kind of disregard for others feelings/opinions that got me banned before. I would be careful taking that route.
Lol. I don't think that's exactly what got you banned! You just need to think a bit sometimes before posting something!
Lol. I don't think that's exactly what got you banned! You just need to think a bit sometimes before posting something!
Well I was trolling and pretending that my opinion on a subject was the only relevant one. It was selfish.
David Fincher is just some Nike shoe salesman, man.
Also some good animators do advertisements too, like Koike.
hosannainexcelsis
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The very start of the film is a bit jarring in its lack of introduction to any of the characters, but the whole opening sequence on the island does an excellent job of establishing their individual personalities and how well they work as a team. Thus even if you don't have prior investment with them you can get the needed emotional resonance for the climax to be successful.
Having now seen the show, I can assure you that that is Luffy's normal characterization - if anything, he's normally even more exaggerated (and annoying). Although there usually comes a point at the climax of each arc where he gets serious and his mannerisms get toned down and much more tolerable - certainly this film really made effective use of that.
Excellent point. Really,
the gradual breakdown of the crew was masterfully done and developed quite naturally.
Oh man, I've got to get my hands on this! Seeing that beautiful art and animation in high resolution... mmmm.
amishpriest99
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Getting back on the Sword Art Online bandwagon...caught up through episode 6. Pretty good stuff. Looking forward to seeing further development of the Kirito/Asuna relationship. Speaking of relationships, it was interesting how they dealt with them in the last couple of episodes with
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Grimrock killing his wife because she was no longer the submissive person he knew in the real world
I can't even imagine that.
sure you can
just watch Strong World (movie 10)
The eccentric style of One Piece really works well with fluid animation and colourful but detailed settings
its a damned shame that the TV adaptation is such a low budget affair
Luffy's a really, really annoying protagonist.
sure you can
just watch Strong World (movie 10)
The eccentric style of One Piece really works well with fluid animation and colourful but detailed settings
its a damned shame that the TV adaptation is such a low budget affair
You shouldn't do that as I'm terribly susceptible to peer pressure.
I hope I don't accidentally sleep with my imouto: The show.
Train of Midnight
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Of all people, I would have thought you would be the first to jump on this.
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