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Super Best Friends Thread 8: "You know, we really are the Super Best Friends Play"
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To be fair, Gaf is really the only video game site that give a shit about this kind of stuff. For better or worse...
Ah yes Hawk. My main gripe with the game. In DA:O I could be any race, and the mattered to the plot. My class mattered to the plot. In DA 2 I was just some normal human dude.
IDKAboutThat
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I loved DA2, but I fucking adore inquisition.
Aaron-Lagann
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I'm only a few hours in, but I'm bored to death with every aspect of it right now.
I know enough, it's true I'm not as enthusiastic about them as Matt or Woolie because I just don't like breaking a game down to numbers and mechanics and nothing else in order to be better at it, it stops being a game at that point. So I do get the reasoning of "The mechanics are everything" in a fighting game.
CrackPebbles
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The problem(after of course, ignoring your disregard for the simplicity of said Bayo comparison and focusing on the context of the game's sexualization despite the fact) is that you seem to completely disregard a franchise as pointless because its aesthetic choices don't appeal to you. Implying that mechanical depth and fine tuned balance are irrelevant because of the way the game is marketed.
You're saying that the games quality serves as an 'excuse' to defend its sexualization. When in reality both of these factors contribute to the games appeal and success.
So you get that the main appeal of every fighting game is the gameplay. Which is what we are defending.
cdstephens
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Have you played it before? Or just starting up?
If you do, then you're not showing it. It's not just raw numbers. It's about kinetic response, gravity, weight, and overall feel of a game in addition to the mechanics, character diversity, balance, etc.. These are the actual substantive parts of a fighting game that you're readily dismissing as excuses.
Banana Aeon
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It's a fighting game. Like character action games, the gameplay is all that's there. Superficial details, like stories are bonuses, not requirements.
The game, mechanically, is sound. It has the rock-paper-scissor mechanic, built around the counter system, something that has not been repeated elsewhere. The series, besides DoA4 and Dimensions, isn't terrible, and are pretty fun fighters, and DoA5 is fantastic.
That's more than enough reasons to exist. A better series? What, based around characters that you don't find issue with. Stop taking an issue with the characters then.
Hell, if I had it my way, all the characters would be diseased, rotting bodies, or other similar blights afflicted on them.
It's funny that I didn't notice the fanservice, until I was sixteen, and still to this day, I don't understand how DoA was the only one called out it, with Mortal Kombat and Soul Calibur existing.
IDKAboutThat
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Plow through the story until you get the castle. If you're still not invested by then, give up.
Seriously though, I met the villain, I had character development, some shit went down, and this game just got way better.
IDKAboutThat
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PfantzyPantz
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Holy shit, I'm going nuts right now. Capcom, pls.
Now this is something I didn't expect to see, I don't want to get hype, but I can't not get hype now.
Capcom, pls for real.
I told you motherfuckers. DMC5 is happening
cdstephens
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Meh, I didn't feel like my origins impacted the story significantly enough for me to care. I was expecting something more like TOR I suppose with a class and race story for the entire game.
Ultimate_Trainer
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Maybe the news page of Dragon's Dogma was supposed to get us ready for the hype.
Come on Dragon's Dogma 2!
IDKAboutThat
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It will not be hype. It will not be good. Give up. The ones who made it good have abandoned the series. Now all we have is Capcpom.
CrackPebbles
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Welp, Its about time I officially board this hype train.
The trauma of this event is going to haunt me for quite some time if we don't get it at this point. Im scared to believe.
Well at least it's happenning? Better than nothing? It could be more donte instead of the dante everyone wants.
cdstephens
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Was DMC ever good?
Serious question, I didn't play character action games as a kid.
Itsuno and Neo_G are still at Capcom.
PfantzyPantz
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I know I should expect DMC5, but it's just so hard to not be cynical with Capcom. This really is their time to explode and bring out all the big guns they've been crafting, so I am fully on board the hype train (and slightly expecting to be crushed ;_
It didn't matter in the grand scheme of things but there are so many changes to the game depending on what you start of as. I guess I like DA:O more because it's classic Bioware and DA2 is just a cheap ME game.
If we don't get DMC5, I will probably cry and drink. Not necessarily in that order.
Not until I see a hype-ass trailer featuring sick combos and unintelligible butt rock.
Yes. Yes oh god yes. DMC 1,3 and 4 are some of the greatest games ever made.
And that Japan can make PC ports better than most western devs if they actually put in the effort
Someone linked an old thread and look at what I found
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=100978370&postcount=2
I see your points, how refreshing. I can understand more now how you guys look at DOA as opposed to how I've seen other people look at the series so frequently in the past, which was part of my problem with it, but it does make sense how a game is shown visually is less relevant in the case of fighting games. If I was as enthusiastic about fighting games, then I still think I would refrain from playing DOA if I could help it simply because regardless of how good they might feel, I just wouldn't want to play characters like that, my favorite fighting games over the years have been Soul Calibur 2, Tekken 3 and 5, and Bloody Roar Primary fury.
This is why I like NeoGAF over other places.
I've played it a bunch of times over the years, I played it the week it came out way back in 2004, great game, buggy and awkward at times, but still pretty great. I installed the Unofficial Patch and the +Patch (Which I may or may not already regret as I like some stuff being added back in that wasn't in the original game but don't really like some of the changes, such as skill books being moved)
Banana Aeon
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Itsuno is still trapped in his closet, and Neo_G is doing something.
It will be good, as long as those two remain.
skLaFarebear
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Its not gonna be DMC5. Capcom doesn't like doing good things anymore.
That's weird. Soul cal and Tekken have their fair share of fanservice characters as well. I'd actually say Soul Cal is worse that DOA
cdstephens
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Would they be worth picking up now? Only games I played like that are Revengeance (love it!) and DmC (the new one, didn't like it).
Also something bad happen to 2?
They only care about sales and classic DMC sells. I believe in their greed.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Jigglypuff seems to have even more expressions in Smash now:
Soul Cal has been much worse for a while now IMO.
See the BFP Soul Cal V vid. The Natsu match shows it off the best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjm11vYJkbU
Soul Cal has been much worse for a while now IMO.
See the BFP Soul Cal V vid. The Natsu match shows it off the best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjm11vYJkbU
IDKAboutThat
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Sure. As long as they didn't give it to Musso because Hyrule Warriors was a success, and this isn't a pachinko machine, and it isn't for phones, and they don't decide that the reason DmC did bad was because it was too complicated and repeat DMC history, and one of a million other things doesn't fail. Sure. It'll be great.
DMC 1 is dated but still good. DMC 3 holds up well and DMC4 is near perfect.
DMC2 never happened
CrackPebbles
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I already told you I would cry, im not joking. I would be physically ill.
I was definitely less jaded back then. I've let the DmC fanbase defeat me for the past five months. Not anymore, DMC5 hype is in full force.
They are worth picking up without question. DMC1 and DMC3 invented the action game genre and the stylish character action genre respectively. The HD Collection belongs in everyone's library.
By and large, DMC2 has been essentially divorced from the series. It's a poor game, an extremely poor action game, and an abominable DMC title.
It's been strongly implied that DMC2 was never intended to be a DMC game, but was an existing working project that was pushed into being DMC's sequel after the first sold so well. The game was a slow and clunky mess, with poor level/enemy design, overpowered gun spamming, muddy graphics, bad music, and a Dante completely devoid of personality. Itsuno, the director of DMC3, was brought late into development to fix it, but it was too far gone at that point.
skLaFarebear
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Please be excited for Dante costume in Monster Hunter.
Fighting games always have *some* fan service, Taki or whoever had the full body suit thing I think was the worst offender in SC2 but I don't really remember anyone being especially bad, I usually just played Siegfried.
Exactly, I'm pretty sure I mentioned SC2 specifically and not the SC series, if it's that bad now, that's disappointing.
Well the last DOA I played was DOA2 so I don't actually know how bad it got. In modern SC you can heavily customize characters which I feel just makes it worse by default
cdstephens
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Ah OK, I just played it this past year with the patches. Pretty great, but boy are the last 30 minutes rough. I think I skipped it and just watched the cutscene online.
ArclightBorealis
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The DOA games didn't have a huge drop off in quality after 2 comparable to Soul Calibur, but by the time 4 came around, things were noticeable that it wasn't as solid as before.
DOA 5 Ultimate is the best the series has been, though. Ninja Dog Hayashi can't make action games for shit, but he somehow made a better fighting game than Itagaki ever could.
I want a fighting game series that is basically Dark Souls in Fighting game form, thematically and even in story telling.
Ivy was up there, but she was less offensive on account of just looking a tad more classy, not by much though.
How would that work? It cant exactly be open world and a lot of dark souls' fighting is 3d and putting it on a 2d plane would make it too different. Or do you want it to be like Sould calibre?
No no no, I just mean, basically take Soul Calibur and replace it with various Dark Souls characters with cool little story descriptions and Dark souls themed stages, music etc.
So yes, basically Dark Souls Calibur.
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