Vergil is just a dude and his fights are badass.
Super Best Friends Thread 8: "You know, we really are the Super Best Friends Play"
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Vergil is just a dude and his fights are badass.
3 Years is well within the statute of limitations, so please don't be pissy about it. If you post something that is a spoiler just put in a spoiler tag.
ArclightBorealis
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I don't mind that because it built up this narrative of Patrick constantly pushing Yoshi's Island to counteract the negativity.
Same for when he lost his shit at the mention of NiGHTS into Dreams during the new releases segment. That was fucking legendary.
It's so fucking badumb.
Banana Aeon
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I personally don't care about spoilers, but I'm over cautious on what I tag, knowing that some are.
If something is years old, you shouldn't expect to be shielded from spoilers.
If something is years old, you shouldn't expect to be shielded from spoilers.
Really now, I would understand if it's a big "twist" kind of thing, I wouldn't want to spoil something like "Who the killer is"
I have no real obligation at this point not to casually talk about THAT instance, but I wouldn't because that's a pretty big deal and it's simple courtesy not to do that.
But you know what isn't a big deal? The final boss of a game that was never presented as a "secret" in the first place, it's not some big twist thing, so getting upset about it is just making a mountain out of a mole hill.
In the context of "I've been playing it recently and I had no idea but you just spoiled that"
I would apologize because that's poor timing, I don't NEED to apologize but I would because that would suck.
In the context of "I would maybe like to play this game someday but I am not and might not in the near future."
Well you just have to get over it.
I agree. I know it's an old game, but not everyone has played it.
It's always time for passive agressiveness!! I really have only myself to blame.. i do phase out and forget those moments on the podcast.
H-How could you! How will my dumbledore x snape ship ever come true now! ;_;
Gabriel Angelos is a member of the Blood Ravens.
Anyways
Yeah well you can still just put a spoiler tag over it anyway, takes 2 seconds. I do agree that it wasn't much of a spoiler but I'm not the one being spoiled
I don't find it absurd. People have lives and can't consume every piece of media that they want to right away. There's obviously a gray area as to what constitutes a spoiler, but I think "final boss" or "in-game twists/deaths" are pretty clear ones.
You could get spoiled. It's a risk that you assume when you make the decision to wait. I get that. At the same time, there's a spoiler tag for a reason. I'd ask that people have the decency to use discretion when talking about spoilers, but that power rests solely on the individual doing the spoiling.
It's actually not a spoiler for me, and I'm not really upset. I was talking more generally rather than directing it at you, but I do empathize with Zelfalcia. As I said before, it's definitely a gray area, but I usually try to be mindful of such things.
Yeah I agree Jeff's insight is really good to listen to, but it's just weird seeing these tastes pop up in amongst that stuff sometimes, he's usually pretty good at pointing out why something might be popular even if he's not a fan, so I always like that.
Edit: I haven't played Demon Souls so I guess I know what Old King Allant means now....
DoktorEvil
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I need to see a video or clip of this.
My point is, yes you should try not to spoil people but you can't get butthurt over getting spoiled about something that is years old.
Because you know if I accidentally spoiled something for someone here, its not like it'd be out of malicious intent or on purpose, so getting on my (or anyone else's) case about it is pretty immature imo.
Maybe i'm just too picky about it since i don't like knowing anything about a series i would play or currently playing unless i really wanted to know. There are some things within the statute(statue?) Of limitations that shouldn't be spoiled or at least avoided to be spoiled.
Perhaps i made my post too kneejerk-y. I apologize.
Firstly 3 years is not a long time. I can understand a game that is 10 years old but something that came out in the past few years should still be in spoiler territory and secondly a spoiler can completely ruin someones experience, for example someone here, I forget who, won't watch Cowboy Bebop because the ending was ruined for them. Weather or not a spoiler is a big deal or not to you is completely irrelevant
How is that immature?
I know you might have a different standard for what a spoiler is, but there is no universal standard here. I'm not trying to be contentious. I'm simply asking people to use spoiler tags where they feel appropriate, while erring on the side of caution. Again, the recent "spoiler" isn't even a spoiler for me, and probably not a big deal. I was talking more generally because I've seen it happen before.
You're hammering on the specific instance of your spoiler, which I don't really care about. If you interpreted my original post as me calling you out for being lazy or something, I apologize because it wasn't my intent. Again, I was speaking generally.
Yep. My statute maximum is 2 years. After 2 years, I'm probably not going to spoiler anything because 2 years is a really long time and if you don't care enough to play/watch something within two years then too bad.
But I'm actually way more lenient than that. When active discussion dies down, that's when I'll drop most spoiler tags except for big stuff like final bosses or penultimate swerves. This also means if something comes back into active discussion (for example Dark Souls when it was finally released for PC) then I start spoilering stuff again until it dies down.
JooseBawcks
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Yeah I was pretty butthurt/bummed when Pat said that P4 thing on the podcast
JooseBawcks
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No I skipped that cause spoilers. It was way after it
Xux
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Wait, Lord Gwyn's just an old guy at the end of Dark Souls? How's that any different from the weird, mutant salamander form of King Allant when you go inside the Old One at the end of Demon's Souls? Gosh, I hope Bloodborne has more surreal bullshit like that ending below the citadel.
I don't really remember in that case, there is only one P4 Spoiler that actually matters, and if it wasn't that then, oh well I guess, that's unfortunate.
I say it's immature because getting on someone's case about anything minor is immature.
but *shrugs* I'm not going to debate it anymore. As I said before, this is a new thing to me because never have I encountered a place that considers it rude not to spoiler tag things that are 3+ years old.
It actually blows my mind that you guys have those expectations.
Will I try my best to respect it? Sure. But it'd be like, going your whole life tipping 20% and then you travel to a new city and a waiter gets offended that you didn't tip 30%.
but *shrugs* I'm not going to debate it anymore. As I said before, this is a new thing to me because never have I encountered a place that considers it rude not to spoiler tag things that are 3+ years old.
It actually blows my mind that you guys have those expectations.
Will I try my best to respect it? Sure. But it'd be like, going your whole life tipping 20% and then you travel to a new city and a waiter gets offended that you didn't tip 30%.
JooseBawcks
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It was when he said
go download the Marie and Culprit Ultimax DLC
ArclightBorealis
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I don't count that form of Allant as the final boss, the one in Boletarian Palace is the main comparison because both those characters directly fight you. That and the old, twisted form of Allant at the end better conveyed how pathetic the situation was than Gwyn did.
Man, Demon's Souls' lore and characters are so much better than Dark...
Oh yeah, that's a bit unfortunate,
but I guess at that point when you see the character, you'll know something is up with him. I agree he could have phrased that better
It's ridiculous and inappropriate but all of the characters have importance and their own stories and everything ties together pretty well, Sorachi can do whatever at any time no matter how retarded it is and have it still work because of how Gintama is set up, but there are alot of really good ideals and real human moments throughout that shows you that there is something great in there.
It can be a big deal for some people. This spoiler wasn't too much but if I spoiled the ending to ICO or Shadow of the Colossus I can easily see people getting upset.
That seems kind of a narrow perspective, since something that's a minor issue for you isn't a minor issue for someone else. Things are rarely so black and white. You're in the new city. You should probably get used to people expecting certain things. This is on all of GAF, not just this thread.
Anyway, thanks for trying to adapt, genuinely. I wasn't trying to "call anyone out" or "get on someone's case."
Oh, right. Of course. We'd never waste a page of off-topic discussion here.
Your spoiler specifically? No. Spoilers in general? Yes.
mrw
I regret my post but ehhh..
Perhaps the expectations are too high? I got spoiled for P4's killer so i'm not too happy with anything with so-so is ____. Very personal thing.. i shouldnt have even brought it up..
Well we can have a civilized conversation about it and not turn it into a debate.
I regret my post but ehhh..
Perhaps the expectations are too high? I got spoiled for P4's killer so i'm not too happy with anything with so-so is ____. Very personal thing.. i shouldnt have even brought it up..
Well we can have a civilized conversation about it and not turn it into a debate.
GlassEmpires
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The weird thing is when multiple conversations happen and they all use spoilers either to hide sensitive information or as part of a joke.
You know what's worth discussion?
it's almost 2015 and we STILL don't have their top 10 2013 games
edit: and oh yeah "incest"
You know I can understand something like that making the issue more sensitive than it should logically be, that's a pretty big one to be ruined with.
Considering P4 Ultimax exists even Atlus doesn't give a fuck.
I get that. I just don't think yall realize that like....no one is that mindful of old spoilers anywhere else, ever. So if you haven't been around Gaf for a long time, it probablyyyy wouldn't occur to you to spoiler something old.
I mean I got spoiled about
Ace's death
Yeah, that more or less throws everything out the window.
Xux
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You mean their Holiday Buying Guide 2014: Ten Great Games You May Have Missed in 2013?
They should give it up at this point, just post a list on facebook from now on in future, saves time and can potentially happen within a reasonable time span.
AngryCanadian
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I tag all the spoilers I talk about out of respect for everyone but those 2 examples are insane, they may have gotten a HD rerelease but those games are from 2 console generations ago and Shadow of the Colossus is 9 years old at this point, on the most popular console of all time. nearly a decade of being release on the most common console ever made (might be wrong about that) is way more then enough in a form of statute of limitations imo.
Of course I still spoil tag all my things and I'm not trying to start an argument here. I'm sure the right people will get pissed off but that is pretty extreme.
It really throws me into a loop sometimes. Like
when gintoki tells um.. the girl to leave earth and go with her father
Ultimate_Trainer
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I would perfer the voice script since I need to know why, but yeah I don't care if they have it in video or not.
I was just about to conglaturate you on that spoiler not actually being about incest and then you edited it to add incest.
CreeperBlocks
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P4 is a special case, with the P4G anime relatively fresh and it kind of having a bit of a resurgence from Ultimax etc. Plenty of people are just getting into Persona 4, so I would never want to be the person who ruins that experience for them.
Generally I'll shy away from surprise and twist spoilers, because that's mean, but anything that's kind of easy to conclude or foresee while playing that wasn't presented as a secret, no.
Yeah, you can think of Kabukichou as an open world that continues to progress off panel while Gintama goes on, minor characters might get referenced later or be involved in new things or something etc. etc. Unless people are straight up dead, at some point they'll be back for some reason.
Which makes the Gintama world feel way more alive.
Has anyone ever purchased anything from the SBFP store? I'm just curious about timeliness and packaging.
I agree that's generally the best approach. Those are clearly the actual damaging spoilers. Even if it's easy for someone to get spoiled on something like that because of an influx of official media, I'd rather it not be me doing it.
The interesting thing is that despite the fact that more people might be getting into Persona 4 because of the new media, the new media is making it harder than ever to remain spoiler free.
I agree that's generally the best approach. Those are clearly the actual damaging spoilers. Even if it's easy for someone to get spoiled on something like that because of an influx of official media, I'd rather it not be me doing it.
The interesting thing is that despite the fact that more people might be getting into Persona 4 because of the new media, the new media is making it harder than ever to remain spoiler free.
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