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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS |OT| It's out in Japan
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MannyToons
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No Waluigi. IMMEDIATELY dissatisfied.
Banjo-Kazooie would be fantastic if it could be done.
Video is still loading, but it should be cool to see a Greninja in an actual match. Everyone seems to think he's solid, but I haven't seen him actually played much.
I love that you post cool things, but could you provide a little context with these links?
A Link to the Past
Banned
Oh shit, I forgot Captain Syrup
SORRY RIDLEY
SORRY RIDLEY
Wreck-It Ralph
Member
Has anyone seen any good Donkey Kong gameplay? I'm curious about how good he is this time around.
X
Xpike
Unconfirmed Member
So, aside from Splatoon girl, what actual newcomers can we expect for Smash 6?
Lord_Byron28
Member
Meh Daisy gets the treatment she deserves. She's on the same level as Birdo and Waluigi. Characters like Toad are still left high and dry but I suppose they'll be saving Captain Toad for Smash 5 in 2020.
Yeah that's about it as well. Although Kameo and Viva Pinata had interesting concepts as new ips that I'm sure with Nintendo's guidance could've been better games. Kameo is a shame since it had potential but it went through development hell and then Microsoft killed Rare. I'm glad Rare's hands were removed from the DK franchise though. They were starting to head down a dark route that could've fallen into a Sonic 2006/Shadow the Hedgehog/ Sonic Heroes mess. Although I doubt Nintendo would've let it get that far. Although I wish DK racing was their last Nintendo title not SF:A.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Hey, I'm gonna try to make a Brawler that matches a Wario Land-like moveset. What are the Brawler's movesets? I want to know if it's even viable 
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that we would get 3DS POTD until it's out in NA/EU.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Captain Toad seems like he'll be a total and utter lock for Smas6.
KLatin Scelus
Member
Kinda. Move's awkward. Most of the time, I'll grow the tree and attack the other characters with the axe.
MannyToons
Member
Eh. I don't think Nintendo choosing to do nothing with a character insinuates that the character themselves deserve it. They're just being non-creative with 'em if you ask me.
A Link to the Past
Banned
I'm Isaac-friendly, but I think Isaac missed his window :v
PadWarrior
Member
OmegaSmash
Member
Dixie, Captain Toad, a new Pokemon, that's all I got really.
PadWarrior
Member
Got this from the Peach Smashboards:
General
Distance on second jump increased significantly.
Ledge Floating is still in (immediately landing on back on the stage from the ledge by pressing float when jumping to the stage)
Jab
Jab 2 now deals less knockback
Jab > Grab is now much harder, maybe even impossible. Peach does jab 2 when you input grab after jab 1.
Total damage slightly decreased from Brawl (6 > 5)
Slightly shortened range.
Dash Attack
The two hits connect much better into each other now.
Ftilt
Decreased knockback
Decreased damage. (?)
Utilt
Severely decreased knockback.
Decreased damage (?)
Dtilt
Easier to combo of.
Easier to spike with it.
Dtilt slide is out (lol)
Fsmash
Now comes in a set order: Frying Pan > Tennis Racket > Golf Club
Tennis Racket deals more knockback and has no sweetspot anymore.
Frying Pan Pan deals more knockback.
Not sure whether Golf Club deals more knockback though.
Usmash
Range slightly increased, it's easier to hit with the sweetspot now.
Sourspot has increased damage and knockback (8 > 12) I would like someone to confirm this.
Dsmash
Hits connect reliably now. It does around 13 damage.
Increased knockback (but it barely kills)
Toad (Neutral B)
Spores deal slightly more knockback (?).
Custom move 1 - Grumpy Toad: Toad automatically shoots spores and does not need to be activated by a counter attack.
Custom move 2: Toad puts the opponent to sleep. The sleeping duration looks pretty short.
Peach Bomber (Side B)
Start-up decreased significantly.
Bounces off shields.
This move actually looks usable now!
Damage decreased (15 > 10)
Custom move 1 - Rising Bomber: Peach bomber also travels a bit upwards instead of only sidewards. Improved knockback (?).
Custom move 2:
Parasol (Up B)
Hits connect very reliably now.
Open Parasol has increased knockback.
Custom move 1 - Super Parasol Jump: Increased height, but leaves Peach in a fast fall at the end of the move (you cannot open Parasol).
Custom move 2:
Turnip (Down B)
Turnip pluck has increased lag.
Instant turnip pluck from the ledge is still in.
Custom move 1 - Heavy Vegetable: Increased lag on plucking turnips, but turnips deal more knockback. Turnips are thrown less far.
Custom move 2:
Nair
Looks mostly unchanged. Still very fast.
Fair
Slightly increased knockback
Autocancels later. When autocanceled too early, it has considerable lag and is unsafe on shield.
Bair
Range in front of her slightly decreased.
Range on her butt still big.
Still very fast.
Dair
Damage decreased (14 > 11)
SDI'ing out of mulihit moves (= escaping out of multihit moves) has become much harder, which means it has become impossible to escape out of Dair.
Range and comboability are still great.
Uair
Her Uair has been replaced. She waves in the air and hits her opponent with a rainbow.
Fast start-up.
Low ending lag in the air.
Low landing lag.
Great range on top of her.
Knockback seems to be a bit less than her old Uair.
Grab
Grab range and speed seem mostly the same.
Fthrow
Knockback slightly increased (?) Doesn't kill well.
Bthrow
Knockback increased.
Knockback seems to be more than Fthrow, but it still doesn't kill well.
Uthrow
Looks largely unchanged.
Dthrow
Can combo of it at low to middle percents.
Final Smash
Sleep duration decreased
Damage decreased (40 > 20)
Now summons about three giant peaches instead of many small peaches. Each giant peach heals 20%.
Opponents can still avoid falling asleep by being airborne.
Opponents can still eat peaches and heal themselves.
It's still a mystery why they thought it was a good idea to nerf this already awful Final Smash.
General
Distance on second jump increased significantly.
Ledge Floating is still in (immediately landing on back on the stage from the ledge by pressing float when jumping to the stage)
Jab
Jab 2 now deals less knockback
Jab > Grab is now much harder, maybe even impossible. Peach does jab 2 when you input grab after jab 1.
Total damage slightly decreased from Brawl (6 > 5)
Slightly shortened range.
Dash Attack
The two hits connect much better into each other now.
Ftilt
Decreased knockback
Decreased damage. (?)
Utilt
Severely decreased knockback.
Decreased damage (?)
Dtilt
Easier to combo of.
Easier to spike with it.
Dtilt slide is out (lol)
Fsmash
Now comes in a set order: Frying Pan > Tennis Racket > Golf Club
Tennis Racket deals more knockback and has no sweetspot anymore.
Frying Pan Pan deals more knockback.
Not sure whether Golf Club deals more knockback though.
Usmash
Range slightly increased, it's easier to hit with the sweetspot now.
Sourspot has increased damage and knockback (8 > 12) I would like someone to confirm this.
Dsmash
Hits connect reliably now. It does around 13 damage.
Increased knockback (but it barely kills)
Toad (Neutral B)
Spores deal slightly more knockback (?).
Custom move 1 - Grumpy Toad: Toad automatically shoots spores and does not need to be activated by a counter attack.
Custom move 2: Toad puts the opponent to sleep. The sleeping duration looks pretty short.
Peach Bomber (Side B)
Start-up decreased significantly.
Bounces off shields.
This move actually looks usable now!
Damage decreased (15 > 10)
Custom move 1 - Rising Bomber: Peach bomber also travels a bit upwards instead of only sidewards. Improved knockback (?).
Custom move 2:
Parasol (Up B)
Hits connect very reliably now.
Open Parasol has increased knockback.
Custom move 1 - Super Parasol Jump: Increased height, but leaves Peach in a fast fall at the end of the move (you cannot open Parasol).
Custom move 2:
Turnip (Down B)
Turnip pluck has increased lag.
Instant turnip pluck from the ledge is still in.
Custom move 1 - Heavy Vegetable: Increased lag on plucking turnips, but turnips deal more knockback. Turnips are thrown less far.
Custom move 2:
Nair
Looks mostly unchanged. Still very fast.
Fair
Slightly increased knockback
Autocancels later. When autocanceled too early, it has considerable lag and is unsafe on shield.
Bair
Range in front of her slightly decreased.
Range on her butt still big.
Still very fast.
Dair
Damage decreased (14 > 11)
SDI'ing out of mulihit moves (= escaping out of multihit moves) has become much harder, which means it has become impossible to escape out of Dair.
Range and comboability are still great.
Uair
Her Uair has been replaced. She waves in the air and hits her opponent with a rainbow.
Fast start-up.
Low ending lag in the air.
Low landing lag.
Great range on top of her.
Knockback seems to be a bit less than her old Uair.
Grab
Grab range and speed seem mostly the same.
Fthrow
Knockback slightly increased (?) Doesn't kill well.
Bthrow
Knockback increased.
Knockback seems to be more than Fthrow, but it still doesn't kill well.
Uthrow
Looks largely unchanged.
Dthrow
Can combo of it at low to middle percents.
Final Smash
Sleep duration decreased
Damage decreased (40 > 20)
Now summons about three giant peaches instead of many small peaches. Each giant peach heals 20%.
Opponents can still avoid falling asleep by being airborne.
Opponents can still eat peaches and heal themselves.
It's still a mystery why they thought it was a good idea to nerf this already awful Final Smash.
Lord_Byron28
Member
Captain Toad, Metroid newcomer(Dark Samus or Ridley lol. Although I'd expect to be disappointed again as a Metroid fan), Zelda newcomer(Impa- she's been around for a while and Hyrule Warriors probably increased her popularity even more especially from recent appearances in SS and OoT 3D), DK newcomer( Cranky- I think he'd be more interesting moveset wise and he is technically the original arcade DK), Takamaru, Animal Crossing newcomer( Isabella or Tom Nook or both, AC is a large and popular enough franchise to justify three reps)
Who knows for sure though. A lot of the characters that made it in only came into existence/popularity from 2011-2013 when the game was in development. I doubt anyone would've predicted Rosalina, Wii Fit Trainer, Palutena, Greninja, Lucina, Dark Pit, and Robin for Smash 4 especially since only three of them existed before Brawl released, two of which were still pretty young.
I get so conflicted about whether or not I'm okay with Rare removed from the DK games. On one hand, we lost DK Racing. A game that was to take inspiration from GTA 3 and have you ride animals as karts. They also were making a Diddy Kong Racing game with Mario characters.
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On the other hand, I prefer the Retro Studios games (even if I miss some of the characters MIA) and Diddy Kong Pilot eventually had those Mario characters cut for a racist as hell Redneck Kong.
KLatin Scelus
Member
Personally, If I were to name someone who is rarely requested in Smash Bros.
I would want Electivire.
Twin-Electrical Tails? Check
Cool Design and Proportions? Check
Awesome Name? Check
It would be like DK and Pikachu in one!
I would want Electivire.
Twin-Electrical Tails? Check
Cool Design and Proportions? Check
Awesome Name? Check
It would be like DK and Pikachu in one!
A Link to the Past
Banned
If Paper Mario gets another game, I'd call him a lock. If Ridley misses playable status, I'm honestly done supporting him.
So...
If he gets a game, Paper Mario.
Captain Toad
Dixie Kong
Takamaru (he got a re-release, maybe Sakurai will call it good-enough?)
Any number of classic retro characters that show up in a new entry of their series. Ayumi, Lip, etc. If Mach Rider gets a sequel, Sakurai will definitely show up.
New Pokémon
Maybe Impa
New Fire Emblem character, maybe?
Inkling
Maybe a Codename S.T.E.A.M. character?
If AW gets a new game, I'd expect either a unit-based character or a CO
Marshal
So...
If he gets a game, Paper Mario.
Captain Toad
Dixie Kong
Takamaru (he got a re-release, maybe Sakurai will call it good-enough?)
Any number of classic retro characters that show up in a new entry of their series. Ayumi, Lip, etc. If Mach Rider gets a sequel, Sakurai will definitely show up.
New Pokémon
Maybe Impa
New Fire Emblem character, maybe?
Inkling
Maybe a Codename S.T.E.A.M. character?
If AW gets a new game, I'd expect either a unit-based character or a CO
Marshal
Neko Godot
Member
People have been hot on Captain Toad. I'd also like to see a newcomer from WarioWare.
But I expect the roster will be focused on adding more new series to Smash. So depending on reception, Splatoon and Project STEAM can provide some interesting fighters. We may get another retro revival (fingers crossed for Lip!). Maybe some out there fighter like a Style Savvy character, because why the heck not? But I'm expecting much less newcomers in Smash 6 than the current iterations.
Oh, that makes sense. I think it automatically embeds for mobile gaf.I was trying to embed it, but I can't figure it out
But next time I'll post x vs x or something.
Wow, those sheik vs greninja matches were fast as hell!
I really hope those types of characters end up being top tier, as they make smash 4 really exciting to watch!
astrogamer
Member
Peach also has a chance to pull out a bomb-omb with her down b. Not sure if that's new
PadWarrior
Member
Greninja Allstar mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A2Pri8b4dA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A2Pri8b4dA
I haven't watched this yet, but here's some pro Luigi vs. Duck Hunt play
Characters from as of yet unreleased games, like the Inklings. Don't expect anyone who hasn't had a big role in a game any earlier than 2013.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Save for a retro character or two, of course.
Lord_Byron28
Member
Really the only characters I miss would be Lanky Kong, Enguarde and Espresso. Lanky Kong in particular is a big missed opportunity gameplay wise. While I strongly dislike King K. Rool, I did kinda like the pirate Kremlin theme. If they kept some of the pirate themed enemies from DKC2, I wouldn't be opposed to that either. Just show King K. Rool's skeleton or skull somewhere to off hand explain why K. Rool isn't there.I get so conflicted about whether or not I'm okay with Rare removed from the DK games. On one hand, we lost DK Racing. A game that was to take inspiration from GTA 3 and have you ride animals as karts. They also were making a Diddy Kong Racing game with Mario characters.
On the other hand, I prefer the Retro Studios games (even if I miss some of the characters MIA) and Diddy Kong Pilot eventually had those Mario characters cut for a racist as hell Redneck Kong.
hipsterpants
Member
holy crap Greninja looks so good. might make him my main while I figure out how the hell to use Shulk.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I wonder if in a parallel universe, Rare wasn't sold.
Oh right. I keep constantly forgetting DHD is in this game, it's just so insane.
But yea, other than crazy retro characters, the cut off is typically a year or so before the last smash game.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Diddy Kong Racing GBA shoulda had
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
Kiddy Kong
Cranky Kong
King K. Rool
Lanky Kong
Funky Kong
Candy Kong
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Toad
Yoshi
Wario
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
Kiddy Kong
Cranky Kong
King K. Rool
Lanky Kong
Funky Kong
Candy Kong
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Toad
Yoshi
Wario
A Link to the Past
Banned
I don't know if Sakurai is against characters who are neither crazy retro or relevant - it's just how it happens to work out.
friskykillface
Banned
Dark Samus is powerful as hell in the game
why Sakurai why, give us that clone too
why Sakurai why, give us that clone too
A Link to the Past
Banned
No clone! I want Dark Samus to be able to hover and have a crazy floaty jump like Mewtwo
MannyToons
Member
If we actually end up getting Dark Samus in the future, the entire Metroid cast would consist of nothing but different versions of Samus. Ha. I guess the current decision has a lot to do with how Metroid is as a series. It's really not about the characters. It's just Samus in general isolation fighting some recurring monsters. Eh.
You mean for DS?
And ew. I'd rather DKR2 be Smash-style with B-tier Nintendo characters like Mallo, Dillon, Rusty, etc. Couid be really fun.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Yo, Dark Samus is a recurring monster, not a version of Samus.
I know! Two dark characters might be too much though.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Luigi feels pretty much the same, only differences is not green missile misfires stick in walls. I think anyone who used Luigi previously will be at home, and his fair/bairs actually feel a bit easier to pull off.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Then just call her Metroid Prime. That's equally accurate.
MannyToons
Member
I knooow, I know, but no one will really see it that way. Look at how everyone whines about Dark Pit being just another Pit when he's actually his own character. It won't matter to anyone, lol.
"COME ON, SAKURAI. THREE SAMUSES AND NO RIDLEY? YOU SHOULD JUST RETIRE AND LET SOMEONE MORE COMPETENT TAKE THE HELM!!one!1"
Sketch_Turntable
Member
Glad to see Pauletina and Greninja both look really fun.
Kinda bummed to hear Mega Man isn't great, but I'll still give him a go every once in awhile.
Haven't seen much of Shulk but doesn't look super cool. I think I might prefer Ike.
And dat purple Charizard of course.
Kinda bummed to hear Mega Man isn't great, but I'll still give him a go every once in awhile.
Haven't seen much of Shulk but doesn't look super cool. I think I might prefer Ike.
And dat purple Charizard of course.
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