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[Durden77]

It's all hot Cloud on Cloud action online.

I really dig him. He's a lot of fun. His limit break moves are all fun and useful too.

Haven't really played this game online in a long time. In the midsts of all the Clouds I played the best Duck Hunt I've ever seen, so that's cool.

 

[Cool_M]

Just a reminder that much of Sm4shGAF uses Discord chat to coordinate matchmaking. Quote this post for an invite.

thanks I'll check there

 

[RomanceDawn]

People are enjoying Cloud I see. I remember when Mewtwo hit it looked like everyone on 4Glory tried him twice and gave up. I'm seeing people really try because the potential is just a lot easier to envision.

 

[jorgejjvr]

I might be down to play against cloud tonight, will be a nice way to get back into the game

Nnid: jorgejjvr

 

[Masked Man]

I might be down to play against cloud tonight, will be a nice way to get back into the game

Nnid: jorgejjvr

Unrelated, but congrats on your engagement, buddy!

 

[jorgejjvr]

Unrelated, but congrats on your engagement, buddy!

Haha thanks man!!

 

[OricWindstar]

Haha thanks man!!

You still looking to play against Cloud? I should be jumping on in like 10.

Or anyone else.

 

[jorgejjvr]

You still looking to play against Cloud? I should be jumping on in like 10.

Or anyone else.

Sure thing, I'm down, let me know

 

[RomanceDawn]

So as a Bowser, DK and Charizard player what in the world can I do against Robin? Power Shielding is like a death sentence against his projectiles. Either I block and sit there until the animation finishes while Robin comes up for the grab or I try to roll/spot dodge only to get hit by the lasting fire or electric animation. As far as I can tell it's a lose lose situation. I just don't know where or when to punish once he starts firing projectiles.

I guess I just jump right over them but man it is not easy. Heavy guys who attempt the matchup give me some advice. I'd rather fight Sonic or Rosalina any day of the week, at least I don't feel helpless half the time.

 

[Karsticles]

So as a Bowser, DK and Charizard player what in the world can I do against Robin? Power Shielding is like a death sentence against his projectiles. Either I block and sit there until the animation finishes while Robin comes up for the grab or I try to roll/spot dodge only to get hit by the lasting fire or electric animation. As far as I can tell it's a lose lose situation. I just don't know where or when to punish once he starts firing projectiles.

I guess I just jump right over them but man it is not easy. Heavy guys who attempt the matchup give me some advice. I'd rather fight Sonic or Rosalina any day of the week, at least I don't feel helpless half the time.

SHAD through the fire.

 

[OricWindstar]

Sure thing, I'm down, let me know

Cool! Jumping on now. I think we're already friends, right?

Also, haven't had a chance to mess around with him much, so don't judge me too harshly!

 

[Cronox]

We'll talk again after you play Shamrock.

Even if he were to beat me half or more of the time with Cloud, it wouldn't mean anything. I mean, I've played really good Zelda players I've gone 50:50 with. Zelda is still a low tier character. Every character can be played well enough to win with in this game. But (sorry for the crossfire here Zelda players) neither of them is going to win a tournament. It'd be big news if they won a local.

 

[Karsticles]

Even if he were to beat me half or more of the time with Cloud, it wouldn't mean anything. I mean, I've played really good Zelda players I've gone 50:50 with. Zelda is still a low tier character. Every character can be played well enough to win with in this game. But (sorry for the crossfire here Zelda players) neither of them is going to win a tournament. It'd be big news if they won a local.

It should cause you to realize that you don't understand his potential, at least.

 

[jorgejjvr]

Cool! Jumping on now. I think we're already friends, right?

Also, haven't had a chance to mess around with him much, so don't judge me too harshly!

Getting on now

 

[OricWindstar]

Getting on now

Cool, I'll start a room.

 

[jorgejjvr]

Cool, I'll start a room.

If I use him, it's just to try him

I literally just bought him

What's your id, I might have deleted some people to create space, sorry!

Mine is: jorgejjvr

 

[OricWindstar]

If I use him, it's just to try him

I literally just bought him

What's your id, I might have deleted something people to create space, sorry!

Mine is: jorgejjvr

No worries! It's OricWindstar. I'll send you a request now.

 

[Captain Rage Quit 69]

Cloud is good, that much I'm sure of. Playing Shamrock showed me he has a style that can be made to work really well in the right hands, and though he may not be on the level of ZSS or Ryu I could conceivably see him be similar to Captain Falcon in terms of where people rank him among the roster.

It's still too early to cast judgments like this though. We were noticing flaws with Mewtwo within the first week, so I'm sure by this time next week we'll have a much better idea of how good Cloud actually is, but I think it's too early to give up hope. It's just too bad he seems like yet another character I can't pick up. ;__;

 

[jorgejjvr]

I am so rusty lol

 

[Karsticles]

I just learned about a new Mewtwo buff that is going to wreck faces. :-D

 

[OricWindstar]

I am so rusty lol

Haha, still kicking my ass. Still, definitely seeing potential in Cloud.

EDIT: Sorry, never done Midgar non-omega.

 

[jorgejjvr]

Well, I did not mean to do that xD

 

[OricWindstar]

And I did not mean to do that.

 

[jorgejjvr]

And I did not mean to do that.

We even now!!

Haha

 

[OricWindstar]

Hahaha, and on that, I think I'll call it a night. Fun games!

 

[jorgejjvr]

Hahaha, and on that, I think I'll call it a night. Fun games!

For sure, ggs man, thanks that was fun!

 

[Icyflamez96]

I need to hop on this real quick. Want to play me some Clouds

 

[Shamrock7r]

looking for matches if anyone wants to go against my Cloud

edot: found someone on discord gaf chat

 

[MagiusNecros]

Cloud is alright. I like him. I have way more fun as Super Bowser though right now.

And no I'm not playing anyone at the moment. Haven't bothered to update my Wii U version. Xenoblade gonna keep me busy for a while.

 

[Captain Rage Quit 69]

Cloud is alright. I like him. I have way more fun as Super Bowser though right now.

And no I'm not playing anyone at the moment. Haven't bothered to update my Wii U version. Xenoblade gonna keep me busy for a while.

B-but how can you not update and play Cloud? D:

 

[FSLink]

You do realize that Duck Hunt is much heavier than Mewtwo and builds damage faster than him, right?

Plus, just compare DHD's throw frame data to Mewtwo's:
Grabs Hitbox Active FAF
Standing Grab 8-9 29
Dash Grab 10-11 36
Pivot Grab 10-11 34

Grabs Hitbox Active FAF
Standing Grab 7-8 36
Dash Grab 9-10 43
Pivot Grab 10-11 41

So if you want your throw hitbox shrunk to about 1/3 of what it is right now and you want it to recover about 7 frames slower across the board, becoming significantly less safe, and you want Mewtwo's lowest weight in the game status plus trouble getting hits in, then by all means enjoy your KO throw!

Lucas doesn't have anything resembling a kill throw. You can always DI out of it at kill %. Lucas needs reads to kill.

Lucas: Up throw? Down throw -> up air is also incredibly easy to get at the proper percents, following the DI is super simple.

Also I'm aware of Duck Hunt's damage building, so uh, thanks? You can drop the snarkiness man, we're just having a conversation. C'mon I use the character in tournaments.

The issue is that most characters outside of people like Fox can *EVENTUALLY* kill with a grab. Also you have characters like Pit which have the following:

Grabs Hitbox Active FAF
Standing Grab 6-7 30
Dash Grab 8-9 37
Pivot Grab 9-10 35

He doesn't have issues getting throws, and although I don't feel Duck Hunt should kill near the ledge with fthrow like Pit/Dark Pit as early, I do think Duck Hunt needs some kill setups. Whether it'd be dthrow angle change so he can bait for uairs, or reducing sourspot on nair. You can mostly shield Duck Hunt's projectiles all day with little consequence too. He needs better grab reward (not necessarily a kill throw, but like I said if he got one, I'd make it only kill at like 180% or something high). His projectile game isn't even as strong as others if you understand how to clash with the disk and can.

Also I'm all for Duck Hunt having only kills just on smash reads. But they don't even work properly, people constantly fall out of them, and on top of that, they're highly telegraphed.

 

[Karsticles]

Lucas: Up throw? Down throw -> up air is also incredibly easy to get at the proper percents, following the DI is super simple.

Also I'm aware of Duck Hunt's damage building, so uh, thanks? You can drop the snarkiness man, we're just having a conversation.

The issue is that most characters outside of people like Fox can *EVENTUALLY* kill with a grab. Also you have characters like Pit which have the following:

Grabs Hitbox Active FAF
Standing Grab 6-7 30
Dash Grab 8-9 37
Pivot Grab 9-10 35

He doesn't have issues getting throws, and although I don't feel Duck Hunt should kill near the ledge with fthrow like Pit/Dark Pit as early, I do think Duck Hunt needs some kill setups. Whether it'd be dthrow angle change so he can bait for uairs, or reducing sourspot on nair. You can mostly shield Duck Hunt's projectiles all day with little consequence too. He needs better grab reward (not necessarily a kill throw, but like I said if he got one, I'd make it only kill at like 180% or something high).

Also I'm all for Duck Hunt having only kills just on smash reads. But they don't even work properly, people constantly fall out of them, and on top of that, they're highly telegraphed.

I don't know why you always think I'm being snarky when I disagree with you.

Some characters kill off of throws, others don't. DHD has pretty good shield pressure.

You can DI out of Lucas combo throw after a while, and Uthrow isn't a "kill throw". A kill throw is specifically a throw that kills at low %, not just any throw that kills eventually.

DHD having a throw that kills at 180% or something would be fine.

 

[FSLink]

I don't know why you always think I'm being snarky when I disagree with you.

Some characters kill off of throws, others don't. DHD has pretty good shield pressure.

You can DI out of Lucas combo throw after a while, and Uthrow isn't a "kill throw". A kill throw is specifically a throw that kills at low %, not just any throw that kills eventually.

DHD having a throw that kills at 180% or something would be fine.

It comes off as aggressive when you aren't meaning to. I have thick skin, but you might accidentally alienate people who are observing the conversation. Plus saying something like I don't know that Duck Hunt deals a lot of damage comes across as snarky man.

I specifically said a throw that kills at a high percent in my 2nd post. Also again, I said you can follow the DI for Lucas's dthrow at certain percents with relative ease.

 

[NamikazeBurst]

Please tell me the secret DI to not die to Lucas throw to uair. I would appreciate it.

 

[Captain Rage Quit 69]

I just bought an amiibo for $0.39, king of life decisions here.

 

[Karsticles]

It comes off as aggressive when you aren't meaning to. I have thick skin, but you might accidentally alienate people who are observing the conversation. Plus saying something like I don't know that Duck Hunt deals a lot of damage comes across as snarky man.

I specifically said a throw that kills at a high percent in my 2nd post. Also again, I said you can follow the DI for Lucas's dthrow at certain percents with relative ease.

I didn't say you don't know that Duck Hunt deals a lot of damage, but if you understand that he does, it's clear why he doesn't have a kill throw.

I checked your second post and didn't see anything about "kills at a high percent", which is a vague term anyway. If at some point you flip-flopped on the point you were arguing for, I clearly missed it, though.

Please tell me the secret DI to not die to Lucas throw to uair. I would appreciate it.

If your % is high enough, he can't follow it up when you DI away. There's a very specific % it kills at, but then beyond that you're safe, kind of like Pikachu.

 

[TWILT]

I just bought an amiibo for $0.39, king of life decisions here.

pls

I just bought a Ness one off Amazon yesterday as an early Christmas present for myself ._.

 

[Captain Rage Quit 69]

pls

I just bought a Ness one off Amazon yesterday as an early Christmas present for myself ._.

God bless America.

I wonder if Shamrock ever got his Ness amiibo....

 

[Teknoman]

Any pro tips on the best way to use grabs/land a grab?

 

[CertifiedFP]

Any pro tips on the best way to use grabs/land a grab?

Whenever someone is staying still from shielding/recovery time, or Counter-Spamming.

Loving Cloud so far, it seems that he's the perfect match against other Sword characters with the length of his sword relative to the Fire Emblem cast's. I've been able to attack Lucina from outside of her counter-attack range, among other attacks she has. I'd imagine the same is true about Marth and Roy. He seems to be absolutely fucked against Sonic and Kirby though as far as I've played.

 

[Karsticles]

Any pro tips on the best way to use grabs/land a grab?

Play some folks here and see how we use them.

Whenever someone is staying still from shielding/recovery time, or Counter-Spamming.

Loving Cloud so far, it seems that he's the perfect match against other Sword characters with the length of his sword relative to the Fire Emblem cast's. I've been able to attack Lucina from outside of her counter-attack range, among other attacks she has. I'd imagine the same is true about Marth and Roy. He seems to be absolutely fucked against Sonic and Kirby though as far as I've played.

Side B > Spindash.

 

[Out_Of_Ammo]

I don't know what the announcer says when you select Cloud, but it sure doesn't sound like "Cloud" to me.

 

[Shamrock7r]

We should put together a Neogaf tourney while there is some more than usual interest right now. I would say we should try to do a 1 day tourney

 

[Karsticles]

We should put together a Neogaf tourney while there is some more than usual interest right now. I would say we should try to do a 1 day tourney

Do it.

 

[RellyRell28]

So is there still no 1v1 mode in tourney lobbies?

 

[XaosWolf]

I'd love to join some of you guys and gals, but I only ACT pro and would be Smash'd by SmashGAF.

(Judging by the hitbox and frame stuff posted)

Super digging Cloud though, which I'm thankful for because my reaction to his reveal was the same as Max's. =P

 

[Captain Rage Quit 69]

We should put together a Neogaf tourney while there is some more than usual interest right now. I would say we should try to do a 1 day tourney

Sounds like fun if we can gather interest.

So is there still no 1v1 mode in tourney lobbies?

Nope

I'd love to join some of you guys and gals, but I only ACT pro and would be Smash'd by SmashGAF.

(Judging by the hitbox and frame stuff posted)

Super digging Cloud though, which I'm thankful for because my reaction to his reveal was the same as Max's. =P

You can always play with us, we don't bite. New people are always welcome.

 

[Deleted member 125677]

Bought Cloud, time to get back in. It's been a gooooood while, but I guess this is one of the good things about DLC - makes you pick games up again

 

[Out_Of_Ammo]

Every time I play as Cloud I'm thinking I'd rather be playing as Bayonetta.

 

[backlot]

Anybody else really enjoying Dark Pit's new side B buff? Edge guarding all the For Glory Clouds is pretty funny.