Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U Thread 10: Against the Odds, We Choose to Hype!

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Beelzebufo said:
That's the more complex explanation in this case lol. Simpler explination says that she's not a legit newcomer.
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... Wut?

I'm sorry but I'm really baffled by this debate over her legit character hood.
Soooo ... when did an alt get it's own splash title? When did you ever select a clone from some other character's icon? How is she any less of a character than Falco or Toon link?

WTF am I reading?
 
Captain Falcon has been my main since 64 so it was great to see him looking final boss-like and kicking ass. Even when Robin intervenes, Falcon just acrobatted away from the attack, totally ready for it.
 
SmithnCo said:
They've never cared about clones having their own slots before. They are slots on a select screen, they don't mean anything. Rolling her into Marth's slot does nothing but confuse people who want to play as Lucina.
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Exactly. Whereas Wii Fit Trainer F/M, Robin M/F, and Villager M/F are interchangable because they do no have separate characterization Marth/Lucina is not.

That'd be like making Luigi selectable as a Mario alt.
 
Currently watching live reactions on Youtube; disappointed as fuck that so many people didn't recognize Robin the second he showed up.
 
SUPERJEM94 said:
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omg. dead
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LOL
 
ionitron said:
I know one of the main reasons that she doesn't have a long banner is because she shares the same artwork as Robin there, but they could have just cropped the part that she appears in in the art to make a long banner work. Kind of a shame because the image is soooooo good.
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Oh I agree. Everything about Lucina is soooo good. I'm all for Lucina in Smash and Super happy about her reveal.
 
SmithnCo said:
They've never cared about clones having their own slots before. They are slots on a select screen, they don't mean anything. Rolling her into Marth's slot does nothing but confuse people who want to play as Lucina.
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She might be the female counterpart to Marth. Like there being a male and female WFT.
 
I thought it was only an English flair (since the Japanese version all have the same "Enters the Battle" kanji), but Lucina in the Japanese trailer also has "?!" on it. I wonder why.
 
Black-Wind said:
... Wut?

I'm sorry but I'm really baffled by this debate over her legit character hood.
Soooo ... when did an alt get it's own splash title? When did you ever select a clone from some other character's icon? How is she any less of a character than Falco or Toon link?

WTF am I reading?
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You're reading a typical Beelzebufo post.
 
How amazing would it have been if today they came out with DLC for awakening that is your entire squad vs. a melee Captain Falcon.
 
Distresssss said:
Just so everyone is on the same page and so I can clear this hilarious misconception up, Lucina is her own seperate character. She's not selectable from Marth like the WiiFitTrainer/Villager/Robin.

"oh but on the site she doesn't have a long rectangle banner like Robin"

Oh but she does on mobile.

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She hasn't been given the same treatment as any other new character: no poster, barely any footage on the reveal trailer. She has the same armature and animations as Marth, and we´ve seen that characters can have different models now, not just texture swaps. I thin it makes way more sense for her to be a aestethic option than a character with an slot on the roster. And the way the reveal was handled supports all of this in my opinion.
 
theprodigy said:
watch when FExSMT is a 2v2 fighting game like TTT2 or SFxT :P
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Good thing it's been confirmed that it'll be an RPG long ago :P Though I suppose a lot could have changed since then.

Also, a little rant: On the German site, Robin is called Daraen. The same thing happened on the FE: Awakening site before release. On Twitter, Nintendo Germany posted that Lucina and Daraen come to Smash. Nothing wrong there, right?

Well, except that Robin is actually still Robin in the actual game, and is only ever refered to as Daraen by Nintendo's PR. If they manage to put the wrong name into Smash Bros., I'll rage so hard.
 
Hmm, I still wonder if that leak just had outdated info. Like Sakurai WAS thinking of Chrom, but switched to Robin because of moveset difficulties or something. I say this, because I still REALLY want Shulk in. D:

Oh well, least I got Lucy out of this.
 
Cross post http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=120978580&postcount=1301

Looks like Robin uses the bronze sword by default and can somehow at some point switch to the levin sword.

http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Bronze_Sword
http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Levin_Sword

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Really interested to know how he works. Are different tomes tied to different specials (arcwind is up b?) or does his down special switch books and neutral does the power? Are the different elements just changeable custom moves? It's very unique but also very confusing.
 
Heyt said:
She hasn't been given the same treatment as any other new character: no poster, barely any footage on the reveal trailer. She has the same armature and animations as Marth, and we´ve seen that characters can have different models now, not just texture swaps. I thin it makes way more sense for her to be a aestethic option than a character with an slot on the roster. And the way the reveal was handled supports all of this in my opinion.
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Just so you are aware, you are wrong. I'm not trying to attack you. She would not have her own banner, let alone character page on the site if it was otherwise.

Sakurai will probably show more details on her moves in due time. Robin was the bigger reveal and got more screen time due to being more unique.

She is an entirely separately selectable character like Marth and Ike are.
 
I figured the question mark was there to make you doubt her inclusion when robin appeared.

like "Oh, it's not Lucina, it was robin".
 
Boss Doggie said:
I thought it was only an English flair (since the Japanese version all have the same "Enters the Battle" kanji), but Lucina in the Japanese trailer also has "?!" on it. I wonder why.
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Maybe it's a joke about Chrom being the favourite. We see knocked out on the floor and Lucina steps forward. Trailer is surprised she's the newcomer and not him.
 
Beelzebufo said:
I'm saying there's a possibility she's an alt, which there is. Why are you so hostile? Calm down.
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Why would she be an alt? Why would they go through the effort to make her an entirely new character and then toss her in as a different costume for a more or less unrelated character? Every other alt shown so far has either been the same person (Mac's hoodie) or an alternate gender to an unspecific character (Villager, Wii Fit Trainer and Robin)

There's no reason at all she's an alt. None what so ever.
 
Mr. Smiley said:
What is this '?' People are talking about?
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Watch the trailer. It's something like "Lucina draws her sword?!"

Either way, she's obviously more of a clone than even Toon Link, and so far she's one of the only newcomers to not get art in her profile. She also didn't get her own trailer. It's entirely possible that she's a "Newcomer" that's actually just an alt costume.

balladofwindfishes said:
Why would she be an alt? Why would they go through the effort to make her an entirely new character and then toss her in as a different costume for a more or less unrelated costume? Every other alt shown so far has either been the same person (Mac's hoodie) or an alternate gender to an unspecific character (Villager, Wii Fit Trainer and Robin)

There's no reason at all she's an alt. None what so ever.
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She's not an entirely new character though, her moves are Marth's moves.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Sakurai say that we were nearing the bottom of the list for newcomer videos?

That doesn't necessarily mean that we've seen nearly all the newcomers; some may be unlockable characters, who won't be revealed via a video. Lucario, ROB, Toon Link, and Wolf weren't announced on the Brawl dojo until after the game was released.

In any case, it's looking like 50 characters is a possibility. We're already up to 36 (I'm counting Mii as one character). And chances are good we'll get at least some, if not all of the following:

- Ice Climbers
- Metaknight
- Jigglypuff
- Mewtwo
- Ness
- Lucas
- Falco
- Wolf
- Ganondorf
- Mr. Game and Watch
- ROB
- Snake
- Wario


Plus, the comment "we're nearing the end of the newcomer videos" certainly suggests that we've got at least one more.
 
JoeInky said:
I figured the question mark was there to make you doubt her inclusion when robin appeared.

like "Oh, it's not Lucina, it was robin".
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Her reveal was a little anticlimactic too. I dunno, I believe all the other newcomers had this slight air of mystery in their trailers that eventually led up to them. Lucina wasn't built up at all so I was like "There's something else here, right?"
 
So many surprises today: Rayman trophy, Playable Robin, No playable chrom and CAPTAIN FALCON!!.

for me Captain falcon was the best of today, he is so badass!!

also the is still hope for Isaac and Takamaru :)
 
I always put the exclamation mark before the question mark. I went out of my way to learn about grammar from this reveal.
 
balladofwindfishes said:
Why would she be an alt? Why would they go through the effort to make her an entirely new character and then toss her in as a different costume for a more or less unrelated costume? Every other alt shown so far has either been the same person (Mac's hoodie) or an alternate gender to an unspecific character (Villager, Wii Fit Trainer and Robin)

There's no reason at all she's an alt. None what so ever.
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There is if you do not like her which the people arguing most against her being her own character have shown in the past.
 
Beelzebufo said:
Watch the trailer. It's something like "Lucina draws her sword?!"

Either way, she's obviously more of a clone than even Toon Link, and so far she's one of the only newcomers to not get art in her profile. She also didn't get her own trailer. It's entirely possible that she's a "Newcomer" that's actually just an alt costume.
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Or, she was put in as a clone because she's a popular character and it would take less work, but the main reveal was Robin who has a unique moveset.

An alt costume with a page on the site is not a "newcomer."
 
Beelzebufo said:
But with a ?
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No, with a "!?", as in punctuation expressing shocked confusion at an unexpected turn of events, ie, Lucina being in over Chrom.

Beelzebufo said:
then proceeds to show that she's the same as Marth.
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You see small snippets of footage in which she appears outwardly similar to Marth, much like many standalone newcomers in the Smash Bros series being similar to existing ones, yes.

Beelzebufo said:
She also doesn't have her own art.
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Robin's art is shared between them. Lucina is drawn right next to Robin in an equal place of prominence as newcomer.

Beelzebufo said:
It's definitely not a sure thing.
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No, it really is.
 
Shotgun Kiss said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Sakurai say that we were nearing the bottom of the list for newcomer videos?

That doesn't necessarily mean that we've seen nearly all the newcomers; some may be unlockable characters, who won't be revealed via a video. Lucario, ROB, Toon Link, and Wolf weren't announced on the Brawl dojo until after the game was released.

In any case, it's looking like 50 characters is a possibility. We're already up to 36 (I'm counting Mii as one character). And chances are good we'll get at least some, if not all of the following:

- Ice Climbers
- Metaknight
- Jigglypuff
- Mewtwo
- Ness
- Lucas
- Falco
- Wolf
- Ganondorf
- Mr. Game and Watch
- ROB
- Snake
- Wario


Plus, the comment "we're nearing the end of the newcomer videos" certainly suggests that we've got at least one more.
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Sakurai said that he wants every newcomer to have a video.


EmCeeGramr said:
No, with a "!?", as in punctuation expressing shocked confusion at an unexpected turn of events, ie, Lucina being in over Chrom.


You see small snippets of footage in which she appears outwardly similar to Marth, much like many standalone newcomers in the Smash Bros series being similar to existing ones, yes.


Robin's art is shared between them. Lucina is drawn right next to Robin in an equal place of prominence as newcomer.



No, it really is.
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She has literally the exact same moves as Marth, we haven't seen that in a while (ever?). And the art is on Robin's page, not Lucinas. All I'm saying is that until we see a select screen or hear otherwise from Sakurai, it's not a sure thing. Everyone who says it's definitely one way or the other is gonna look stupid if it ends up being something else.
 
PadWarrior said:
I was thinking if buying it. If I got the Marth and Ike dlc can I use them from the start?
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The DLC is actually a mission where you have to recruit them. I think you have to play like 4 missions before you can do the DLC stuff. I never used them because they can't marry anyone.
 
About Lucina not having art like the other newcomers... really guys?

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They just decided not to post the same art for two different characters the same day, giving priority to the newcomer which isn't a clone.
 
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