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[ratcliffja]

Not a chance. No Ice Climbers...

Look at the second picture. Ice Climbers would still be possible given this scenario as separate DLC.

 

[Vuapol]

Isn't everything about that tweet a joke though?

Touché.

 

[Cse]

Evidence for version connectivity unlockables:

Wii U: Chorus Men, Ridley, Dixie and Mewtwo.
3DS: DHD, Bowser Jr, Dark Pit, Dr Mario

They actually fit into the 3DS roster nicely.

http://i.imgur.com/PliZwku.png

and can support DLC nicely.

http://i.imgur.com/JajAywn.png



Next, none of the above newcomers have trailers revealed. Its possible none of these characters have trailers at all, as they are version exclusives.This would explain a lot in this sense.

Nintendo needs incentives to sell both games. They do this often, with games like Pokemon series. Having unlockable characters by owning both versions is one of the best ways to push both games. Especially when they need to push sales on the Wii U. It would actually make less sense to not include a feature like this from a marketing standpoint.

We have not seen trophies of either of the 4 Wii U characters yet. I know Karate Joe doesnt have a symbol, but the series symbols are overlayed behind the text, and this can be an easy fix with a future patch. For that matter, the polar bear does't have a symbol, yet many believe ICs are a strong candidate for DLC. If you belief they can be DLC, then you'd have to believe having no symbol now means nothing at the moment.

For this to be true, Gematsu would have to be true. Gematsu failed to account for the 3DS exclusive characters. Its very possible the leaker only had inside information with the Wii U version's marketing.

Then we have the /v/ leaker, who claimed these characters are in the game. Please refer to this thread for more details. http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/70028141

Lastly....if this is true, then this means the 4 characters above are indeed in the games files. While 3DS hacking is difficult, it has been done, and I'd assume it wont be long before people start digging into the games coding. We won't have to wait long to know for sure.

Also Neo Zero said he heard the same as spainkiller

Sorry, but version specific characters aren't going to happen. Sakurai has been explicit and insistent in his message that the rosters between the two versions are identical. He is NOT going to require players to own both versions of the game to unlock all of the characters, as implementing such a concept would result in hundreds of thousands of players not having the ability to play the full roster.

Not going to happen.

A free DLC update for the 3DS when the Wii U version hits is a realistic possibility. It would certainly generate renewed hype for the Wii U version. However, I just don't expect this to happen. I've watched for the past 4 weeks as fans put together some incredibly convincing and elaborate arguments for the "final five"...and what happened? The leak was final. Now, we're on to DLC, and trying to convince ourselves that DLC will give us the final remaining newcomers. I'm not holding out hope.

If, however, it does happen, it will be free DLC for the 3DS. They're NOT going to require fans to own both systems and both copies of the game to unlock the full roster.

 

[munchie64]

Nintendo like money. There will be DLC.

 

[Kinsei]

Because of the roster? It was 4 cuts. Damn.

Your lost.

It might not be just the cuts. There's a chance that none of the characters he wanted in made it. I know that feeling.

Hopefully DuckHunt and Jr. are fun enough to make me forget my pain.

 

[theprodigy]

Any rumor/theory including Ridley as a playable character is pretty much instantly dismissed by me.

He'll never, ever be a character.
I swear I'll take a naked ice bath if it ever happens.

*takes note*

I better see footage

Spoiler

not like you'll need to anytime soon

 

[Regulus Tera]

DLC is SO coming after what happened to Mario Kart 8, c'mon.

 

[The Captain]

Any rumor/theory including Ridley as a playable character is pretty much instantly dismissed by me.

He'll never, ever be a character.
I swear I'll take a naked ice bath if it ever happens.

At the very least, we know he's not a character this time. If he's not in the 3DS roster, he never will be - we already know he's in the Wii U version, so we know for sure that he's a stage hazard.

 

[Josephl64]

You have no idea how much I fucking love this.

Everything about Duck Hunt Dog is fucking perfect. His moveset not being limited to Duck Hunt but instead paying homage to the NES Zapper games as a whole is one of the most genius things Sakurai has ever done. It got me so hyped. I am going to play the shit out of this character.

I feel the same way...it's such an amazing feeling to see this happen, I really want to play him right now ~

 

[MetatronM]

Haven't they said several times that though each version will have exclusive stages, items, modes, etc. the one thing the 3DS and Wii U games will share is the identical roster?

 

[-Horizon-]

Noa please give us the demo tomorrow

It would make my day.

Spoiler

only my day

 

[Mariolee]

Any rumor/theory including Ridley as a playable character is pretty much instantly dismissed by me.

He'll never, ever be a character.
I swear I'll take a naked ice bath if it ever happens.

Bookmarked.

 

[Violet_0]

Larry'd.

these are awesome. Lemmy has always been the best koopa kid

also, I just noticed that they retconned Iggy's hair color

 

[ffdgh]

DLC is SO coming after what happened to Mario Kart 8, c'mon.

Tanooki mario and cat peach hype!

 

[JoeInky]

I JUST started maining wolf this week on project M. Now no wolf makes me a sad man child. At least I got my space goddess!

SMASH 4 US CAN'T COME SOON ENOUGH

If you're a silver lining kind of guy, at least now you don't have to be disappointed that Wolf is worse than his PM version? I guess?


I'm glad I didn't pick up Falco again in PM, I'd be so disappointed with the Sm4sh version haha, instead I back the Ganondorf/Ness/Dr Mario shaped horses and came out on top.

 

[MetaWaddleDoo]

Evidence for version connectivity unlockables:

Wii U: Chorus Men, Ridley, Dixie and Mewtwo.
3DS: DHD, Bowser Jr, Dark Pit, Dr Mario

They actually fit into the 3DS roster nicely.

http://i.imgur.com/PliZwku.png

and can support DLC nicely.

http://i.imgur.com/JajAywn.png



Next, none of the above newcomers have trailers revealed. Its possible none of these characters have trailers at all, as they are version exclusives.This would explain a lot in this sense.

Nintendo needs incentives to sell both games. They do this often, with games like Pokemon series. Having unlockable characters by owning both versions is one of the best ways to push both games. Especially when they need to push sales on the Wii U. It would actually make less sense to not include a feature like this from a marketing standpoint.

We have not seen trophies of either of the 4 Wii U characters yet. I know Karate Joe doesnt have a symbol, but the series symbols are overlayed behind the text, and this can be an easy fix with a future patch. For that matter, the polar bear does't have a symbol, yet many believe ICs are a strong candidate for DLC. If you belief they can be DLC, then you'd have to believe having no symbol now means nothing at the moment.

For this to be true, Gematsu would have to be true. Gematsu failed to account for the 3DS exclusive characters. Its very possible the leaker only had inside information with the Wii U version's marketing.

Then we have the /v/ leaker, who claimed these characters are in the game. Please refer to this thread for more details. http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/70028141

Lastly....if this is true, then this means the 4 characters above are indeed in the games files. While 3DS hacking is difficult, it has been done, and I'd assume it wont be long before people start digging into the games coding. We won't have to wait long to know for sure.

Also Neo Zero said he heard the same as spainkiller

It'd be interesting to see a CSS mockup of the supposed Wii U version with DHD/Jr/Doc/Dark Pit cut and Chorus/Ridley/Dixie/Mewtwo thrown in with all the known characters and see how it lines up. That might be just enough to make this theory more convincing. Either way, I shouldn't get my hopes up at all.

 

[Platy]

The final roster being that is probably the biggest crown I ever ate on GAF =|

That still makes no sense, SPECIALY after confirming that Dr Mario is not exactly a clone since he is Meele's Doc Mario (tatsumaki instead of fludd)

 

[Vanillalite]

If anyone needs an extra cheap system for Smash on the go GameStop has the 2ds for $99 in their weekly ad.

 

[TheOGB]

anyone know where i can find the 8 bit version of smash theme in this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk7iCDEZSMs

That's Bulbamike's rendition

 

[Exile20]

The gameplay is also a little disappointing, coming from a Project M/Melee/64 perspective.

I could see someone not minding a bad roster if they thought the gameplay would be fine or not minding bad gameplay if the roster was great, but if both are disappointing to you I could see people being a bit upset.

He mentioned nothing about gameplay. You are probably the one that is disappointed with it.

The other guy only talked about the roster.

Are there still smash 64 purist out there that will play nothing unless it plays exactly like 64?

 

[IntelliHeath]

Updated All-Stars icon thanks to Gema.

It's awesome to see Duck Hunt in the picture, and nice to know that it's confirmed that we got all characters.

Someone needs to analyze the data on the 3DS cartridge and see if there is character data for dixie, chorus men, ridley and mewtwo.

Zipzo is looking really silly right now.

Yeah, I'm very curious with the cut characters in the files, along with DLC slots (or those 4 characters)

Sheriff is already an Assist Trophy.

Yeah, I'm excited about that AT.

Yep, no Isaac or Ray MK assist trophies in the 3DS version. The game said all the profile icons were unlocked and all the ATs are there.

I wonder why Isaac and Ray MK are not there. Especially with the fact that Camelot shown up in the credit.

 

[Kriken]

That's just mean ;_;

 

[Pikma]

Fucking leak ruined everything

 

[Starphoenix]

Sorry, but version specific characters aren't going to happen. Sakurai has been explicit and insistent in his message that the rosters between the two versions are identical. He is NOT going to require players to own both versions of the game to unlock all of the characters, as implementing such a concept would result in hundreds of thousands of players not having the ability to play the full roster.

Not going to happen.

A free DLC update for the 3DS when the Wii U version hits is a realistic possibility. It would certainly generate renewed hype for the Wii U version. However, I just don't expect this to happen. I've watched for the past 4 weeks as fans put together some incredibly convincing and elaborate arguments for the "final five"...and what happened? The leak was final. Now, we're on to DLC, and trying to convince ourselves that DLC will give us the final remaining newcomers. I'm not holding out hope.

If, however, it does happen, it will be free DLC for the 3DS. They're NOT going to require fans to own both systems and both copies of the game to unlock the full roster.

I'll repeat my theory:

- Owners of both Wii U and 3DS version get characters for free.
- 3DS only owners pay some fixed price for the character pack (let's go with $4.99).

 

[Icelandic_Jazz]

Well um.

That's disappointing.

Still happy with the game and the roster but Sakurai dropped the ball with some of the biggest fan requests. Even just one of the most sought after characters and I'd be happy. But no Ridley, K. Rool, Dixie, Chorus Kids, Mewtwo. The cuts are pretty painful too.

Hey at least we got Dark PIt. Lots of work there.

 

[Opinionatedfish]

Any rumor/theory including Ridley as a playable character is pretty much instantly dismissed by me.

He'll never, ever be a character.
I swear I'll take a naked ice bath if it ever happens.

This would have to be for charity and not completely naked so you can YouTube it.

 

[Mik317]

I ask of you all...to not get your hopes up for DLC.

It will make the inevitable fall hurt less.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

-snip

Wow, not even undeniable evidence is enough to stop the Smashgaf hype train. We're clearly on this train to the very end.

"Believe" indeed.

 

[Kjellson]

Does anyone have any videos of the Koopalings?

 

[Ahnez]

Smash is the new Pokemon.

Secret Character distribution event coming

Spoiler

only in Japan

 

[zroid]

Larry'd.

My hero

 

[A Link to the Past]

So how close are we to beating the 70 challenges currently unlocked? I want to see how much there may be.

 

[Kinsei]

I ask of you all...to not get your hopes up for DLC.

It will make the inevitable fall hurt less.

I would have said the same if it wasn't for the MK8 DLC. If that gets DLC you know Smash will. Even if Sakurai doesn't supervise it.

 

[The Great Gonzales]

I wonder why Isaac and Ray MK are not there. Especially with the fact that Camelot shown up in the credit.

Isn't Camelot there because of Waluigi? He's their character, right?

 

[Neoriceisgood]

Morton!

 

[-Horizon-]

I ask of you all...to not get your hopes up for DLC.

It will make the inevitable fall hurt less.

Nintendo would be downright stupid to not have DLC or character updates/patches.

 

[Spinluck]

Noa please give us the demo tomorrow

Please stop getting my hopes up.

 

[CrunchyFrog]

DLC is SO coming after what happened to Mario Kart 8, c'mon.

I'd be willing to avatar bet that we'll have news of character and stage dlc by this time next year.

 

[SaintMadeOfPlaster]

So much denial in this thread.

The roster we have is final, and it's great. If it weren't for the ESRB leak, we'd be so full of hype right now.

 

[Kyzon]

The clip only lasts a fraction of a second. Ridley didn't have time to do anything. Besides, when Ridley grabs Samus in Super Metroid he doesn't really do anything, either. He just grabs her and holds her in the air and drops her. Sometimes he might hit her with his tail or something but that's kinda random. And you should be able to break free of that kind of thing.

While true, he does have a point though. Ridley doesn't do anything with Pikachu. Every single other boss with a grab attack does something and you can't just immediately break out. I for one would love Ridley to be playable since I think a flight based moveset would be pretty interesting to see.

Though Ridley when grabbing Samus hits her with his tail, slams her, drags her around or just burns her iirc.

 

[JoeInky]

He mentioned nothing about gameplay. You are probably the one that is disappointed with it.

The other guy only talked about the roster.

Are there still smash 64 purist out there that will play nothing unless it plays exactly like 64?

Yes to the last part and I was probably projecting on the first bit, but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Hatchtag]

I ask of you all...to not get your hopes up for DLC.

It will make the inevitable fall hurt less.

This is Smash Bros, it'd just be wrong not to get our hopes up for things that won't happen.

 

[Fiktion]

I would have said the same if it wasn't for the MK8 DLC. If that gets DLC you know Smash will. Even if Sakurai doesn't supervise it.

There's no way any potential DLC would not be supervised by Sakurai.

 

[ffdgh]

Morton!

Ha it's weird not seeing morton's mouth constantly open after mario kart 8.

 

[Kinsei]

Isn't Camelot there because of Waluigi? He's their character, right?

Even though Camelot made him, Nintendo owns him.

So much denial in this thread.

The roster we have is final, and it's great. If it weren't for the ESRB leak, we'd be so full of hype right now.

I doubt many would be super hyped after finding out there was only two new characters, and a new clone that we didn't know about.

I disagree with the great part.

 

[Labrynian Rebel]

lol, remember when people thought Ness was cut in favor of Lucas.

To be fair for Melee Ness WAS going to be cut in favor of Lucas, but then Mother 3 got canceled (it started as a Nintendo 64 game) then Ness was saved. Then Lucas got added in for Brawl because Mother 3's scraps got refashioned into a GBA game (Miyamoto thought the game was so good it needed to get finished in some form) and they wanted him to advertise the new Mother game.

Sadly, Japan didn't really like Mother 3 so the ad was for naught, but it did help him get a fanbase in 'murica. And considering what happened to the last *cough* Roy *cough* advertisement character we should have seen this coming. Still depressed as all get out at the moment....

 

[Starphoenix]

I ask of you all...to not get your hopes up for DLC.

It will make the inevitable fall hurt less.

There's going to be DLC. This is one of their biggest cash cows outside of Mario Kart, and the most lucrative game for them to have DLC. Sakurai was at least open to the idea a year and a half ago. There's really no doubt there will be DLC, it's just a matter of if there will be character packs or not.

 

[Pokedude1013]

So much denial in this thread.

The roster we have is final, and it's great. If it weren't for the ESRB leak, we'd be so full of hype right now.

this

 

[Josephl64]

Nintendo would be downright stupid to not have DLC or character updates/patches.

if Miku actually appears as DLC...I have so many bets with people I'll have to pay back

 

[The Great Gonzales]

Even though Camelot made him, Nintendo owns him.

But does Camelot show up in the credits any time Waluigi is in a game?