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Super Smash Bros. for Wii U |OT2| Only Game Where You Can Beat Up The Duck Hunt Dog
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Twilight Princess
Member
My grabs always miss, can you guys give me some tips? I just can't seem to pull off grabs consistently...
Karsticles
Member
Sometimes I have had this happen (I think - I should have saved the replay):
1) Fortress.
2) Opponent is tripped on the last few hits of fortress, becoming invulnerable.
3) Enemy recovers from trip state before I recover from fortress.
4) I get punished.
It has only happened once in all my matches, but I think it's possible based on that experience (I think it was with Nabster in our ranbat matches).
You shouldn't be able to get a fsmash off of the trip, because your opponent has full recovery options after tripping. Using an oki attack should beat it clean. I usually just go for another Fortress when it happens, since it will beat all wakeup options.
I am cool with it. I like my job and such.
Why are they missing?
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Eh, sorry guys but I meant "15 years playing Smash." I'm actually 18, and I really think my sleep issues are throwing off my game as of late. '~'
Maybe someday I'll be able to drink with you guys, but for now I'm content smashing with you all.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I turn 31 in April I'm gettin' too old for this shit.
Twilight Princess
Member
I have never been able to grab anyone reliablely, but with attacks I'm fine
Steve Youngblood
Member
Right, but I think what he's asking is what specifically is going wrong? Is your opponent reading that you're about to throw and evading? Are you grabbing too early on a dash grab? Too late? Are you trying to shield grab but overestimating the range and whiffing?
On the discussion of age, I'm not that old, but I've found that boxing and MMA has really kept my reflexes sharp, and my general day to day work in the labs keeps my mind sharp. Now while not everyone has a lab in their backyard, I always recommend picking up a combat sport to really keep your body young for longer. We've got men in their 60s with us at the club who have more endurance, strength, and dexterity than usual 20 year olds at the prime of their youth.
Where's that? =P
More seriously, I don't follow the Japanese scene so I don't know of its good or bad players. I was addressing the list of names.
Where's that? =P
More seriously, I don't follow the Japanese scene so I don't know of its good or bad players. I was addressing the list of names.
Twilight Princess
Member
My problem is I don't know what's happening, I guess I'll try to figure out what's wrong with my grabs but for now I just can't time it right.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
It's hard to tell you what you're doing wrong without a visual, but I'll guess you're doing it too early, thus being too far away to grab your opponent. Just grind it out in training, and see what your range is.
Are you using the shoulder buttons to grab exclusively or mixing it with shield grabs? "Shield + A" is a great way to land a counter grab (block their attack, then grab them out of shield before they can react).
Works better with some characters than others. Pac-Man's grab game is going to be weaker just because of how slow it is.
Well, I'll throw some stuff out. Let us know what sounds like it might be relevant, if anything. Someone else can probably be more thorough.
Two ways to grab: the grab button (z) and shield + attack (R + A)
Running grabs have some properties different than standing grabs, and usually feel like they have shorter range. On the flip side, you're moving while you do them, so you have more effective range covered. If that makes sense. If you do running grabs, try to do them a little early. I have trouble personally landing running grabs as Falcon, since the timing is earlier than I expect. Watch videos of your character to see the timing. Who do you play? Are you doing grabs from run or walk or shield?
One of the basic systems of the game is that shields beat attacks, grabbing beats shielding, and attacks beat grabs. You have to be in very close for a grab, so be careful if you expect them to put out a hitbox. Shield grabbing helps here. If you hold up your shield, when they get close and hit it with a move that has lag, press A to grab them. When you're wanting a grab from your own offense, try to condition them into expecting an attack, then throw out a grab instead. A common example of this (that doesn't always work because people) is to try coming down from above with an aerial. They'll shield and punish. If you then fall without doing the move, some people will still be waiting to get hit, and you have a shot at a grab.
But grab > shield is of course, not as simple and happy as that. Grabs can also be dodged from shield. While in shield, opposing players can dodge in place or roll to either side. In both cases, the solution is basically to change your timing. If they keep spot dodging, you can run past them and pivot grab, or run in from of them, shield briefly, then grab if they dodge. Overshoot/undershoot if you expect the roll.
Also be on the look out for slow attacks in neutral. If you opponent is fishing for Fsmash or something and you're close at all, a lot of the time you can run in and get a grab.
Twilight Princess
Member
Thanks you guys so much.
My grab button is mapped on Y. And I play Shulk and Rosaline. Running grab with Shulk is the hardest for me. And while I can grab CPU opponents just fine, I find it very hard to land a grab in one on one. I would try to grab them, fail, try again and get punished. I'm checking out one on one vids on YouTube, and it seems that they can just walk right into a player and grab them, which I have a hard time figuring out how to do myself. The only times I can grab people is when they make a mistake and I'm close enough to go in for a punish, or somehow they magically land within my grab range. So I'm really not using grab enough. I've been practicing boost grabs and it seems to be a lot better than dash grab but whenever I'm on wifi, grabbing is just so hard to land.
My grab button is mapped on Y. And I play Shulk and Rosaline. Running grab with Shulk is the hardest for me. And while I can grab CPU opponents just fine, I find it very hard to land a grab in one on one. I would try to grab them, fail, try again and get punished. I'm checking out one on one vids on YouTube, and it seems that they can just walk right into a player and grab them, which I have a hard time figuring out how to do myself. The only times I can grab people is when they make a mistake and I'm close enough to go in for a punish, or somehow they magically land within my grab range. So I'm really not using grab enough. I've been practicing boost grabs and it seems to be a lot better than dash grab but whenever I'm on wifi, grabbing is just so hard to land.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Ah, often wifi can mess with your timings depending on the delay, and you aren't the only one whiffing grabs. If any of my characters had a decent grab it's Ike, and even then I feel like I have to grab ahead of time to make it stick.
ShadowgeistX
Member
This is one of the best things I've ever seen. I can't stop watching.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
Speaking of grab buttons; of course this is 100% personal preference but imo there's no point in having both facial buttons jump, so I've mapped one of them to grab, and recommend others to try that out too
Also when I was watching a little bit of a tournament some time ago I noticed a lot of players mapping the jump to one of the shoulder buttons as well. I didn't get why one would do that at first, but then I realized it's so that you can attack instantly after you leave the ground. Makes Jigglypuff way easier to play, for instance, as you can pull the c-stick immediately after pressing the shoulder button; making it not necessary to move the thumb.
Also when I was watching a little bit of a tournament some time ago I noticed a lot of players mapping the jump to one of the shoulder buttons as well. I didn't get why one would do that at first, but then I realized it's so that you can attack instantly after you leave the ground. Makes Jigglypuff way easier to play, for instance, as you can pull the c-stick immediately after pressing the shoulder button; making it not necessary to move the thumb.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
This pleases me.
SUPERJEM94
Banned
Amazing
I love how he gets body slammed by the CPU after all that. "This is for my brothers!"
Out_Of_Ammo
Member
Amazing
Oh wow.
This is the greatest KO I have ever witnessed. Only Smash could achieve such KOs
Amazing
Man, I'm seriously considering going to EVO this year with two Smash games there (along with a couple of others). I just need to figure out when to book my flight because it seems a bit expensive at the moment from where I am. `-`
I'll definitely be practicing Smash U/Melee a lot if I do end up going.
I'll definitely be practicing Smash U/Melee a lot if I do end up going.
AnkiRendan
Member
Anyone want to play?
Shamrock7r
Member
Sure. Add me. NNID = Shamrock7r]
Will be on in a sec. Gunna take the dog out to use the restroom
Steve Youngblood
Member
I never use Pac-Man myself and rarely play against him. As such, I tend to get destroyed by any competent Pac-Man player because I just have zero familiarity with the matchup.
Already planning to go. Definitely going to be entering in Smash Wii U (along with Marvel, Persona, MAAAAYBBEEE Melee and Xrd). Always wanted to go to Evo; having all these main event games is certainly giving me the motivation to go this year lol.
Haven't played Melee in years though; hope my P:M knowledge helps >_<.
AnkiRendan
Member
We've played before, so I've got you
I'll host?Hey Twilt, you're in Toronto right? Do you happen to go to any of the Smash tournies?
Shamrock7r
Member
We've played before, so I've got you
Hey Twilt, you're in Toronto right? Do you happen to go to any of the Smash tournies?
I have to randomly delete people though because my friends list filled up. Whats your nnid so I can make surE?
AnkiRendan
Member
My NNID is the same as my GAF name!
Unfortunately no. I'm always busy with work, and I don't have a vehicle available to me all the time, so finding the time to go out to tournies is really tough for me. I'm lucky enough to be able to go to Evo at all.
The Come Up was apparently near York University (which is like a 20 minute bus drive away lol) though, so maybe I should have went there lol.
How many online matches have you played overall now?
AnkiRendan
Member
Ahh, I see. That's too bad. I know there's a tournament at A&C coming up this weekend and I'm debating about going. Would be pretty cool to meet up at one of them though.
Good games, Shamrock! I'm still in awe at how well you control your characters and your reflexes. You really know what to do with everything I throw at you. I'm pretty stumped.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Don't delete me, Shamrock! D:
Is this real life? He can't DI out of it?
Karsticles
Member
Shamrock has a solid Pac-man.
Masked Man
I said wow
Thanks to Namikaze Burst for a fun set of matches! A very nice Yoshi, indeed.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
I really envy you guys who can afford to go to EVO! I wish I could, but the trip there and back, plus having a place to stay and transportation would cost a ton, let alone feeding myself and actually getting to play. Bring back stories if you go!!
So, um, does anyone here know how to Peach? She seems pretty fun imo.
Shamrock7r
Member
GGs man. Sorry I left without saying GGs but I had to immediately run an errand. Even though your TLink gave me more trouble, I feel like your Lucina is overall better and you should really work on developing her, because you were doing some good stuff.
No idea. I probably average about 1 a day. Some days I don't play at all. The days I do play I try and get around 2 or 3 sets in.
NamikazeBurst
Member
Finally finished up all my ranbats match-ups. Somehow managed to go 5-0, so now I am going to be in the bracket with players like Shamrock and Anonymous Tipster and go 0-X... xD
Just starting really making use of Yoshi's neutral-B today. It is pretty good, if I can actually get my opponent with it. I mess up a lot when trying to do the direction reversal, and I either do get it, or I accidentally do an egg roll. Anyone have any tips to prevent this?
Just starting really making use of Yoshi's neutral-B today. It is pretty good, if I can actually get my opponent with it. I mess up a lot when trying to do the direction reversal, and I either do get it, or I accidentally do an egg roll. Anyone have any tips to prevent this?
Shamrock7r
Member
Anyone up for a few matches in a little bit? Just have to finish cooking dinner.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Shamrock has a solid everything.
Spinosaurus
Member
All I can tell you is to keep practicing. I have no problems doing b-reverse chomps with Wario now and it didn't take long.
Try doing it like you would a reverse Falcon Punch if you keep getting side b instead
I can play some. Can you host?
Shamrock7r
Member
Thanks for the compliment Magius. I feel like right now I am really only decent with about 4 or 5 characters. I definitely want to have a better range than I did in Brawl.
Yea but I need about 10 more minutes. I will host when I am ready. Just join when you are
Yea but I need about 10 more minutes. I will host when I am ready. Just join when you are