Masked Man
I said wow
That's what I get for living on the other side of the world in a drastically different time zone. ;___;
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Super Smash Bros. for Wii U |OT2| Only Game Where You Can Beat Up The Duck Hunt Dog
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That's what I get for living on the other side of the world in a drastically different time zone. ;___;
direct_quote
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So eventhubs just posted (/ripped off) this new Robin tutorial. Some interesting techniques lie within that I'm sure all other Robins incorporate except me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUqPF4QssYc
edit: there is too much filler in this video lol...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUqPF4QssYc
edit: there is too much filler in this video lol...
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
A doubles tournament is in the future!
OK guys, I've created a form for the doubles tournament. While I'm still making some final plans, everything's in place for a tournament launch in April if all goes well.
I can't believe this could be a reality!
Please quote this post for a link to the questionnaire that will not only confirm you're signing up, but will give me some valuable feedback for the final ruleset. Team up and remember to have fun!
Link to questionnaire (quote to see!)
OK guys, I've created a form for the doubles tournament. While I'm still making some final plans, everything's in place for a tournament launch in April if all goes well.
I can't believe this could be a reality!Please quote this post for a link to the questionnaire that will not only confirm you're signing up, but will give me some valuable feedback for the final ruleset. Team up and remember to have fun!
Link to questionnaire (quote to see!)
I feel like most people use Female Robin.
Masked Man
I said wow
A doubles tournament is in the future!
OK guys, I've created a form for the doubles tournament. While I'm still making some final plans, everything's in place for a tournament launch in April if all goes well.
Please quote this post for a link to the questionnaire that will not only confirm you're signing up, but will give me some valuable feedback for the final ruleset. Team up and remember to have fun!
Link to questionnaire (quote to see!)
Done! Anyone want to partner up with a Palu/Mac/DH/Ness guy like me?
Anonymous Tipster
Member
A doubles tournament is in the future!
OK guys, I've created a form for the doubles tournament. While I'm still making some final plans, everything's in place for a tournament launch in April if all goes well.
Please quote this post for a link to the questionnaire that will not only confirm you're signing up, but will give me some valuable feedback for the final ruleset. Team up and remember to have fun!
Link to questionnaire (quote to see!)
Thanks for putting it together, sorry I kind of pushed it at you!
First of all, I'm feeling better today. I was obviously feeling a bit cynical/defeated when I wrote my last post. I don't think anything I wrote is necessarily untrue, but I feel a little better about my own abilities after a few hours of for glory matches today, including one against an alright Sheik that finally got me some consistent matchup experience against the character. I've been pulling off some pretty good bairs today, inspired by the Zero videos. I'm making some adjustments and actually I watched Zero's for glory with Bowser video and while it's nothing new, I appreciated that he called out what he was doing at various times, specifically saying "the opponent did this when they recovered, so next time I'll catch them there" kind of stuff. I talked about making terrible reads before, partially because I don't feel like my reaction time is good enough react when something's already happening. So I throw out a move hoping that I predicted right, but I'm usually making a prediction that only covers one out of 3 or more possibilities. Poor odds. I had a series of matches a few days ago where I kept thinking my opponent would jump onstage from the ledge, so I did a short hop fair. It never worked, they never recovered that way, but I kept doing it, and I don't know why. It's true that sometimes one needs to be reminded of basic things. I hate being predictable like that, but in the moment I didn't have any "that didn't work, I'll do this next time" note being taken internally, so I didn't change anything. Anyway I basically called these things out internally like Zero did in his video, and it definitely helped.
I still want my ledge plushie.
I bomb to the ledge a lot, and get some kills off it too. Sometimes I still get screwed by momentum carrying me too far, but I'm probably about 75% consistent which is pretty good for me in this game.
I would say you're speaking optimistically here. While getting into comparisons with another character from a different style of fighting game is probably counterproductive at a certain point, I would say that Tager has the better defense given that he can use moves that go through projectiles without taking damage. He also has the biggest life bar in the game. He has to play the other player's game until their magnetized, but his whole design is built to withstand that so it works. With Bowser I don't often feel like I'm forcing my opponent into much besides in the offstage game. If you gave Bowser super armor like Little Mac has on his smashes, he would be approaching Tager's level, maybe.
Bowser's heaviness unfortunately leads to that frustratingly easy 0 to 60+, and while he's being held in the air by a quick opponent he has no aerials that come out fast enough to compete. If they overextend their combo to far, they'll catch a fair at the end of it, but that's all. For all the talk of DI, in the end one has to simply suck it up and say if you're fighting a good enough player and are grabbed, you're going to take at least 50% damage at low percents. That's also what makes it so dangerous when Bowser is a stock down.
In my experience these things haven't helped. Any jab combo can generally be held as long as the player wants, so It's essentially a wall. Maybe I'm just inexperienced at the matchup. Besides way back when you used Palutena and my recent matches against direct_quote I haven't really met any Palutenas that knew what they were doing. The windbox preventing my punish is a function of my reaction time more than a statement of general truth.
I get what you're saying, but when you fight people that never air dodge, edgeguarding someone who does is a whole different game. But it's just a matter of adapting on the fly, I'm working on that. I agree besides the ol' Sheik needle or Mega Man buzz saw to throw combos, and ones like it. Those seem pretty safe if the projectile hits. I've remembered your comment about spot dodging after getting hit with MM's buzz saw so as to prevent the grab, but I play so few Mega Mans that I haven't been able to see if that works for me.
Once again I think you're being overoptimistic. There are definitely matchups that are 70:30 IMO, some of them are in your top 5. I can't think of a matchup where I walk in and think "this'll be easy." I mean, in for glory if someone uses Wii Fit Trainer, Bowser Jr or Zelda etc it probably won't be too bad, but that's more likely because most good players aren't interested in playing those characters, not because they can't kill Bowser. I wouldn't think to put Samus or Captain Falcon in my list. I mean, getting spiked by CF really sucks, so I can see that being a thing, but... I think this is a case where our top 5's are going to depend more on how good the players we played were. I've had certain people convince me pretty quickly that a character was a terrible matchup for Bowser. For example, outside of Sheik I consider R.O.B. to be one of Bowser's worst matchups. I've met a couple R.O.B.s in my time that played the flowchart style perfectly, and I just got destroyed. The top (which can be caught multiple times after a hit, and useful for edgeguarding), the laser that goes through everything, and his neutral air pretty much shut things down for Bowser. After running the guantlet, ROB's nair beats Bowser's fair and the gauntlet has to be run again. Perhaps you've played a similarly scary Samus, I can't say I have. My no-customs top 5 (no particular order) would probably be:
Sheik (has to be a good player though)
R.O.B. (flowchart style)
Villager
Yoshi (dair is ridiculous against Bowser, super armor/egg throw/down b prevent stage control, has attacks that are impossible to punish such as a well spaced fair)
Link
Ha I do that sort of thing too, but usually with more of a "I should do ___ more often" mindset.
It sucks, and because I'm using a 3rd party controller I sometimes wonder if it's me or the controller too :/
I've spent a lot of my time in multiplayer games being the best. I already have given up on that in Smash 4. Now I'm more interested in simply being the best Bowser. Bizzarro Flame may not win anything, but he's always fun to watch. I suppose that's what I aspire to at this point. But I'm not interested in being a punching bag either. My region is filled with good players using supposedly low tier characters, so I'm not unique in that regard. I'd like to be known for not being shit. At the moment, if anyone knows me it's as the Bowser that got wrecked by Zex or as some guy they talk to occasionally at tournaments. Sometimes I'm not sure I can do better than that... Given how much the game has been in my thoughts it does often feel that I'm banging my head against the wall rather than making progress. A little detachment may be helpful. I'll see how the tournament tomorrow (today technically) goes.
Yeah I liked that he went for it too. But while there are good things about his Bowser play, it's only by coincidence that he doesn't get punished for all sorts of things. In the Diddy matchup video he throws out laggy attacks multiple times that go unpunished because the Diddy is more interested in getting a banana out or some other silly thing. But like I said at the top of the post, I did find parts of his videos helpful. And I'll gladly take any Bowser content being played by a player that isn't terrible.
At risk of being pedantic, tech in the context you used it usually refers to advanced techniques or technology (Bowser's short hop air dodge cancel is a "tech") or getting up quickly/avoiding stage spikes and such. I think strategy or tactics would be more applicable words for what you were saying there.
Anyway, I'm feeling better and I'm going to try and get back on the Bowser hype train for the moment. Though despite all the positivity in the world, I think he's a mid-tier character and probably mid-low with customs, and there's going to be a certain frustration that comes with that. If I remember, tomorrow I'll ask some of the better players which way they think I should DI to get out of Mario/Luigi/Sheik etc throw combos.
I still want my ledge plushie.
I bomb to the ledge a lot, and get some kills off it too. Sometimes I still get screwed by momentum carrying me too far, but I'm probably about 75% consistent which is pretty good for me in this game.
I would say you're speaking optimistically here. While getting into comparisons with another character from a different style of fighting game is probably counterproductive at a certain point, I would say that Tager has the better defense given that he can use moves that go through projectiles without taking damage. He also has the biggest life bar in the game. He has to play the other player's game until their magnetized, but his whole design is built to withstand that so it works. With Bowser I don't often feel like I'm forcing my opponent into much besides in the offstage game. If you gave Bowser super armor like Little Mac has on his smashes, he would be approaching Tager's level, maybe.
Bowser's heaviness unfortunately leads to that frustratingly easy 0 to 60+, and while he's being held in the air by a quick opponent he has no aerials that come out fast enough to compete. If they overextend their combo to far, they'll catch a fair at the end of it, but that's all. For all the talk of DI, in the end one has to simply suck it up and say if you're fighting a good enough player and are grabbed, you're going to take at least 50% damage at low percents. That's also what makes it so dangerous when Bowser is a stock down.
In my experience these things haven't helped. Any jab combo can generally be held as long as the player wants, so It's essentially a wall. Maybe I'm just inexperienced at the matchup. Besides way back when you used Palutena and my recent matches against direct_quote I haven't really met any Palutenas that knew what they were doing. The windbox preventing my punish is a function of my reaction time more than a statement of general truth.
I get what you're saying, but when you fight people that never air dodge, edgeguarding someone who does is a whole different game. But it's just a matter of adapting on the fly, I'm working on that. I agree besides the ol' Sheik needle or Mega Man buzz saw to throw combos, and ones like it. Those seem pretty safe if the projectile hits. I've remembered your comment about spot dodging after getting hit with MM's buzz saw so as to prevent the grab, but I play so few Mega Mans that I haven't been able to see if that works for me.
Once again I think you're being overoptimistic. There are definitely matchups that are 70:30 IMO, some of them are in your top 5. I can't think of a matchup where I walk in and think "this'll be easy." I mean, in for glory if someone uses Wii Fit Trainer, Bowser Jr or Zelda etc it probably won't be too bad, but that's more likely because most good players aren't interested in playing those characters, not because they can't kill Bowser. I wouldn't think to put Samus or Captain Falcon in my list. I mean, getting spiked by CF really sucks, so I can see that being a thing, but... I think this is a case where our top 5's are going to depend more on how good the players we played were. I've had certain people convince me pretty quickly that a character was a terrible matchup for Bowser. For example, outside of Sheik I consider R.O.B. to be one of Bowser's worst matchups. I've met a couple R.O.B.s in my time that played the flowchart style perfectly, and I just got destroyed. The top (which can be caught multiple times after a hit, and useful for edgeguarding), the laser that goes through everything, and his neutral air pretty much shut things down for Bowser. After running the guantlet, ROB's nair beats Bowser's fair and the gauntlet has to be run again. Perhaps you've played a similarly scary Samus, I can't say I have. My no-customs top 5 (no particular order) would probably be:
Sheik (has to be a good player though)
R.O.B. (flowchart style)
Villager
Yoshi (dair is ridiculous against Bowser, super armor/egg throw/down b prevent stage control, has attacks that are impossible to punish such as a well spaced fair)
Link
Ha I do that sort of thing too, but usually with more of a "I should do ___ more often" mindset.
I make most of these execution errors, too. No worries.
It sucks, and because I'm using a 3rd party controller I sometimes wonder if it's me or the controller too :/
I've spent a lot of my time in multiplayer games being the best. I already have given up on that in Smash 4. Now I'm more interested in simply being the best Bowser. Bizzarro Flame may not win anything, but he's always fun to watch. I suppose that's what I aspire to at this point. But I'm not interested in being a punching bag either. My region is filled with good players using supposedly low tier characters, so I'm not unique in that regard. I'd like to be known for not being shit. At the moment, if anyone knows me it's as the Bowser that got wrecked by Zex or as some guy they talk to occasionally at tournaments. Sometimes I'm not sure I can do better than that... Given how much the game has been in my thoughts it does often feel that I'm banging my head against the wall rather than making progress. A little detachment may be helpful. I'll see how the tournament tomorrow (today technically) goes.
Yeah I liked that he went for it too. But while there are good things about his Bowser play, it's only by coincidence that he doesn't get punished for all sorts of things. In the Diddy matchup video he throws out laggy attacks multiple times that go unpunished because the Diddy is more interested in getting a banana out or some other silly thing. But like I said at the top of the post, I did find parts of his videos helpful. And I'll gladly take any Bowser content being played by a player that isn't terrible.
At risk of being pedantic, tech in the context you used it usually refers to advanced techniques or technology (Bowser's short hop air dodge cancel is a "tech") or getting up quickly/avoiding stage spikes and such. I think strategy or tactics would be more applicable words for what you were saying there.
Anyway, I'm feeling better and I'm going to try and get back on the Bowser hype train for the moment. Though despite all the positivity in the world, I think he's a mid-tier character and probably mid-low with customs, and there's going to be a certain frustration that comes with that. If I remember, tomorrow I'll ask some of the better players which way they think I should DI to get out of Mario/Luigi/Sheik etc throw combos.
I just wanna mention that whenever I'm racking damage on a bowser I never feel like I'm having a clear win. I can 0 to 40 most of the cast with a dash attack or a grab on bigger characters, racking up damage is simple as Samus, and especially so against Bowser because I can poke him a lot. But the thing is with Bowser, you're never sure of what is gonna happen next, because all the damage you've cause only gave him rage and one good read, either a smash, a good aerial or even a tilt can make you lose a stock, and all the percentage lead is gone, because that's the nature of the game and that's where the concept of high risk high reward comes from. Bowser is gonna soak a lot of damage early on but relative to other characters it's not gonna be so harmful on bowser, while at the same time bowser is gonna punish you and rack up percent with fortress, tilts, jabs and his other specials.
When I'm at 80% as Samus that is also a heavy weight, I'm scared shitless because one bad decision can mean death. And that's a good psychological advantage that any player facing bowser is gonna go up against.
When I'm at 80% as Samus that is also a heavy weight, I'm scared shitless because one bad decision can mean death. And that's a good psychological advantage that any player facing bowser is gonna go up against.
Masked Man
I said wow
In some ways, Palutena and Bowser are playing the same game: poking, waiting for you to slip up so we can punish. As Boney said, though, once we're in the higher percentages, one mistake on our side means certain doom. Bowser, however, has the advantage in that he's harder to launch and enjoys super armor on his powerful Usmash.
...And, if it's any consolation, Palutena also gets juggled mercilessly by Luigi, Sheik, and the gang, so at least you're not alone, lol.
...And, if it's any consolation, Palutena also gets juggled mercilessly by Luigi, Sheik, and the gang, so at least you're not alone, lol.
Karsticles
Member
Filling this out with direct_quote as my partner. Hopefully he still wants to be my double date. ;-)A doubles tournament is in the future!
OK guys, I've created a form for the doubles tournament. While I'm still making some final plans, everything's in place for a tournament launch in April if all goes well.
Please quote this post for a link to the questionnaire that will not only confirm you're signing up, but will give me some valuable feedback for the final ruleset. Team up and remember to have fun!
Link to questionnaire (quote to see!)
Your HTML there leads to the "what women want in women characters" blog, haha.
Glad to see you are feeling better.
I spent 20 minutes bombing the ledge in training mode last night. I want to be perfect at this.
Well, the last time I played BB, it was CS, so I may be out of date on his available moves.
Part of Bowser is understanding that certain things lead to more damage against you than others. For example, Ness gets a good 4 hits off of you from a dthrow at low %. When I play Ness players, I specifically watch out for grabs. I'll take an aerial if I have to, but not a grab, because the damage is so big. You can always choose what kind of punishment you have to take if you have to take punishment on the defense.
Jabs do end eventually, I think. I've tried to mash A as hard as I could for as long as I can as Palutena, and it always ends at some point. Even so, you can do a lot of things if Palutena mashes the jab out:
1) Roll through it.
2) Fire Breath.
3) SHADC through it.
4) Jump on her and dair or bomb.
It's definitely not a good idea from her perspective. Also, I think I have a pretty sick setup off of a SHADC with customs. Use the Dash Slam, SHADC through someone, and when you Dash Slam, it will catch shields and back dashes. People usually don't roll through Bowser on the SHADC. I am going to try playing with Dash Slam some this next week.
Play Tipster a lot!
I've honestly never had trouble against a Yoshi. He's pretty easy to deal with in my experience. Dair is punishable. His ground throw is really weak, so you can get in his face and Fortress all you want without worry.
R.O.B. is easy to handle when you learn how to pick up items (SHAD, fair, dash attacks - great tools against Megaman as well). I don't have problems against him.
Tech =/= advanced technique.
Tech = technical = involving technique = (Webster's Def):
"a way of doing something by using special knowledge or skill"
A Fire Breath gimp attempt qualifies here. It involves a specialized knowledge of Fire Breath's mechanics and Bowser's recovery capacity.
Palutena wants to keep space, though. Bowser wants to get in your face.
I think both characters are probably B tier at this point.
InvincibleAgent
Member
That is comparable efficiency, except requires attention.
Eh. Smashes have too small of range and moves are generally not powerful.
See, this? Right here? This is why I voted against Halberd legal
That doubles tournament sounds like a lot of fun, but I'm thinking I may want to disable my internet. Costs too much
Of course I'll finish the Ranbats season I've committed to, but it will probably be my last.It was on Duck hunt though, the dog popped up and lifted him as he was landing on a charge shot
InvincibleAgent
Member
Y'all had just been talking about Halberd, so something must have happened there. Though that is hilarious.
Masked Man
I said wow
I think more than half of my FG matches tonight were against Sheiks... Ugh.
Good point! I'm hoping that, if we get some sort of balance patch along with Mewtwo DLC, they add mega-windboxes to the end of Palutena's Fsmash and Dsmash--like "blow the opponent halfway across the stage" mega-windboxes. And faster tilts, lol.
Good point! I'm hoping that, if we get some sort of balance patch along with Mewtwo DLC, they add mega-windboxes to the end of Palutena's Fsmash and Dsmash--like "blow the opponent halfway across the stage" mega-windboxes. And faster tilts, lol.
Stupid dog even laughed at my face!
I think something else happened in Halberd but I don't remember
Amiibos are ridiculous.
My Captain Falcon knee'd me across the stage, ran along the ground, did a short hop and Dair'd me into oblivion off the stage just before I could make my recovery. At level 38.
How did you teach Bowser to do that? That's an impressive manuever to pull off either way.
I am. but have mercy, i did a looong Smash break
NNID is Soul-Lab
Edit: Didn't see the time gap from the last post. anyone else up for some 1v1?
Nah it's good, still here. NNID: OranSky
alright. I'm in
Not gonna lie I jumped in joy that I landed that last second down air GGs so far.
Yeah shame don't know where it came from either. Good games before that though.
yea indeed. was fun
direct_quote
Member
Nice, good to see we're off to something!A doubles tournament is in the future!
OK guys, I've created a form for the doubles tournament. While I'm still making some final plans, everything's in place for a tournament launch in April if all goes well.
Please quote this post for a link to the questionnaire that will not only confirm you're signing up, but will give me some valuable feedback for the final ruleset. Team up and remember to have fun!
Link to questionnaire (quote to see!)
But of course, we need to get some practice in though especially given the possibility of a tipster/shamrock team :<
Fem Robin is the best Robin, I think Male Robin says his taunts pretty badly as well (no enthusiasm). "Time to tip the scales!." Also red Robin is the best Robin contrary to what Tipster may think
Also referencing that video I posted, I need to practice that Robin kara throw, because Robin has a terrible throw range.
Also red Robin is the best Robin contrary to what Tipster may think
Pink Robin and default Fem Robin are much better than Red Robin
SoldnerKei
Member
Filled up that doubles torney form, if someone is looking for a partner PM me, smexy Link in your team is always good to have~
if I had to ask someone, I guess it would be TWILT, double Link team ftw, or ZSS & Pikachu OTP, or Link & Shulk for pretty swordies team
will you be available in like an hour? I am at work right now, but gonna be available after I get out of here
if I had to ask someone, I guess it would be TWILT, double Link team ftw, or ZSS & Pikachu OTP, or Link & Shulk for pretty swordies team
will you be available in like an hour? I am at work right now, but gonna be available after I get out of here
I´ll be here! Just send me a PM if I don´t respond here =).
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
If you're still here in half an hour I'd be down for it.
Glad to see a positive reception to the tourney, but remember that the whole point is to partner up with GAF members so please keep that in mind! I'd rather not deal with an odd-man-out situation.
Also if anyone wants my services just hit me up <3
I'll be able to play in like 1.5-2 hours.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Maybe he's got real life issues and he can't PK Fire us anymore.
Will it be on stream? Go go!
Okay, so far I have only one team registered. You guys all have a minimum of two weeks to partner up and practice, so don't feel like you have to rush it! Do your best!
Oh, if anyone wants to do the ranbat matches I can do those now.
Hmm, I'll register when I get home...
Ahhh, tempting, but I believe FSLink asked me first a while back, but I'm not sure if he still wants to do it. If he's still game, then perhaps we'll get our chance to team up another day, but if not...
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
I don't know how to not hit teammates.
What kind of third world country do you think I live that has streaming lolMaybe he's got real life issues and he can't PK Fire us anymore.
Will it be on stream? Go go!
Okay, so far I have only one team registered. You guys all have a minimum of two weeks to partner up and practice, so don't feel like you have to rush it! Do your best!
Oh, if anyone wants to do the ranbat matches I can do those now.
You guys are just gonna have to believe me when I say I won
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
lmao I forgot, sorry. Don't worry homie, I believe you!
EDIT: GGs SalvaPot, the score was 5-0 my victory. Your Yoshi was scaring me man, I had to bust out my dirtiest tricks to stay in the game. :O When you dunked me on Town and City I got really surprised because I didn't expect that to hit!
Where?!
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Yo dude, when do you want to do our match? We could fight now if you'd like.
Sure! Let's do it. I'm not sure if I have you added so you could add me while I turn my Wii U on.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
SoldnerKei
Member
alright Salva, room is up, let's do this :'D
seems fine to me, how about you?
seems fine to me, how about you?
I'm down to play if anybody is interested
Pretty far up in Las Condes, a friend who plays Melee told me about it. There's a Facebook link about it, it's called Torneo La Nueva Era by LGC: Las Condes Gaming team, give it a look
NamikazeBurst
Member
Any bracket 1 players want to do our ranbats match now?
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Cyberman65
Member
Yeah, sure. You can host. I'll be on in a few.