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Super Smash Bros. for Wii U |OT2| Only Game Where You Can Beat Up The Duck Hunt Dog
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Professor Beef
Banned
thanks obama
Professor Beef
Banned
DAT'S IT
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Luma respawn timer extended to 30 seconds just because
Pikachu gets more endlag on his up-B
Everyone gets more landing lag with up-B including Jigglypuff for some reason
Rest KO's at 30% on everyone except Bowser because he's a tough guy to compensate
Mewtwo can wavedash but he's still lolMeleeMewtwo
Luigi trips from ground down-B randomly
Bowser still can't B-reverse and now simply doesn't grab the ledge from Fortress at all
Windboxes get nerfed globally
Diddy can't KO with uair until 150% with rage
Mac's up-B gets a shortened aerial range
ZSS gets jiggle physics and has a slower run to show off new technology
Falco gets no changes
Professor Beef
Banned
Greninja has Pokerus, but has to be in the Pokemon Center to treat it so he's removed from the game.
MaverickHunterAsh
Member
This better not happen. Mega Man's Air Shooter is one of his best moves and one of the most fun to use in the entire game. KOing fools by gently and nonchalantly lifting them off the top of the screen never gets old - especially when you do it to someone you're playing with in the same room and you get to experience their surprise/rage. <3
Professor Beef
Banned
omg why
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
I put that there to nerf Greninja's up-B :3
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Bowser's gets his Side B nerfed where Bowser just loses a stock immediately. No flipping nonsense necessary. Saves you some time.
:/
:/
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
I remember me and Cronox were playing and I KO'd his Bowser with my Doc. He respawns, grabs me with side-B and I hold right to win.
I feel bad for Bowser mains sometimes.
Professor Beef
Banned
Why did Evo pick these customs for Villager to use
mrwiz pls
mrwiz pls
Wyndstryker
Member
Zelda dair + Mega Man dair = Both fighters flying diagonally upwards.
...What?
...What?
Wait what? It canceling when you hit the ground is a selling point... Just use it again if you wanted to hit them with it.
With the patches everyone is gonna nerfed to Zelda tier
Except Zelda which is gonna nerfed harder
Sure it helps with mix ups, but having it hit more reliably would be better for me.
Buff nair at the same time, make it auto cancel on short hop
Except Zelda which is gonna nerfed harder
But that's a lot of extra frames! You need to time it just right to get the hit, unlike other command grabs.
Sure it helps with mix ups, but having it hit more reliably would be better for me.
Buff nair at the same time, make it auto cancel on short hop
But... it canceled when you hit the ground, so you don't have a frame disadvantage besides the disadvantage of thinking you could hit with it in the air. Which is possible, by the way. It is meant for ground use almost always, it's not like Wario's where you can wait for people to run into it or something. Yeah nair is very situational. If you normal jump it at least you should land normally.
Anyway, my problem now is if I don't play Bowser on FG, I can only play a character who doesn't need customs, which leaves me with Jigglypuff and high tier characters I suck with. I tried to play as Diddy last night for a bit and it really wasn't working for me. I'm so used to Bowser's long jump window that I can't short hop for shit with the faster characters. Maybe I'll just play less and wait for the patch at this point.
Professor Beef
Banned
Which ones do you use?;
1112
That's not an option and I have to use the inferior 1122 that led to my admittedly hilarious death a little while ago against Puruzi lol
direct_quote
Member
I don't because Lukina sucks so everyone must suck
kappa
Ah. Surprised that's not an option, but I can see why. Explosive Balloon Trip is pretty much an upgrade once you get used to detonating the balloons for the boost, it's pretty close to the recovery of normal Balloon Trip. There is 1312 if you still want normal Balloon Trip, and Pushy Lloid is still great, just different than default Lloid Rocket.
In other news, I made the Villager mains here rage pretty bad with my new counterpick against Extreme Balloon Trip + Trip Sapling. :3 I even timed them out a few times, bwhahaha.
Professor Beef
Banned
I have been meaning to try Pushy Lloyd, but still I can't believe 1112 isn't an option, yet there's 3 sets with the Flower Pocket.
Lucina is the best tho
SolarKnight
Member
I don't think MM's uair counts for that. Windboxes generally mean those that push you without actually hitting you (Greninja's uB, Ike's B2, Link's B, etc). Last I remember Air Shooter acts like none of those.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
If she was she wouldn't be cosplaying Marth who looks more like a girl then she does.
It's just the nature of having to stick with 10 sets. Anything other than Apex and EVO or similar sized event would likely allow you to import sets anyway, unless they're lazy TOs or really pressed for time.
Garden is extremely good against characters without a projectile too.
Also notable about Pushy Lloid is that I can't short hop it like I can with default Lloid.
Joke patch notes aside, I expect Fox and Pikachu to be the top tiers next patch. CALLING IT
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Ganondorf's Uptilt hits the whole screen.
SolarKnight
Member
Power Vision is active the longest and its active time is never reduced
zelda buffs I'd like to see:
- Din's fire can deal a small amount of damage and knockback while traveling before the explosion.
- Being able to hold the Phantom charge or make the move a shield breaker.
- Increase the speed of f-tilt
- Make the hitbox bigger on her n-air.
patch is probably already done though. I'm really curious to see how big or small the changes will be lol.
- Din's fire can deal a small amount of damage and knockback while traveling before the explosion.
- Being able to hold the Phantom charge or make the move a shield breaker.
- Increase the speed of f-tilt
- Make the hitbox bigger on her n-air.
patch is probably already done though. I'm really curious to see how big or small the changes will be lol.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
So you want Zelda to free fall after Aerial Side B?
oh yeah! I forgot about that. yeah they should take that out.
SolarKnight
Member
That has got to be genuinely the stupidest design decision for Zelda
Pikachu is weirdly underrated in japan. I consider him 3rd best in the game, and he won't be receiving (m)any nerfs unlike Shiek and diddy.
Fox also falls in the same category, but I don't think he'll end up as good, because he's not as strong right now (top 10 for sure).
I don't think the tier list will change much to be honest. They'll shuffle a few positions, but Shiek, rosa sonic and diddy are still gonna be top 5 with the usuals like luigi also coming right behind.
He's underrated since Japan doesn't have any Pika players like ESAM, Japan doesn't play with customs much, and they have a vastly limited stagelist and lacks stages like Lylat Cruise where Pikachu shines.
Fox I think is underrated right now, he has a pretty good matchup against Diddy and Sheik imo, his jab confirms are ridiculous, etc. He just lacks guaranteed throw setups like Sheik and Diddy do but I think with them nerfed possibly that he can rise above them. He also has some really versatile customs.
I think Rosa and Sonic have potential for nerfs too.
Some great Fox matches from Larry Lurr/DEHF who got 1st place here at Kawaii-Kon Hawaii. One of them is against Jtails (Diddy Kong), another match with Ninjalink (MegaMan), the last with Lethal Trilogy (Diddy Kong), our best player here in Hawaii.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmyjPS0BIKI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXxJBpWhgVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b71F5-2pNQ
Awesome, will give those matches a look later as I'm just getting on the subway.
I might me underrating fox myself, I think he's excellent but gimpable recovery, him being so incredibly light and having a bad edgeguard games really pulls him back in my eyes. Haven't seen what customs can really do however.
The character I see with the most potential to get really buffed and rise up the tier list is Marth. I don't think he's range will change, but having some of his moves have less end lag and landing lag could really make him a major threat again.
I might me underrating fox myself, I think he's excellent but gimpable recovery, him being so incredibly light and having a bad edgeguard games really pulls him back in my eyes. Haven't seen what customs can really do however.
The character I see with the most potential to get really buffed and rise up the tier list is Marth. I don't think he's range will change, but having some of his moves have less end lag and landing lag could really make him a major threat again.
SolarKnight
Member
He's underrated since Japan doesn't have any Pika players like ESAM, Japan doesn't play with customs much, and they have a vastly limited stagelist and lacks stages like Lylat Cruise where Pikachu shines.
Fox I think is underrated right now, he has a pretty good matchup against Diddy and Sheik imo, his jab confirms are ridiculous, etc. He just lacks guaranteed throw setups like Sheik and Diddy do but I think with them nerfed possibly that he can rise above them. He also has some really versatile customs.
I think Rosa and Sonic have potential for nerfs too.
Some great Fox matches from Larry Lurr/DEHF who got 1st place here at Kawaii-Kon Hawaii. One of them is against Jtails (Diddy Kong), another match with Ninjalink (MegaMan), the last with Lethal Trilogy (Diddy Kong), our best player here in Hawaii.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmyjPS0BIKI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXxJBpWhgVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b71F5-2pNQ
Man I wish I could play like that Fox...although I guess that my preference for a (2 or 3)33x loadout kinda prevents that anyways.
Karsticles
Member
His stun counter is great.
360 degree control on Din's Fire.
No recover frames on Phantom.
theprodigy
Member
Pikachu was underrated in Japan for Brawl too, I think it's just something about the character lol
Professor Beef
Banned
Ike's Counter just needs to start at the same frame as Marth and Mac's. It'll always be bad until then.
Ike's counter has a lot more active frames and sometimes people will hit you regardless. It's bad but it's hilarious when that happens.
And I still think it's a good option, you can use It on aerial follow ups and to protect your landing, and at the very least, you won't have someone being smash happy on landings just on mind games.
Anybody know how long it takes to start?
And I still think it's a good option, you can use It on aerial follow ups and to protect your landing, and at the very least, you won't have someone being smash happy on landings just on mind games.
Anybody know how long it takes to start?
dragonlife
Member
Anybody want to 1v1?