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[Green Mamba]

Well it wouldn't be a strike against it, but yeah that's been a common theory for both Magicant and Mute City because A: they're both excellent stages, B: they're suspiciously not handheld-based, C: it would be crazy to have a unique stage in both versions for F-Zero and Mother when Metroid, StarFox, DK, Wario and Yoshi can't even get that, and D: up-porting stages from the 3DS to Wii U is likely much easier than vice versa so there's no real reason to not have new F-Zero or Mother stages when perfectly good ones already exist on 3DS and aren't handheld specific so they wouldn't be out of place on Wii U.

For those reasons, I'm about 95% sure that the Wii U version will have HD Magicant and Mute City, maybe with some slight changes.

I had Magicant pegged as a cross-version stage the minute we saw it. I was thinking the same of Mute City before properly seeing it in motion, but in some senses it seems tailor made for the small resolution of the 3DS that made me second guess myself. I don't know if it would look as perfectly retro at higher resolutions. I'm iffier on Mute City.

 

[TheSlySoul]

It is funny people were overanalyzing the bosses for playable characters. Although Metal Face will be an interesting boss!

 

[KLatin Scelus]

For those of us on Ridley-watch, it's worth noting Ridley had assist trophy files in Brawl despite not being an AT. Perhaps there could be a similar case here.

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Oh god, the dream's really dead, isn't it?

Still, no matter what, even if clone Ridley is a boss, that doesn't necessarily count Ridley out. I've said this multiple times, so I'm just leaving it at that.

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I'm going to be using this image a lot.

 

[Hatchtag]

It is funny people were overanalyzing the bosses for playable characters. Although Metal Face will be an interesting boss!

To be fair, Dark Pit was revealed in a very similar way to how Ridley was, so there was reason for over analyzation.
At the same time...I donno. It feels odd to me that there's not really any hints at any other bosses in the files. Plus, we know that the Wii U menu has space for at least one Smash Run-like mode.

 

[Golnei]

To be fair, Dark Pit was revealed in a very similar way to how Ridley was, so there was reason for over analyzation.
At the same time...I donno. It feels odd to me that there's not really any hints at any other bosses in the files. Plus, we know that the Wii U menu has space for at least one Smash Run-like mode.

I'd probably group Dark Pit with Lucina and Ridley with Metal Face. Getting a direct closeup and being shown via shadow seem to indicate very different roles, even aside from the absurdity of considering the latter two as playable characters.

 

[theprodigy]

To be fair, Dark Pit was revealed in a very similar way to how Ridley was, so there was reason for over analyzation.
At the same time...I donno. It feels odd to me that there's not really any hints at any other bosses in the files. Plus, we know that the Wii U menu has space for at least one Smash Run-like mode.

now with Metal Face though you think that comparison wouldn't be made any more

 

[The Captain]

For those of us on Ridley-watch, it's worth noting Ridley had assist trophy files in Brawl despite not being an AT. Perhaps there could be a similar case here.

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Oh god, the dream's really dead, isn't it?

The dream's been dead for a while.

August 20 2013 - Pyrosphere is shown off, and Sakurai hints that "[a]n enemy from Samus's past may appear at any second," most likely referring to Ridley. Maybe he meant he would be playable? More likely scenario; he's part of the stage.

April 8 2014 - Ridley's shadow appears on the Pyrosphere stage, while Sakurai talks about stage bosses. Pretty heavily implied that Ridley's a stage boss too.

September 11 2014 - The 3DS version breaks its street date and several people start streaming the game online. The entire roster is uncovered, and Ridley is not in it.

Sometime between now and November 21 2014 - Ridley is officially revealed to be a stage boss.

 

[Veeboy]

For those of us on Ridley-watch, it's worth noting Ridley had assist trophy files in Brawl despite not being an AT. Perhaps there could be a similar case here.

Spoiler

Oh god, the dream's really dead, isn't it?

The dream isn't dead until Sakurai shows me the body in the inevitable Wii U POTD reveal!

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Then the dream is reincarnated as DLC dreams.

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Until all DLC has been released then the dream is dead.

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Until Smash 6.

 

[The Captain]

It is funny people were overanalyzing the bosses for playable characters. Although Metal Face will be an interesting boss!

[insert link to video of guy shouting about how Ridley is playable because he grabs Pikachu]

 

[theprodigy]

[insert link to video of guy shouting about how Ridley is playable because he grabs Pikachu]

yeah because bosses can't grab *looks at Master Hand*

oh

(I know you're not saying that, but lol at the people who are)

 

[The Captain]

yeah because bosses can't grab *looks at Master Hand*

oh

Ignore that, and wave your arms around some more.

 

[KLatin Scelus]

now with Metal Face though you think that comparison wouldn't be made any more

At least Metal Face's shadow looked huge, and nothing like a boss.

Ridley's shadow apparently's the same size/ slightly bigger than Bowser & jagged-movements.
Not very intimidating.

This does not bode well for Spainkiller's leak though...

 

[Gleethor]

I had Magicant pegged as a cross-version stage the minute we saw it. I was thinking the same of Mute City before properly seeing it in motion, but in some senses it seems tailor made for the small resolution of the 3DS that made me second guess myself. I don't know if it would look as perfectly retro at higher resolutions. I'm iffier on Mute City.

I guess I'm slightly less certain on Mute City, but I think F-Zero SNES looks fine on my TV via Wii U VC so I don't think resolution would be a big issue. I wouldn't say no to another GX stage like Aeropolis or something but I just can't see them making a unique F-Zero stage for each version.

 

[The Captain]

Here are my thoughts as to why Ridley was not directly confirmed as a stage boss:

The 3DS version was coming out first, so they wanted to focus the hype on that, and then move onto the Wii U version. In the Wii U version, Ridley is a stage boss. However, like other bosses, he will be playable with the Wii U GamePad. For this reason, they wanted to keep the special mode a secret so that they could build up some more hype for the Wii U version when the 3DS version was already out.

Super simple stuff.

 

[Karsticles]

Here are my thoughts as to why Ridley was not directly confirmed as a stage boss:

The 3DS version was coming out first, so they wanted to focus the hype on that, and then move onto the Wii U version. In the Wii U version, Ridley is a stage boss. However, like other bosses, he will be playable with the Wii U GamePad. For this reason, they wanted to keep the special mode a secret so that they could build up some more hype for the Wii U version when the 3DS version was already out.

Super simple stuff.

Wouldn't it make more sense to not have a section about Ridley as a stage boss in the Direct, then?

 

[Gonzo The Great]

- "Ridley will be playable"
- Smash Direct hints that Ridley will be a stage boss
- "Sakurai is just trolling"
- Ridley is not on the Ninka/Vaanrose leak
- Anonymous 4chan user claims Ridley, Dixie, Mewtwo, and Chorus Men will be playable
- Entire roster is leaked with photo evidence
- "The ESRB didn't have the final build"
- Game is released and Ridley is nowhere to be seen
- "Ridley will be unlocked by connecting the 3DS version to the Wii U"
- Text dump implies that no such connectivity exists
- "Ridley will be DLC"
- Text dump implies that Ridley will be a stage boss
- "It's leftover data from the Subspace Emissary"

Will this lunacy ever end?

 

[The Captain]

I'm very excited for: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U being released. Being able to play lots of it while I'm recovering from a surgery.

I'm not excited for: Tons of people complaining about Ridley not being playable, or there not being any more characters, or there not being 55 stages, even though there has not been any official evidence to indicate that any of this would happen.

Wouldn't it make more sense to not have a section about Ridley as a stage boss in the Direct, then?

As I said, they wanted to hype up the Wii U version after the 3DS version was released.

 

[Golnei]

Wouldn't it make more sense to not have a section about Ridley as a stage boss in the Direct, then?

Perhaps that's where the statement he made about not wanting to disappoint fans of a character by unreasonably raising their expectations came in - he couldn't talk about the boss mode because of the 3DS-prioritised marketing cycle, but he demonstrated Ridley was not a regular playable character in the interest of transparency. Though he underestimated the depths of delusion Ridley fans are capable of sinking to...

 

[Karsticles]

Things I'm very excited for: Super Smash Bros. for Wii U being released. Being able to play lots of it while I'm recovering from a surgery.

Things I'm not excited for: Tons of people complaining about Ridley not being playable, or there not being any more characters, or there not being 55 stages, even though there has not been any official evidence to indicate that any of this would happen.


As I said, they wanted to hype up the Wii U version after the 3DS version was released.

Then why would they show a Wii U feature...your response makes no sense.

I would be disappointed by this roster regardless of leak claims. This is a B+ roster at best.

Perhaps that's where the statement he made about not wanting to disappoint fans of a character by unreasonably raising their expectations came in - he couldn't talk about the boss mode because of the 3DS-prioritised marketing cycle, but he demonstrated Ridley was not a regular playable character in the interest of transparency. Though he underestimated the depths of delusion Ridley fans are capable of sinking to...

Would showing Ridley as a boss really have unveiled so much more than showing his shadow? This is a pretty small difference.

 

[The Captain]

Ridley fans should've accepted things when the stage was first announced/when his shadow was shown in a stage boss section/when the roster leaked/when the game came out.

 

[Gleethor]

- "Ridley will be playable"
- Smash Direct hints that Ridley will be a stage boss
- "Sakurai is just trolling"
- Ridley is not on the Ninka/Vaanrose leak
- Anonymous 4chan user claims Ridley, Dixie, Mewtwo, and Chorus Men will be playable
- Entire roster is leaked with photo evidence
- "The ESRB didn't have the final build"
- Game is released and Ridley is nowhere to be seen
- "Ridley will be unlocked by connecting the 3DS version to the Wii U"
- Text dump implies that no such connectivity exists
- "Ridley will be DLC"
- Text dump implies that Ridley will be a stage boss
- "It's leftover data from the Subspace Emissary"

Will this lunacy ever end?

Ridley and Meta Ridley were in the text dump. If there's really no leftover data from Brawl in there (one would think Porky and Petey would show up too...), then what's going on?

 

[The Captain]

Then why would they show a Wii U feature...your response makes no sense.

I would be disappointed by this roster regardless of leak claims. This is a B+ roster at best.

They didn't show a Wii U feature. They would be saving that until after the 3DS version was out. That's exactly what I meant, and it makes perfect sense.

 

[Gonzo The Great]

Ridley and Meta Ridley were in the text dump. If there's really no leftover data from Brawl in there (one would think Porky and Petey would show up too...), then what's going on?

People refuse to accept the fact that Ridley isn't playable. I don't agree with Sakurai's decision, but hey, there's nothing we can do about it.

 

[backlot]

Ridley and Meta Ridley were in the text dump. If there's really no leftover data from Brawl in there (one would think Porky and Petey would show up too...), then what's going on?

There is leftover data from Brawl in there. Who is claiming there isn't? It even references other bosses like Porky, Rayquaza and Taboo.

There are multiple references to Ridley in the text dump. Not all of them are leftover Brawl data though.

 

[The Captain]

People refuse to accept the fact that Ridley isn't playable. I don't agree with Sakurai's decision, but hey, there's nothing we can do about it.

Maybe Sakurai thought Ridley wouldn't make it as a character, but still wanted to please the Ridley fans by letting him be playable in a special mode?

What Golnei said:

Perhaps that's where the statement he made about not wanting to disappoint fans of a character by unreasonably raising their expectations came in - he couldn't talk about the boss mode because of the 3DS-prioritised marketing cycle, but he demonstrated Ridley was not a regular playable character in the interest of transparency. Though he underestimated the depths of delusion Ridley fans are capable of sinking to...

 

[theprodigy]

People refuse to accept the fact that Ridley isn't playable. I don't agree with Sakurai's decision, but hey, there's nothing we can do about it.

damn, even Gonzo The Great is saying this now, give it up Ridley fans

 

[Karsticles]

They didn't show a Wii U feature. They would be saving that until after the 3DS version was out. That's exactly what I meant, and it makes perfect sense.

No one thought that stage was in the 3DS version, though...

 

[MrSaturn99]

- Text dump implies that Ridley will be a stage boss
- "It's leftover data from the Subspace Emissary"

Whoa, where was this?

 

[The Captain]

No one thought that stage was in the 3DS version, though...

I never said they did!

Sakurai was talking about stage bosses, then showed Ridley's shadow. Maybe because he didn't want to advertise a Wii U-exclusive mode before the 3DS version was released, he didn't elaborate on Ridley's role in the GamePad boss mode.

 

[IntelliHeath]

[insert link to video of guy shouting about how Ridley is playable because he grabs Pikachu]

Yeah, they forget all about Master Hand's grab moves.

I do feel bad for Ridley fans that they didn't get him once again. However people still holding with the hopes because of Spainkiller's source.

I'm very curious how they would hype Smash Wii U after Smash's release.

 

[tirkaroKujo]

At least Metal Face's shadow looked huge, and nothing like a boss.

Ridley's shadow apparently's the same size/ slightly bigger than Bowser & jagged-movements.
Not very intimidating.

This does not bode well for Spainkiller's leak though...

I still believe in Spainkiller's leak. That is, Mewtwo, Dixie, and Chorus Men will probably be playable DLC characters.

As far as Ridley goes, well, he did mention that his source only saw "moving models" of these characters. It's pretty easy to assume that the moving model his source saw was simply of boss Ridley on Pyrosphere, potentially in some kind of playable boss mode along with Metalface.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Ridley and Meta Ridley were in the text dump. If there's really no leftover data from Brawl in there (one would think Porky and Petey would show up too...), then what's going on?

Porky and Petey did shown up along with other SSE bosses. Take a look at the list again.

 

[The Captain]

Isn't it possible that SpainKiller's source had used the 4chan leak that took the Ninka/Vanroose information and added in those four characters?

 

[theprodigy]

Porky and Petey did shown up along with other SSE bosses. Take a look at the list again.

link to this btw?

 

[IntelliHeath]

link to this btw?

The link is in previous page so Petey is under different name but you can see Porky tho.

 

[Gleethor]

Porky and Petey did shown up along with other SSE bosses. Take a look at the list again.

welp.

 

[backlot]

Isn't it possible that SpainKiller's source had used the 4chan leak that took the Ninka/Vanroose information and added in those four characters?

Yes, it's possible. I'd even say it's likely.

 

[KLatin Scelus]

Isn't it possible that SpainKiller's source had used the 4chan leak that took the Ninka/Vanroose information and added in those four characters?

Nope, his friend said he saw moving models of them.

Kind of wish he specified what their models were doing though.

 

[backlot]

Nope, his friend said he saw moving models of them.

Kind of wish he specified what their models were doing though.

Was his source actually a friend? Seemed like the only reason he believed his source was because he told him about the Koopaling alts.

 

[KLatin Scelus]

Was his source actually a friend? Seemed like the only reason he believed his source was because he told him about the Koopaling alts.

He claimed his friend has never been wrong about anything else, but didn't go into more detail.

Edit: All in all, I'm confused, there's lots of things that shows Ridley may be playable, and there's evidence that proves his clone is a boss. I'm just going to stand on middle ground in till the Wii U version comes out or when we find out what DLC we may get.

 

[NeonZ]

Alternatively

http://www.ssbwiki.com/images/a/a0/Ness_SSB4_Render.png

Sakurai mentioned that the unlockable characters would be revealed only after the American 3ds release date. Although he also talked like he'd reveal nothing Wii U related for a while, and that clearly didn't happen...

 

[Finale Fireworker]

He claimed his friend has never been wrong about anything else, but didn't go into more detail.

His friend supposedly works for the European localization team.

 

[backlot]

He claimed his friend has never been wrong about anything else, but didn't go into more detail.

Yeah, they were never wrong about anything else because they just posted stuff from the Ninka leak.

 

[theprodigy]

Yeah, they were never wrong about anything else because they just posted stuff from the Ninka leak.

lol what

 

[backlot]

lol what

Did Spainkiller actually share any other info that his source got right?

 

[Ahnez]

If a Direct with more info about the Wii U version is planned, I believe Sakurai will hold back the Wii U PotDs.. ;p

 

[theprodigy]

Did Spainkiller actually share any other info that his source got right?

That's a...good question actually.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Nope, his friend said he saw moving models of them.

Kind of wish he specified what their models were doing though.

Yeah, the models could be for bosses haha

 

[theprodigy]

I wonder how much DLC we will actually get.

 

[Jawmuncher]

What exactly gave SpainKillers claim any relevance?