The Abominable Snowman
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It went to the same place as Blanka's grab->U1 crossup shenanigans. it'll be okSUPARSTARX said:Rest in peace, throw into Ultra 2 50/50 shenanigans
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Super Street Fighter 4 |OT2| BACK OF THE BUS, SAGAT!
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Arpharmd B
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Loving all the changes so far.
Arpharmd B
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Since when is Rufus anything to worry about in Super. There are plenty of better characters.
Yun and Yang sounding awesome as well.
Yun and Yang sounding awesome as well.
BamYouHaveAids
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Why remove one of seth's most useful moves? It isn't like he was whored and didn't already have a substantial short comings, tier list be damned.
Booooo, buffs to weaker characters > nerfs to everyone.
Booooo, buffs to weaker characters > nerfs to everyone.
Killa Sasa
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Dear capcom, if those cammy changes are final, please kindly go to hell.
Thanks douchebags,
Sasa
Seriously if they're taking out that big of a threat, give me a strike out of hooligan. Or up dat damage back to where it was. Make it overhead if the height restriction is big.
Going to be reeeeeaally mad if this stays the way it is.
Also, why they hate guile again?
Makes me worried to see what they'll do with Sagat (or what they won't with rufus akuma and rog). I feel like everyone's taking crazy pills.
Thanks douchebags,
Sasa
Seriously if they're taking out that big of a threat, give me a strike out of hooligan. Or up dat damage back to where it was. Make it overhead if the height restriction is big.
Going to be reeeeeaally mad if this stays the way it is.
Also, why they hate guile again?
Makes me worried to see what they'll do with Sagat (or what they won't with rufus akuma and rog). I feel like everyone's taking crazy pills.
MiniBossBattle
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boo on bison's U2 changing to a chargemove. I feel like having it punishable would make it more fair. back to getting fireballed to death.
TurtleSnatcher
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God damn these changes are
I was LMAO watching Lamerboi try to play the "new" Guile on Xbox Live. Flash kick only to build meter no booms allowed! :lol He was doing a ton of putting on taking off shades too.
Really though I'll wait till the changes are finalized, but even I'm like WTF at no meter of booms. Reduced meter? Sure. No meter? Uuh...come on Capcom.
I'm glad Yang ended up legit again. If Rolento doesn't make it, Alex doesn't make it, and Q doesn't make it, then I'll pick up Yang.
Really though I'll wait till the changes are finalized, but even I'm like WTF at no meter of booms. Reduced meter? Sure. No meter? Uuh...come on Capcom.
I'm glad Yang ended up legit again. If Rolento doesn't make it, Alex doesn't make it, and Q doesn't make it, then I'll pick up Yang.
OmnipotentO
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Wow... did not expect these changes to be this huge...
EX Hayate armor break
EX Hayate armor break
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fuck SethBamYouHaveAids said:
marathonfool
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I was just thinking about the changes reported, I think Ono is trying to make the game more offensive instead of lame.
Ryu and Akuma no longer able to run away from the corner. Guile forced to play up close without EX Booms. Seth can't spam that FP jumping away. Blanka is closer on blocked balls so the fight resets in footsie distance.
Ryu and Akuma no longer able to run away from the corner. Guile forced to play up close without EX Booms. Seth can't spam that FP jumping away. Blanka is closer on blocked balls so the fight resets in footsie distance.
BamYouHaveAids
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Doesn't make sense considering the Cammy, Honda, Gief, and Bison nerfs. Nope just weird nerfs all around!marathonfool said:
BamYouHaveAids said:
This. I sincerely don't think the nerfs marathonfool mentioned are really bad or outrageous. It'll make those characters actually have to play some offense rather than have the exact same strategies from everyone that plays those characters. Guile not getting super meter for sonic booms doesn't make much sense. Cammy's nerf especially doesn't make any sense at all, though.
Seth's jumping HP is 50% of his offense. He's almost nothing now. You have to semi-turtle with him, especially against T.Hawk and Zangief. At least make it neutral jump only. The guy dies in only a few hits and one of the few characters that is a hit or miss against randoms.
Everything else thus far seems fine with me. The less turtles, the better.
Everything else thus far seems fine with me. The less turtles, the better.
the_log_ride
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AZ Greg said:
I'll actually cosign on this XD
Xevren said:
Not a chance, man.
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Cammy's nerf makes perfect sense because it goes against the normale execution of the move in air off the ground wich was rediculousCrisis said:
no other Street Fighter game had air specials being able to pull off at such fast frame as that wich made it ridiculous
I hope Dhalsim gets the same Cammy treatment for his Air-Teleport which is also retarded in SF4 and SSF4
marathonfool
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The EX Green Hand is probably just +3 on hit or something resulting in a potential mixup like Abel's step kick or Fei's chicken wing.BamYouHaveAids said:
Cammy might not be as bad as people think. You can still EX TKCS. Blow up crouch tech with standing strong or crouching fierce. She just can't build meter like before spamming TKCS full screen.
Bison could be fine if they reduce the startup frames. It'll be like Chun Li's U1.
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I wish Seth would be deleted completely from historyAcid08 said:
What the.
A friend of mine sent me an XBL message about Yun and Yang being confirmed, and I've see the Ono pics since last week or whatever, and for this guy to send me that message would mean that he saw something new since he doesn't find the little leaked news like hardcore SF fans would find, so I come straight here and read about the loketest impressions and...
...why would they do that to Blanka? Whyyyyyyy? We work hard for our wins damnit, we don't need any more shit bringing us down!
...making Bison's U2 a charge move? Welcome back accident teleports, I didn't miss you, but you're back.
Honda damage down sucks a fat one but I could hug Capcom for making his U2 HCB x 2 - hug them and have their babies - fuck yeah, the way it SHOULD have been from the beginning.
Did Guile kill their families or something? Unless they improved Flash Kick priority or his worthless U2, or even priority on U1, SB not building meter is a kick in the balls - how's he gonna get meter now?
Thank Capcom for getting some sense for adding armor break to EX Hayate, which AGAIN should have been in from the start - being able to focus every sort of Hayate is pure nonsense. Finally she doesn't need to move like a tank any more, so I don't have to dash into a random uppercut when I want to get close. I can't remember what 3rd Strike axe kicks were like. I hope her grab range was improved, it's the only thing missing now, well, that and a health boost.
I don't see the point of taking out j.HP for Seth, it was one of his useful moves, but it was never abused or anything.
I used Yang because so many friends used Yun, and all I really wanted was for his teleport dash to be in, and it is, so that means I'm going for him when this hits consoles.
Hakan news is ecstasy - so much goodness there, especially oil stacking - that in itself negates my wish to improve his grab range, so thank you for delivering Capcom - everything I could ever want has been done for Hakan!
Oh yeah, I hope they make Dee Jay's link to MP easier, and at least some way to combo into Ultra - I can do MGB into walking U2, but that's so risky that it isn't even viable to me.
A friend of mine sent me an XBL message about Yun and Yang being confirmed, and I've see the Ono pics since last week or whatever, and for this guy to send me that message would mean that he saw something new since he doesn't find the little leaked news like hardcore SF fans would find, so I come straight here and read about the loketest impressions and...
...why would they do that to Blanka? Whyyyyyyy? We work hard for our wins damnit, we don't need any more shit bringing us down!
...making Bison's U2 a charge move? Welcome back accident teleports, I didn't miss you, but you're back.
Honda damage down sucks a fat one but I could hug Capcom for making his U2 HCB x 2 - hug them and have their babies - fuck yeah, the way it SHOULD have been from the beginning.
Did Guile kill their families or something? Unless they improved Flash Kick priority or his worthless U2, or even priority on U1, SB not building meter is a kick in the balls - how's he gonna get meter now?
Thank Capcom for getting some sense for adding armor break to EX Hayate, which AGAIN should have been in from the start - being able to focus every sort of Hayate is pure nonsense. Finally she doesn't need to move like a tank any more, so I don't have to dash into a random uppercut when I want to get close. I can't remember what 3rd Strike axe kicks were like. I hope her grab range was improved, it's the only thing missing now, well, that and a health boost.
I don't see the point of taking out j.HP for Seth, it was one of his useful moves, but it was never abused or anything.
I used Yang because so many friends used Yun, and all I really wanted was for his teleport dash to be in, and it is, so that means I'm going for him when this hits consoles.
Hakan news is ecstasy - so much goodness there, especially oil stacking - that in itself negates my wish to improve his grab range, so thank you for delivering Capcom - everything I could ever want has been done for Hakan!
Oh yeah, I hope they make Dee Jay's link to MP easier, and at least some way to combo into Ultra - I can do MGB into walking U2, but that's so risky that it isn't even viable to me.
SUPARSTARX
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Bison Ultra change makes him sit back more.
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Honda's damage nerf peeves me... the new motion for U2 doesn't phase me much because he is a character that still consider Ultra-less
Blanka's recovery could have been handled a different way.. they could have just made it like SF2 recovery.. but cutting the distant half the distance is giving too much reward for midget characters
fuck Seth j.Hp was a pain for charge characters fuck Seth
Blanka's recovery could have been handled a different way.. they could have just made it like SF2 recovery.. but cutting the distant half the distance is giving too much reward for midget characters
fuck Seth j.Hp was a pain for charge characters fuck Seth
I think that change in guile wasn't that good.
I would had prefer to him to go back to his Vanilla Sonic Boom recovery, but add the ability for the sonic boom to cross up on wake-up (think Blanca ball). It would be awesome as a wake up game against the opponent, yet you stay close for them to punish you or viceversa.
About Makoto, armor break on her Hayate makes perfect sense, yet why not add Armor to it too? Barlog can have both with no problem.
I would also love if Makoto Dash could go below fireballs, that would be fucking awesome.
I would had prefer to him to go back to his Vanilla Sonic Boom recovery, but add the ability for the sonic boom to cross up on wake-up (think Blanca ball). It would be awesome as a wake up game against the opponent, yet you stay close for them to punish you or viceversa.
About Makoto, armor break on her Hayate makes perfect sense, yet why not add Armor to it too? Barlog can have both with no problem.
I would also love if Makoto Dash could go below fireballs, that would be fucking awesome.
Nose Master
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Someone edit the gif of Wong driving into all the racing cones and shit with Ono's face and SF characters.
All these nerfs are so fucking random.
All these nerfs are so fucking random.
This is as stupid as Gen's meter building nerf. Doesn't make any sense at all.
They'd better make it as safe as Honda's headbutt or I'll just break my disc ... or pick Honda.
Shit should have been done in vanilla.
Another WTF right here. Then how does Guild suppose to build meter?
WOW
No more instant cannon strike no more free meter building. Nice!!
OK. Time to dust out my Honda. Fuck this shit.
Killa Sasa
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Height restriction better not be huge for Cannon Strike if that stays in (yuck).
Honestly, in spite of some the location test changes that piss me off royally and I hope don't make it into the final product, it's a bit relieving to see they are helping some of the characters that need it.
Hakan news is great, Makoto news is better than nothing. They should help out Gouken and others too.
Honestly, in spite of some the location test changes that piss me off royally and I hope don't make it into the final product, it's a bit relieving to see they are helping some of the characters that need it.
Hakan news is great, Makoto news is better than nothing. They should help out Gouken and others too.
Acid08 said:
Exactly my point. But at least with these nerfs, even though I don't even agree with half of them are essential to help preventing that.
I rely more on Guile's normals and regular specials so building meter isn't essential to my game. A fast recovering sonic boom is more than enough.
I never use air hurricane kicks to escape so that doesn't really bother me. Akuma still has his teleports and Ryu is a zoning and footsies specialist. Ken is the one that needs it more than they do despite being an offensive character himself.
EX banishing punch will now be another guessing game if it lands correctly or not but it doesn't affect much. Zangief just needs to get in obviously. This nerf will help against the scrubs that spam lariat after knockdowns though. Van may not like it however.
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