GalacticAE
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Super Street Fighter 4 |OT2| BACK OF THE BUS, SAGAT!
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the_log_ride
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gutter_trash said:
Hey, screw you, pal.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
Wow at the Cammy nerf :lol
Not incredibly excited about ex hayate breaking armor, but it's nice I guess. What she really needs is a way to deal with fireballs.
Not sure what "axe kicks are more like they were in 3S" means since I didn't play 3S.
Not incredibly excited about ex hayate breaking armor, but it's nice I guess. What she really needs is a way to deal with fireballs.
Not sure what "axe kicks are more like they were in 3S" means since I didn't play 3S.
OmnipotentO
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I go into a random team battle for like the second time ever and who is in the other team? DBJ, AZ Greg, and Saty...
well... fuck....
well... fuck....
Nose Master
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_Xenon_ said:
Only makes sense if Ryu's fireballs also don't give him any meter. Can you imagine that fight now?
dragonballjoseph
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OmnipotentO said:I go into a random team battle for like the second time ever and who is in the other team? DBJ, AZ Greg, and Saty...
well... fuck....
I don't have to image because as a blanka player I won't see much Ryu fireball spam in the first place. My most concern about Ryu is his insane cr.mk pressure and jab/short xx sweep combo ... and his 3 frame srk hurts too. Well as for Sagat it's another story.Nose Master said:
Killa Sasa
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Acid08 said:
Basically. In this form, it's just a bad decision. Guile's job IS to turtle. It's supposed to be difficult to get to him. That's why he has a pretty poor wakeup game - because you earned a knockdown against one of the game's "wall" characters. Zoning with booms effectively enough to get meter so you can chuck EX Booms as well is part of his design to me - he has the fastest and slowest FB with the best recovery so he can be a really effective zoner. He already isn't that great up close, why force him to have to do it?
He'll probably still get bar if they are blocked but still, it's a nerf that just leaves me wondering wtf, even if it is just for a loke test. Doesn't fit well with the character IMO, why shouldn't you be rewarded with meter for doing your job? Not like it gave a ton anyway but it always helped.
Now you also have the problem of "do I do these with all (or even all the "good") fireballs"? It seems really messy.
I remember when they said they would buff up instead of nerf down.... can't remember who said it, but if they keep going down this path, eventually the game does lose some intensity because nothing hurts anymore, there's no sense of danger. 'Always having a chance' is good up to a certain point but it can hurt the urgency aspect of a game, in my opinion. Who cares if a game with 35-40+ characters has a couple bad matchups if it's fun? Get over it or learn a new character to deal with some of the bad ones instead of having devs water characters down. I'd much rather see better versions of each characters that give certain opponents a hard time than weak to average versions of characters who can give anybody a run for their money. I thought Super was better balanced and was hoping arcade would be a buffed up version of Super, but it looks like they're going down a different path. Contrary to what some say, cheesiness can make a game pretty fun, adding some flavour (up to a point of course - but tons of people find MvC2 fun too. There's balance at the top.).
Who knows though what it'll be like until it's finished and playable. I hope they make good on earlier statements.
marathonfool
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The best part of all this is that I know they can't nerf Guy anymore. :lolPhatSaqs said:
BotoxAgent
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god damn it all these changes sound stupid (except blankas)
if they are going to nerf dive kicks they better nerf Rufus' too. His dive kicks are way easy to do. At least TKCS requires some more degree of skill to use, ugh. They are really sucking the fun out of some of these characters.
if they are going to nerf dive kicks they better nerf Rufus' too. His dive kicks are way easy to do. At least TKCS requires some more degree of skill to use, ugh. They are really sucking the fun out of some of these characters.
Lost Fragment
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Dartastic said:
What character recovers from fireballs so slowly that you can punish them by jumping over and dashing in?
SUPARSTARX
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Know what would be fun? Ex-Green hand link into a new green hand, hit stun into a frame trapped SPD.
DarkoMaledictus
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Zissou said:
They did, you press down taunt and blanka starts to cry... =p!
LeMaximilian
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Reading about the changes is making me mega amped. Gonna blitzkrieg the arcade when this game hits FamilyFun. Back to the good ol days of 3s, where my 2 mains were Yun and Ken. Cant' wait to hear more and see the brothers in action.
DarkoMaledictus
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6:45PM PST-Ryu and Akuma's Air hurricane kicks are not good for escaping anymore. (Anonymous Location Tester)
Wow this is fantastic! No more Akuma trolls escaping all day. Not even scrubs, but top players playing extremely lame!
Wow this is fantastic! No more Akuma trolls escaping all day. Not even scrubs, but top players playing extremely lame!
It's not about the recovery. It's about spacing yourself correctly. I rarely play against any shotos that actually give me problems because of their fireballs. I encounter problems due to bullshit jabs, wakeup SRK's, random SRK's, or other random crap. Granted, if Mak had a way to deal with fireballs so she didn't have to jump in that'd mostly solve that problem, but still. Usually with Makoto at full screen you can dash in, and when they throw a fireball right after that you can just jump over it and HP, HP sweep. Most people are that dumb, and it's usually not a problem. I DO however, have a problem with her lack of an AA game. Fukiage is usually pretty worthless, and her AA normals are really iffy also. Usually I just jump FP. Maybe the new changes to her axe kick will help?Lost Fragment said:
Wandering Leopard
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How could they do that to Cammy if Rufus' dive kicks are just as hard to deal with as hers. Even though I don't main her and she gives my Rose a tonne of problems she's fun to use plus Capcom really need to give Rose higher damager on her spiral - it's amazing it does the same 100 damage as the others.
DarkoMaledictus
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marathonfool said:
Thats fine, problem with this is they would have to remove mashing reversals. Playing offensives sucks when you have to second guess all your combos because the guy is just mashing crazy...
So while I'm lol'ing at the turn of events the arcade loketest is providing, I thought I'd post some more matches with HAV, consisting of my matches with his Abel. Abel is a tough matchup for Cody and apparently tornado throw owns my soul, especially EX Also as a bonus, an extra Dudley match as well haha.
So here we go....
TostitoSalsa (Cody) vs HAV (Abel) 1
TostitoSalsa (Cody) vs HAV (Abel) 2
TostitoSalsa (Cody) vs HAV (Dudley) 4
Also back on topic, Cammy losing instant CS. Praise the lord hallelujah.
Also as a bonus, an extra Dudley match as well haha.So here we go....
TostitoSalsa (Cody) vs HAV (Abel) 1
TostitoSalsa (Cody) vs HAV (Abel) 2
TostitoSalsa (Cody) vs HAV (Dudley) 4
Also back on topic, Cammy losing instant CS. Praise the lord hallelujah.
mjemirzian
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I seem to remember a lot of the same complaining when ssf4's balance changes were revealed. If arcade ssf4 ends up being less balanced than regular ssf4 I'd be very surprised.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
_Xenon_ said:
Problem with charge is they are limited with back down motions and 2 seconds waits, most charge characters do not excel at offense... Take guile, unless u r playing a newb you are going to get blownup trying to rush someone down...
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
Dartastic said:
People who don't know how to space their fireballs aren't a problem for me either. Doesn't matter how "correct" you space yourself if your opponent knows what they're doing and is also spacing themselves correctly.
Picture this: you're both at opposite sides of the screen and your opponent throws a jab fireball and starts walking forward, waiting for you to react. You have to deal with it. How do you deal with it in a way that isn't easy to punish on reaction? Jump gets you AA'd. Tsuguri has a ton of recovery frames. Back jump/fadc backwards forfeits space. Block gives your opponent advantage to do whatever type of pressure he wants relatively safely.
And those are pretty much the only options she has against a situation like that. Combined with the fact that she has the slowest walkspeed in the game, fireballs wreak havoc on her spacing game.
She can also sit back and wait to U2 a fireball I suppose, but that ultra is so slow that you have to dedicate all your mental energy to looking for a fireball to ultra if you don't want it to get blocked.
As far as her AA game goes, you must be playing in another dimension because I think it's really good.
Uh what?DarkoMaledictus said:
Balrog = great on offense.
Bison = great on offense.
DeeJay = pretty good on offense.
Chun Li = pretty good on offense.
Guile = Has potential to be good on offense, but played much better defensively.
Honda = pretty good on offense (but much better on defense)
Blanka = pretty good on offense.
DarkoMaledictus
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SmokeMaxX said:
Not compared to motion characters, i'd like to see a competition guile play offensively lol! Tell that to Lamerboi, I'm not sure he'll agree
! Problem is your mix up game is non existent. You ll rush the local scrub fine, but daigo level players will eat you alive with shotos! When your combos are all based on jumping and you have very little combos outside of a few one twos and no reset game whatsoever... yeah lets say u r better off at defense ;p! (talking about viable combos not training room ones that are just not viable).
Even his knock down move is unsafe and has to be fadc'ed against good chars. Even if you manage a knock them down, lets say your Guile "Vortex" is far from being effective on wake-up ;p! And if you have to play wake-up good luck using your reversal move on cross ups...
Add to the fact that you have no way to combo into your ultra, lets just say your far from being a menace to characters that have several ways to maximize huge damage output with a flick of the stick!
Bison and balrog agreed, but charge character can't all play offensively at high level!
Guile plays a great zoning game, but removing meter from booms just means he will just not use meter anymore (only char meter less), unless you play some scrubs and start rushing them down that is!
Guile is the only one that I don't understand the nerf. For other charge characters you can still play quite offensively because their normal pokes are usually pretty good as well. At the moment it's just too hard to get a comeback against charge characters once they have a life lead and hold down back in full screen.DarkoMaledictus said:
I think the new Guile should be played more like DaggerG's in-your-face Guile rather than the typical sonic boom wall Guile.
Really?DarkoMaledictus said:
Good Honda / Chun / Claw usually keep THEIR opponent in the corner rather than being kept in the corner, and Blanka is supposed to use electricity more often than brain dead downback ball.
dragonballjoseph
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When you don't understand what you are talking about , keep your mouth shut. Otherwise, you look stupid.DarkoMaledictus said:Not compared to motion characters, i'd like to see a competition guile play offensively lol! Tell that to Lamerboi, I'm not sure he'll agree
When your combos are all based on jumping and you have very little combos outside of a few one twos and no reset game whatsoever... yeah lets say u r better off at defense ;p! (talking about viable combos not training room ones that are just not viable).
Even his knock down move is unsafe and has to be fadc'ed against good chars. Even if you manage a knock them down, lets say your Guile "Vortex" is far from being effective on wake-up ;p! And if you have to play wake-up good luck using your reversal move on cross ups...
Add to the fact that you have no way to combo into your ultra, lets just say your far from being a menace to characters that have several ways to maximize huge damage output with a flick of the stick!
Bison and balrog agreed, but charge character can't all play offensively at high level!
Guile plays a great zoning game, but removing meter from booms just means he will just not use meter anymore (only char meter less), unless you play some scrubs and start rushing them down that is!
You still got dat rawg.FindMyFarms said:
FindMyFarms
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fucking capcom fuck you god damnit u bitch
KidA Seven
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come home from the beach... goes on Street Fighter GAF...
Reads...
What the fuck is going on?
Edit: Some dude posted this on eventhubs.
Reads...
What the fuck is going on?
Edit: Some dude posted this on eventhubs.
DryEyeRelief
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Is anyone talking about the possibility of Ingrid being in this game?
That source someone had earlier (I think it was _dementia) about Ingrid and Ruby Heart having spots, it might actually be correct!
That source someone had earlier (I think it was _dementia) about Ingrid and Ruby Heart having spots, it might actually be correct!
DryEyeRelief
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SmokeMaxX said:
apologies for mentioning it then.
akilshohen
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Ruby Heart in SF? :lol
Ingrid is already pushing it.
Does Rose have any changes?
Ingrid is already pushing it.
Does Rose have any changes?
Wandering Leopard
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That move is already fantastic but I don't know why they couldn't just either increase recovery time or just give back his old charge time for that one move.
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