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Super Street Fighter 4 |OT2| BACK OF THE BUS, SAGAT!
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Rice-Eater
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So I just read that Sagat's st. LK is back and his DP does more damage. This will definitely not be Vanilla Sagat, but it looks like the king may make a comeback in Arcade Edition.
FindMyFarms
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hitsugi said:
All the cammy players I've talked to hate the change :/ We'll all switch to Yun :lol
Wandering Leopard
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LowlietL on SRK said:
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Google what?
the_log_ride
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Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Thread of BACK TO THE FRONT OF THE BUS AGAIN, SAGAT
marathonfool
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Cammy might have been given more block/hit stun off the CS now. Her normals probably have better frame advantage so you can go for frame traps. Regular TKCS is gone, but you can probably still CS on the way up.
That is a massive damage nerf on the flip grab. U2 is still awful because of the startup. The target-combo hitbox was dumb on the console version, I'm glad it actually hits people now. The bushin elbow could be useful, but I was hoping for overhead.
gutter_trash
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because its fuckin input bug
fuck her
fuck her
TheGoldenGunman
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~Devil Trigger~ said:
Rigid means execution time. So Marseille Roll takes longer to execute (start-up), that's what it seems to say.
That's quite a change if so. Might remove it as a legit wakeup option.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
I wasn't aware Rose's U2 ever had invincibility. I've karakusa'd her out of wakeup U2.
BamYouHaveAids
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Glad they upped his walk speed (seriously needed) but why the fuck would they decrease zonk range? Gahh, fuck this.
Wandering Leopard
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marathonfool said:
Even so I don't think it will hurt him too much as he's still a high damage character although I do feel kinda bad for Guy players because his recovery sucks on just about everything.
Wandering Leopard
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Lost Fragment said:
I'm confused about that too and I'm not 100% sure but I think she can even be normal meaty thrown out of it as it is.
~Devil Trigger~
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paging Haunts!Degen said:
GOD YES! EX Bingo distance nerf wasn't really needed though, If you're using EX Bingo, you want your opponent to be right next to you anyways. Regular bingo works wonders at long distance though. Just have to see how short the distance is before I can judge on if it's a bad thing.
But yeah, a faster walk speed was soo needed! Now I can actually tick throw without being obvious as fuck! Now Capcom, all you have to do is give me some form of invincibility on EX CU and I won't say shit about anything.
hitsugi
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Gr1mLock said:
It did do a lot, but since bushin elbow was completely worthless, I don't see the point of nerfing the flip in the off chance that you actually land it D: elbow has zero priority and gets beat out by / trades with so many random normals.. but the fact that you'll be able to combo off of it is nice. I guess it's another one of those things that'd be "too good" if it had more priority
The U2 change could be good as well.. I know it has some start up but you gotta admit it'd be a little too powerful if it were instant.
also the MP->HP chain whiffing being fixed is significant
gundamkyoukai
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arstal said:
yeah after thinking about it , not really a big deal .
I just happy that mak at least get something thought they would leave her the same lol.
hitsugi said:
Yep that's the main reason why i stop play him .
Still he needs a few more things done to him.
Rice-Eater
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It'd be nice if someone were to try HCF+K with Ryu just to see if anything happens 
Arpharmd B
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The more I read, the more I see why people are hating the changes, but to me changes are just changes, some people worry too much and should just chill and roll with it. Can't play the same game forever, I welcome them, try to understand why it is getting changed, and adapt.
Nerfing the tatsu escape was good. The rest are up for debate, admittedly I don't have the most intimate knowledge of this game like I did with past SFs, but I do have a solid grasp and all the changes so far make sense to me, except Cammy really.
I don't really care what they do to Rufus so long as they give me Alex
Nerfing the tatsu escape was good. The rest are up for debate, admittedly I don't have the most intimate knowledge of this game like I did with past SFs, but I do have a solid grasp and all the changes so far make sense to me, except Cammy really.
I don't really care what they do to Rufus so long as they give me Alex
Arpharmd B
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Does anyone know yet:
Yun + Yang divekicks. Are they like Rufus, or are they like 3s?
In 3s the kick was pretty much instant, whereas with Rufus he actually pauses midair briefly while it starts up. It is tiny, but it is enough to feel totally different and those who have used yun and yang in 3s and Rufus in 4 will know what I'm talking about.
Also pretty positive you can't do otg dives with the twins either in 3s.
Yun + Yang divekicks. Are they like Rufus, or are they like 3s?
In 3s the kick was pretty much instant, whereas with Rufus he actually pauses midair briefly while it starts up. It is tiny, but it is enough to feel totally different and those who have used yun and yang in 3s and Rufus in 4 will know what I'm talking about.
Also pretty positive you can't do otg dives with the twins either in 3s.
hitsugi said:
yeah i mean guy doesn't really need a whole lot. He wasn't ever stellar and im fine with him being a solid mid tier character. The bushin flip grab nerf makes no sense either way, its like they did it to offset his fixes i e to compensate for the fact that worthless combos now work?.. weird way to balance things. They said his slide is faster..but im wondering which slide?..run silde or down roundhouse? theyre both fine and dont really need buffs. U2 does need something..cause that thing is borderline worthless as is. It would be too strong if it was like an FAB but at 5 frames its literally worthless. Either make it around 3 frame startup and nerf the damage or make it just like a real grab ultra but tweak the range. I would personally really appreciate a walkspeed boost. Guys normals are..not great..he's a footsie character that cant play footsies anymore.
gundamkyoukai
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DR2K said:
It's not really a big deal as said in my next post .
Arpharmd B
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Gr1mLock said:
I really like Guy in Super, and I loved the big damage off of Bushin flip.
But you have to admit, it's BIG damage, like borderline insane retarded damage. That was the -first- thing I ever noticed about Super, was man this thing hits HARD lol.
A nice tradeoff would be if more of his stuff worked on crouching opponents, they improved the dropping elbow or his jump speed, made lk run cancel stop on a dime, etc.
Arpharmd B
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hitsugi said:
Now that you mention it, I wish they would change that for Rufus.
The way it is now, short dives are actually kind of tricky to pull off, and when you are using them to bait shoryukens, fucking even one up is life or death in that matchup (and I do mean this, the Ryu player we have down here is intense).
hitsugi
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With regards to Guy, maybe I just don't know something but his close s.LK seems to not do anything where as in alpha he used to be able to s.LP, s.LK -> Bushin chain..
I messed with it a little when I first got the game, but it didn't seem like you could do anything with his close LK besides run slide..
I messed with it a little when I first got the game, but it didn't seem like you could do anything with his close LK besides run slide..
the_log_ride
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Threi said:
Just that one bit about st.HK hitting mid now
It's damage is/was in proportion to its usability and the damage potential of the character. He can't combo into it (outside of FA, durr) and you can jump out of it on reaction with ease. It's range is deceptively short too. ultimately, you're not going to land it unless your opponent does something stupid right in front of you.Joekage said:
Imm0rt4l said:
You deserve a damage nerf.
AZ Greg
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Solid_Rain said:
FUCK YES! Vega EX ST being viable is one of the big things I wanted! Should be better as AA too! Now just give me a more viable combo into either one of his ultras and
EX FBA damage nerf is a little disappointing, but I don't see them taking too much off of it. I just hope they don't nerf: df.rh > rh st or df.rh > ex st
Also, new nerfs that warm my heart:
- Abel TT doing less dmg and U2 having more recovery
- Fuerte U2 dmg reduction
- Guy flip grab move doing less dmg
- Rose U2 being more vulnerable
Arpharmd B said:
yea but you gotta consider all the variables. bushin flip loses to a stiff breeze. the risk reward is totally off whack..its like he doesnt even HAVE that move.. one out of ten attempts to get it MIGHT work. its like a freak accident in this game and it shouldnt be. like hitsugi said he just doesnt have a bunch of his signature tools. He has no pokes!! lol. its just not viable to nerf a character thats already pretty bad. But we dont have the whole picture yet. if they fixed flip elbow then im fine with flip grab losing damage.
Hot Coldman
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Wait, are Yun and Yang seperate characters?
Been waiting for something to push me over from Rose to Makoto for sure... If you thought I spammed EX Overhead alot now, just you wait! I hope with this many changes it doesn't turn into some type of another $40 SSF4 Championship edition release or something but rather is some type of cheaper DLC.
Arpharmd B
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hitsugi said:
In Alpha 2, you could do lp. lk. xx hurricane kick or c.mk cancel first hit into hurricane. Bushin flips were fast as hell, and if you did one near the corner you could combo into level 3 super (which is the same in 4).
Yes, combo after a throw, pretty much unheard of, and he was the only character who could IIRC.
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