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Super Street Fighter 4 |OT2| BACK OF THE BUS, SAGAT!
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marathonfool
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Do you have to be a confirmed member to view or just registered?Relix said:
TheFightingFish
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Relix said:
I kinda get why they do it though. I follow this thread, so I get what's going on in it. But if I check out the Halo: Reach thread randomly I can never tell what the heck anyone is talking about...and I play Reach. Long running threads for multiplayer focused games tend to get kinda cliquish and get really clogged up with random in jokes between long running member and are not really friendly to random browsers. Thus the move to just bump them over to their own little section. At least that is my assumption for the move. Kinda stinks for me though, I like all the info I get lurking in this thread and even with subs I'll probably forget to check in on it.
sixteen-bit
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Love it.marathonfool said:
Online forum now :/ hope the thread remains active.
Spiderjericho
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Love the murderface. And FMF, awesome job during the tournament this past weekend.
Sorry the out of towners had to come and sort of ruin the Texas party.
Sorry the out of towners had to come and sort of ruin the Texas party.
As a long time Blanka mainer (though I've dabbled in various other characters), I've caught a lot of flak for my character choice. Lately, I have been messing around with... Viper. I realize this choice doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but I'm having fun, damn it! The problem is that I'm getting worked over online, especially in certain match-ups. I know there are some excellent Viper players on GAF, so I thought I'd see if anybody has any advice.
1. Against Abel, what's the best way to punish wheel kick spam?
2. What the hell am I supposed to do against boxer? If I stay on the ground, I get bodied by his godlike normals. The second I'm anywhere in the air I eat headbutt and ultra if he's got it. If he packs it in holding downback and doing nothing, I can apply seismo pressure, but he can use ex-whatever with armor to absorb the hit and punish if I get too predictable.
3. Against a good Adon, seismos seem pretty worthless because he'll be off the ground applying tons of pressure with his relatively safe specials. He also has pretty good anti-air which he can FADC into ultra, or he can just use the ultra raw to keep me grounded. What's the game plan for this match?
4. Claw: Obviously you can focus wall dive stuff, but I find myself getting caught by a lot of izuna drops. What are my air-to-air options for stuffing that? Also, what is my best bet air-to-air for beating his air throw? Finally, I know I'm supposed to pressure him on his weak wake up, but I haven't really gotten that down yet. Any tips?
That's probably enough for now :lol Help me Viper-gaf, you're my only hope!
1. Against Abel, what's the best way to punish wheel kick spam?
2. What the hell am I supposed to do against boxer? If I stay on the ground, I get bodied by his godlike normals. The second I'm anywhere in the air I eat headbutt and ultra if he's got it. If he packs it in holding downback and doing nothing, I can apply seismo pressure, but he can use ex-whatever with armor to absorb the hit and punish if I get too predictable.
3. Against a good Adon, seismos seem pretty worthless because he'll be off the ground applying tons of pressure with his relatively safe specials. He also has pretty good anti-air which he can FADC into ultra, or he can just use the ultra raw to keep me grounded. What's the game plan for this match?
4. Claw: Obviously you can focus wall dive stuff, but I find myself getting caught by a lot of izuna drops. What are my air-to-air options for stuffing that? Also, what is my best bet air-to-air for beating his air throw? Finally, I know I'm supposed to pressure him on his weak wake up, but I haven't really gotten that down yet. Any tips?
That's probably enough for now :lol Help me Viper-gaf, you're my only hope!
notworksafe
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If the WoW thread is any example, there shouldn't be any problem with staying active._dementia said:
CHUN-LIjlai said:
Normals
-cr.HK does less stun, st.MP does less damage
Focus Attack
-Vulnerable hitbox is bigger
Unique Attacks
-Backflip (DF+LK) has more start-up, larger vulnerable hitbox (meaning less priority). If it connects you still can do the same follow-ups as before.
Also has a slightly longer startup. Haven't fully looked over Fuerte yet though. Sakura is probably next.Threi said:
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
lol they made her FA = bfierce from 3rd strikeUSD said:
SAKURA
Normals
-cl.MP has less recovery. It can now link into cr.MP and cr.MK (now +5, at least)
-Far st.MP is now cancellable, like Ryu
-Far st.MK has a smaller vulnerable hitbox at the foot, giving it more priority
Specials
-Air Tatsu (including EX) will land more hits in mid-air (I'm guessing this mean she spins faster)
-Hadoken has less recovery, dependent on the level of charge
-Various other slight buffs (to attack range, damage, recovery, etc.)
Normals
-cl.MP has less recovery. It can now link into cr.MP and cr.MK (now +5, at least)
-Far st.MP is now cancellable, like Ryu
-Far st.MK has a smaller vulnerable hitbox at the foot, giving it more priority
Specials
-Air Tatsu (including EX) will land more hits in mid-air (I'm guessing this mean she spins faster)
-Hadoken has less recovery, dependent on the level of charge
-Various other slight buffs (to attack range, damage, recovery, etc.)
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Alpha Sakura is born?
EL FUERTE
Normals
-far st.LP startup is now 4 frames (one frame faster), more active frames
-cr.LP startup is now 4 frames (one frame faster), more active frames, is now chainable
Specials
-Guacamole (including EX) has more landing recovery
-Tortilla no longer has invincibility, making it easier to counter
Ultras
-Ultra Spark (UC2) has slightly more startup, less damage (now does less than UC1, which currently does 470). The hitbox also changes with the movement of the Ultra, so it's harder to connect with.
Normals
-far st.LP startup is now 4 frames (one frame faster), more active frames
-cr.LP startup is now 4 frames (one frame faster), more active frames, is now chainable
Specials
-Guacamole (including EX) has more landing recovery
-Tortilla no longer has invincibility, making it easier to counter
Ultras
-Ultra Spark (UC2) has slightly more startup, less damage (now does less than UC1, which currently does 470). The hitbox also changes with the movement of the Ultra, so it's harder to connect with.
the_log_ride
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How do ELF players feel bout his changes?
Interesting tweaks to Sak, though. Wonder what Joe thinks of Cody's revisions, too.
Interesting tweaks to Sak, though. Wonder what Joe thinks of Cody's revisions, too.
CODY
Normals
-cr.LK is now 3 frames (1 frame faster). It doesn't have more frame advantage (+2), so the only thing you can do after is cancel into a special, but since it has good reach and hits low, it's more useful than before.
Unique Attacks
-The juggle for Crack Kick (F+HK) has been improved. Before, when doing Crack Kick > EX CU, the first hits of EX Criminal Upper wouldn't hit. Now they all will connect.
-The pick-up range for the knife is increased.
Next week is Honda, Gouken, Rose and Ibuki.
Normals
-cr.LK is now 3 frames (1 frame faster). It doesn't have more frame advantage (+2), so the only thing you can do after is cancel into a special, but since it has good reach and hits low, it's more useful than before.
Unique Attacks
-The juggle for Crack Kick (F+HK) has been improved. Before, when doing Crack Kick > EX CU, the first hits of EX Criminal Upper wouldn't hit. Now they all will connect.
-The pick-up range for the knife is increased.
Next week is Honda, Gouken, Rose and Ibuki.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Elf did Not need all the nerfs on his specials, Tortilla's not that godly why make it easier to punish?the_log_ride said:
And everything in one post. Don't take my translation as law, I'm sure I fucked up something somewhere.
CHUN-LI
Normals
-cr.HK does less stun, st.MP does less damage
Focus Attack
-Vulnerable hitbox is bigger
Unique Attacks
-Backflip (DF+LK) has more start-up, larger vulnerable hitbox (meaning less priority). If it connects you still can do the same follow-ups as before.
EL FUERTE
Normals
-far st.LP startup is now 4 frames (one frame faster), more active frames
-cr.LP startup is now 4 frames (one frame faster), more active frames, is now chainable
Specials
-Guacamole (including EX) has more landing recovery
-Tortilla no longer has invincibility, making it easier to counter
Ultras
-Ultra Spark (UC2) has slightly more startup, less damage (now does less than UC1, which currently does 470). The hitbox also changes with the movement of the Ultra, so it's harder to connect with.
SAKURA
Normals
-cl.MP has less recovery. It can now link into cr.MP and cr.MK (now +5, at least)
-Far st.MP is now cancellable, like Ryu
-Far st.MK has a smaller vulnerable hitbox at the foot, giving it more priority
Specials
-Air Tatsu (including EX) will land more hits in mid-air (I'm guessing this mean she spins faster)
-Hadoken has less recovery, dependent on the level of charge
-Various other slight buffs (to attack range, damage, recovery, etc.)
CODY
Normals
-cr.LK is now 3 frames (1 frame faster). It doesn't have more frame advantage (+2), so the only thing you can do after is cancel into a special, but since it has good reach and hits low, it's more useful than before.
Unique Attacks
-The juggle for Crack Kick (F+HK) has been improved. Before, when doing Crack Kick > EX CU, the first hits of EX Criminal Upper wouldn't hit. Now they all will connect.
-The pick-up range for the knife is increased.
Next week is Honda, Gouken, Rose and Ibuki.
CHUN-LI
Normals
-cr.HK does less stun, st.MP does less damage
Focus Attack
-Vulnerable hitbox is bigger
Unique Attacks
-Backflip (DF+LK) has more start-up, larger vulnerable hitbox (meaning less priority). If it connects you still can do the same follow-ups as before.
EL FUERTE
Normals
-far st.LP startup is now 4 frames (one frame faster), more active frames
-cr.LP startup is now 4 frames (one frame faster), more active frames, is now chainable
Specials
-Guacamole (including EX) has more landing recovery
-Tortilla no longer has invincibility, making it easier to counter
Ultras
-Ultra Spark (UC2) has slightly more startup, less damage (now does less than UC1, which currently does 470). The hitbox also changes with the movement of the Ultra, so it's harder to connect with.
SAKURA
Normals
-cl.MP has less recovery. It can now link into cr.MP and cr.MK (now +5, at least)
-Far st.MP is now cancellable, like Ryu
-Far st.MK has a smaller vulnerable hitbox at the foot, giving it more priority
Specials
-Air Tatsu (including EX) will land more hits in mid-air (I'm guessing this mean she spins faster)
-Hadoken has less recovery, dependent on the level of charge
-Various other slight buffs (to attack range, damage, recovery, etc.)
CODY
Normals
-cr.LK is now 3 frames (1 frame faster). It doesn't have more frame advantage (+2), so the only thing you can do after is cancel into a special, but since it has good reach and hits low, it's more useful than before.
Unique Attacks
-The juggle for Crack Kick (F+HK) has been improved. Before, when doing Crack Kick > EX CU, the first hits of EX Criminal Upper wouldn't hit. Now they all will connect.
-The pick-up range for the knife is increased.
Next week is Honda, Gouken, Rose and Ibuki.
AkumaHokoru
Member
very little matchmaking is done here...dont understand the move.
the_log_ride
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AkumaHokoru said:
Plus we got the specific matchmaking threads up already.
Yeah, figured the ELF tweaks were gonna raise some red flags. For Cody, doesn't cr.LK cancel into specials?
sixteen-bit
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Face it Tiger..
Banned
Online discussion?! this is some bullsheet.
We game here too! :'(
We game here too! :'(
KidA Seven
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We just got foreclosed.
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Can't wait to hear the changes on ibuki.
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Can't wait to hear the changes on ibuki.
Spiderjericho
Member
Yeah, I can sort of understand it but not quite.
We discuss the new game, SSFIVAE, DLC updates, tournament results, watch streams together, ask advice, etc.
There's absolutely no matchmaking (okay, a little).
Nerdjosh was right.
So, what, we going to have two threads now?
We discuss the new game, SSFIVAE, DLC updates, tournament results, watch streams together, ask advice, etc.
There's absolutely no matchmaking (okay, a little).
Nerdjosh was right.
So, what, we going to have two threads now?
dragonballjoseph
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Everyone stay away from dat sak. She's mine, you all had your chance.
I'm sure I'll get the "b-bu- look at the Fuerte changes! 
" response, but I'm going to say it anyway.
Those Chun changes seem like enough people complained about her so they just made random nerfs. I don't get the st. MP nerf. It's not like that move does a ton of damage, and you can't combo out of it except for Super which requires a charge that takes longer than what st. MP is active for. It also seems like they nerfed df LK back to Vanilla levels of uselessness. Again, not sure why. She had it for a reason. Sweep stun nerf? Don't care. Does 200 stun, has good range, untechable knockdown, as is. I can live with it doing less stun.
I actually agree with the Fuerte nerfs. I do not agree with no significant buffs to compensate. That guy is going to be completely useless in AE if he isn't already.
" response, but I'm going to say it anyway.Those Chun changes seem like enough people complained about her so they just made random nerfs. I don't get the st. MP nerf. It's not like that move does a ton of damage, and you can't combo out of it except for Super which requires a charge that takes longer than what st. MP is active for. It also seems like they nerfed df LK back to Vanilla levels of uselessness. Again, not sure why. She had it for a reason. Sweep stun nerf? Don't care. Does 200 stun, has good range, untechable knockdown, as is. I can live with it doing less stun.
I actually agree with the Fuerte nerfs. I do not agree with no significant buffs to compensate. That guy is going to be completely useless in AE if he isn't already.
BotoxAgent
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_dementia said:
these are so awesome!! Go Justin
dragonballjoseph
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So.... any explanation as to why the thread was moved to the online section?
Stickied in the gaming section:dragonballjoseph said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24281138&postcount=1
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