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Super Street Fighter 4 |OT2| BACK OF THE BUS, SAGAT!
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Teknopathetic
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I'm not in the 3S dicksuck brigade (get over that god damned game), but I still can't do Tackle Tackle Headbutt consistently.
Were the long juggles, parries and speed extant in SSF4 they'd be harder, because what makes SSF4 difficult execution wise is not capacity; indeed, the game's mechanics are very limited, but the game's shit engine. Executing basic motions in SSF4 can often be a challenge due to all the contingencies brought about by circumstances and shortcuts, forcing one to be, ironically, more precise.
Imagine you're playing 3S having to link normals and do Urien Aegis setups in SSF4's engine.
Yeah..
Reversal timing is the only thing that's relatively stress-free. Links are more than memorization - they require rhythm timing, complexing their execution in heated circumstances that much more.
Despite the game's speed, when I play 3rd Strike or the Alpha series, I can execute whatever's in my capacity at any moment, and when I screw up an input, I know it's because I dropped an input, not because I wasn't mindful of some contingency hanging in the balance, giving me something else. Because of this, the controls feel extremely tight, making them feel that much less stress free, execution wise.
If you're more used to SSF4's leniency, of course they will feel harder. But, assuming being able to execute Super's in 3rd Strike at will, will translate to tighter execution in SSF4 is false IMO, because the means for execution are different in the latter.
There's a thread on SRK with veteran posters confused about how to perform Dash -> Fireball without getting a DP. This isn't a combo, or a juggle, or specific setup of any sort - it's just an example of a mundane movement pattern that pops up in fighting games all the time that becomes obfuscated by SSF4's arcane engine. Obviously, if one know's how, this distraction can be obviated; but that's part of my point. It is mundane, it is a distraction and it has to be obviated, consciously at all times.
Imagine you're playing 3S having to link normals and do Urien Aegis setups in SSF4's engine.
Yeah..
Reversal timing is the only thing that's relatively stress-free. Links are more than memorization - they require rhythm timing, complexing their execution in heated circumstances that much more.
Despite the game's speed, when I play 3rd Strike or the Alpha series, I can execute whatever's in my capacity at any moment, and when I screw up an input, I know it's because I dropped an input, not because I wasn't mindful of some contingency hanging in the balance, giving me something else. Because of this, the controls feel extremely tight, making them feel that much less stress free, execution wise.
Chaotix said:
If you're more used to SSF4's leniency, of course they will feel harder. But, assuming being able to execute Super's in 3rd Strike at will, will translate to tighter execution in SSF4 is false IMO, because the means for execution are different in the latter.
There's a thread on SRK with veteran posters confused about how to perform Dash -> Fireball without getting a DP. This isn't a combo, or a juggle, or specific setup of any sort - it's just an example of a mundane movement pattern that pops up in fighting games all the time that becomes obfuscated by SSF4's arcane engine. Obviously, if one know's how, this distraction can be obviated; but that's part of my point. It is mundane, it is a distraction and it has to be obviated, consciously at all times.
AkumaHokoru
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In my opinion each game has it's own demands with regards to execution, and paradoxically the more lenient inputs of SF4 is what provides it's difficulty. The stricter input system of 3S (and all the SF2's before it) along with a smaller window to execute makes you realize just how overly lenient the system is in SF4. In 3S (at least from the little I've played) it seems almost impossible to get an accidental super even if you are sloppy with your inputs, whereas in SF4 it is almost impossible to NOT get a super for even 1 extra directional input during an srk motion. I prefer the stricter system by far since my execution is sloppy and it blows me up daily in SF4. Also when I play the older games I can notice just how much worse my execution has gotten since I rely on the lenient system in SF4. I have trouble getting shoryus to come out regularly. D:God's Beard said:
The bigger input window and more lenient inputs of the SF4 engine means it is MUCH easier to get accidental moves and therefore requires it's own level of precision. For example, the command for Yoga Blast is HCB + K. Yet the game will accept
I just saw this shit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOV67ynV7CI
I've never disliked FChamp, but I'm starting to wish bodily harm upon him. Have some fucking respect.
I've never disliked FChamp, but I'm starting to wish bodily harm upon him. Have some fucking respect.
BotoxAgent
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Imm0rt4l said:
doesn't madcatz pay his way?
and I dislike f.champ so much, lol
Spiderjericho
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Imm0rt4l said:
He'll lose again to Filipinochamp. Dhalsim is a bad matchup for Ryu. Am I saying he can't succeed, no but look at the way he plays Dhalsim, he has to take so many risks and eat many limbs in order to get in.
I can't believe Champ was talking sideways at the end of that video. Ha, ha, ha. Champ for president.
And anyone know where I can get those SOR2 remixes?
DryEyeRelief
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Imm0rt4l said:
when was daigo confirmed?
Aruarian Reflection
Chauffeur de la gdlk
DryEyeRelief said:
Probably months ago, as Daigo appearing at majors is the most predictable move in the scene.
Serious answer: today
sixteen-bit
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He's sponsoredImm0rt4l said:
Spiderjericho
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_dementia said:
Or the event holders pay for him to fly out. I'm sure it wasn't like that in the past but with IV and his popularity growing, he's doing okay (doubt he's a thousandaire).
And just finally read the sonichurricane post and the thread on SRK. Wow. A lot of salt in the community right now between some of the shenanigans.
dragonballjoseph
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Especially at 4 am.Axis said:
Also, when searching for some endless battles, SRKlive and Peaceful Jay appeared right next to each other. :lol
Lost Fragment
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Oh God I didn't intend to start a big debate. What have I dooooooonnnne.
Fragment. I'm a pretty huge 3S newbie though.
I'm not sure why you're ignoring all the bad matches Champ overcame to win SCR.
ShinobiFist said:
Fragment. I'm a pretty huge 3S newbie though.
Spiderjericho said:
I'm not sure why you're ignoring all the bad matches Champ overcame to win SCR.
DryEyeRelief
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Lost Fragment said:
or the fact that daigo vs champ pretty much went down to the wire.
Spiderjericho
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Lost Fragment said:
You're right. And I was going to post this yesterday after the OMG Dhalsim/Ryu matchup wasn't in Daigo's favor. Filipino Champ dominated Ricky in their match (Ricky used Rufus, who has an advantage against Dhalsim). And he caused Wong to switch to Cammy and still won.
I'm not saying Daigo can't beat Champ. It's just going to be tough. A good Dhalsim gives him trouble (see YMCmochi, Champ and Arturo). He can't play his normal style against Dhalsim.
Spiderjericho
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haunts said:
more ipw/NCR hype said:
I wanted to buy the SSFIV all-in-one pack.
DryEyeRelief
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haunts said:
is this sarcasm? don't ever change. it was a nice change from the commentary at scr.
i wasn't surprised at the daigo announcement since darry gave it away during the iplaywinner stream last night. "at ncr I'm going to call daigo a bitch" Though I'm a little bummed because i heard mago was going to go too.
Spiderjericho
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New Mike Ross/Gootecks adventures (courtesy of IPW/CrossCounter)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0ffxST6sRk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0ffxST6sRk
And Real Life Adventures #3: Canadaaa!Spiderjericho said:
Spiderjericho
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haunts said:
Is it the one of his character art from Alpha 3? And there's nothing wrong with switching characters. No point in playing if you can't have fun.
BotoxAgent
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Last night, one of the people I fought on endless said, "Guy is a homo." I didn't reply, but I'll take it as a sign of making progress 
I bought a Chun and Cammy shirt from Triumvir with the SCR discount....can't wait!
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Marn's so awesome in this :lol
absolute defense!! \m/
I bought a Chun and Cammy shirt from Triumvir with the SCR discount....can't wait!
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Spiderjericho said:
Marn's so awesome in this :lol
absolute defense!! \m/
FindMyFarms
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Lost Fragment said:
Nah, if you play 3s a lot you'll end up getting used to their super shortcuts, which will end up dickin you over for sf4. You'll be gettin ex seismos/uppercuts/etc. instead of ultras.
3s super shortcut - d,df,f,d,df
sf4 - d,df,d,df,f
You don't wanna adjust to another game's shortcut just to have to readjust to Supers. That's why when sf4 had just came out, you'd always see people doing SRK fadc SRK, because everyone was so used to the 3s shortcut at the time.
If you're looking for execution alone then you'll wanna stick to HDR or ST, mainly ST though. Outside of CvS2 that game probably has the hardest shit to do.
Rice-Eater
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zon said:
Well if you've seen the Filipino Champ interview with SRK, the exact opposite happened. Tokido bodied Champ in consecutive money matches and then he proceeds to blame America for losing because we have shitty Akuma's and couldn't properly prepare him for the match up :lol
Aruarian Reflection
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haunts said:
Triumvir getting desperate :lol
I kid, I like them. If you haven't heard, the big bosses at Triumvir are moving on to bigger and better things. SF Alpha is their last collection. RIP Triumvir.
Spiderjericho
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I think it was cool that there were "official" Street Fighter shirts but after buying the second round of shirts (from the Shadaloo Collection), I thought they were a bit lackluster, as they just took the official Capcom art and threw on maybe some Kanji and the Triumvir logo.
I like the Kineda joints. Or the one where it's a table top with SF characters as random things.
I like the Kineda joints. Or the one where it's a table top with SF characters as random things.
BotoxAgent
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Rice-Eater said:
what the hell
Rice-Eater
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BotoxAgent said:
Skip to 3:00 and listen for yourself
http://shoryuken.com/content/blg-filipino-champ-interview-shoryuken-com-2381/
"God's Beard!"
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Teknopathetic said:
Hey, I think 3s and SFIV have their own merits as very different games
ST sucks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO7_zkU9Ax8
the_log_ride
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Morro! said:
Add me, too. the_log_ride
I need to brush away the cobwebs.
We're putting together a podcast with the owner of EventHubs to talk about the recent drama. He dosent want me on there but it will be a one on one with Pherai who will handle all the questions. Should be interesting.
We're going to try to get Maj on one too so he can talk more about the situation and where he plans to go in the future.
We're going to try to get Maj on one too so he can talk more about the situation and where he plans to go in the future.
Axis said:why wouldn't he want you on there?
Apparently he dosent "trust" me. I guess he knows I have issues with some of the content on the site and how its positioned and just general practices. I wasnt going to blow him up but instead try to be objective and just ask questions.
It is what it is though, I see where he is coming from I guess.
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