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Super Street Fighter 4 |OT2| BACK OF THE BUS, SAGAT!
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OmnipotentO
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Hakan = fixed -> god tier confirmed
stabicron7
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Well I did mess around with Deejay off and on because I think he's fun but this might make me try and use him a bit more.
"God's Beard!"
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Huh. I get different answers for that every time I ask. I know gief's oki is really good, but the whole command grab/U2/green hand pressure makes for a scary guess time.
I'm not sure about that. Fuhajin kick cannot be cancelled (only the fireball can be cancelled) and from the distance it pushes opponent back in the first AE trailer it seems you can't even land a full ex pinwheel after that. Besides that move has some really shitty range: it whiffs after a standard cr.lk st.lk cr.mp (or cr.lk) bnb. Let alone the damage of it actually got nerfed according to the blog.kitzkozan said:
black_vegeta
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Freejay no longer?
"God's Beard!"
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black_vegeta said:
dragonballjoseph
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So apparently, Dan can trade EX tatsu into ultra anywhere on the screen. You only get two hits, but it looks soooo good. 
DryEyeRelief
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Yun and Yang's chef alts have to be distributed eventually. Another set of DLC costumes are most likely in the works...
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
Dem breastasisis.
edit: SSF4 Tier list Analysis: Ep. 3
"Oh, and Ryan Ramirez beats your ass like you owe him drug money." :lol
edit: SSF4 Tier list Analysis: Ep. 3
"Oh, and Ryan Ramirez beats your ass like you owe him drug money." :lol
sixteen-bit
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Feel the rhythm, feel the rhyme!
Nice to see the Deejay buffs.
Also, I hate all the alts in the new pack except Adon's because it's so damn funny looking.
Nice to see the Deejay buffs.
Also, I hate all the alts in the new pack except Adon's because it's so damn funny looking.
I think it gives him less braindead options which is what Capcom is trying to get away from. Some characters, once knocked down have a stupid hard time getting away from Giefs xup mixup game. But if they're trying to get away from stuff like this, leaving characters like Akuma and Ibuki un-nerfed in terms of their vortex game doesnt speak well for that IMO.God's Beard said:
FindMyFarms
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God's Beard said:
He had that already. If he can 50/50 at +1, why wouldn't he be able to after a knockdown where he's right next to you? The difference is in AE, that's the only thing he has.
He loses short/normal jump, empty jump low, and jump knee/splash(these 3 jump mixups are hella ambiguous to stop), meaty U1, OS to catch backdash, etc. etc. He also now can't set himself up to punish teleport escapes.
- Damn the Ibuki alt looks nice
Translation has already been posted, but fuck it, I'll post mine anyway:
GUILE
Unique Attacks
-For a number of frames, Reverse Spin Kick (when close, B/F+HK), the hittable box from the knee down has been cut, damage reduced. Can go over Ryu's cr.MK and connect, for example
-Spinning Back Knuckle (F+HP) does less damage
Specials
-Sonic Boom builds half as much meter on release, overall meter build adjusted
-LK, MK, HK Flash Kick do less damage
Ultra Combos
-Sonic Hurricane (UC2) does less damage, has a slower startup
SETH
Normals
-forward j.HP has twice as many active frames, making it easier to connect
-st..MK has slightly more active frames, has a smaller horizontal hittable box when the leg is stretched, making it easier to use as a poke
-cl.MP has a faster startup, less overall frames, giving it more hit advantage
-cr.HP, has a slightly faster startup
-cr.MK has slightly more active frames
-nj.HP, bj.HP are know the same as fj.HP (no stretch)
Unique Attacks
Tenmakujinkyaku aka Dive Kick (at top of forward jump arc, D+HK) has less hit and block stun, making it harder to press the attack afterward
Yoskyaku aka Head Stomp (mid-air D+MK) has less active frames on all three kicks of the attack, has a different timing for the full attack
Specials
-Sonic Boom has one less frame of recovery, three frames less on EX. Normal attack → (EX) Sonic Boom → FADC combos are improved
Hyakuretsukyaku (Chun Legs) does more damage, less stun
Super Combo
Tanden Storm has more invincibility, juggles
Ultra Combos
-Tanden Typhoon (UC2) has less recovery, is completely invincible to the 12th frame, but only projectile-invincible after (until the last active frame)
-Tanden Stream (UC1) does more damage, has more recovery
Other
Now has 800 health, 900 Stun (up from 750/750)
DEE JAY
Normals
-st.LP has a smaller hittable box on the arm, making it harder to stuff
-cr.MP has an improved hitbox, does more damage
-cl.MP has one more active frame (now 5), making it easier to use as a close anti-air
-st.MK does two hits; the damage distribution, startup speed, and overall frames have been changed. First hit is cancellable, so cr.LP → st.MK → Special and cl.MK → st.MK → Special combos are now possible
-The distance difference between far and close MK has been changed
-cl.HK now is a techable knockdown against air opponents, can do juggle combos after the second hit
-st.HK is one frame faster (now 11 frames), has one more active frame (now 4)
-cr.HK travels less distance, has more active frames
-fj.MK has adjusted knockback, making it easier to combo after a cross-up
Specials
-Air Slasher has less recovery, but does less hit/block stun. No changes to EX
-Any hit taken while Air Slasher is active is now counter hit
-LK Double Rolling Sobat start up is now 12 frames (two frames faster), has longer lower body invincibility. cr.LP (and other light attack) cancel now combos. The throw invincibility and mid-air time have been cut
-The first hit of MK, HK, and EX Sobat do more hit stun, so Sobat (first hit) → FADC combos are possible
-Machine Gun Upper does more damage
-LK Jackknife Maximum does more damage, is completely invincible until the end of active frames
-HK and EX Jackknife now less likely to whiff attacks on hit
Ultra Combos
-Climax Beat (UC2) has less recovery after the cinematic
Other
-SC and UC have a greater amount of buffer time for forward dash, so forward dash → UC2 is now easier to do
HAKAN
Normals
-st.HP has a smaller hittable box on the arm, making it easier to use as an anti-air or a poke
-During Oil, normals buffered after a forward dash now have sliding inertia
Unique Attacks
-Step Low (F+LK) is now cancellable, has a faster startup, now can link from cl.MP (and other attacks)
Specials
-Oil Shower now stacks, can last for up to 30 seconds
-MK, HK, EX Oil Shower have 5 less recovery frames, EX can be cancelled into guard
-Oil Shower can be be done as a follow-up to Oil Slide, with the oil time of LK Shower
-LP Oil Slide has a faster startup, can be cancelled into from cr.HP and Step Low
-Oil Dive (including EX) can be cancelled into a guard position during button hold; you can now use it as a feint and to build meter
Other
The 360 input for Oil Rocket and Oil Dive have been revised, now feels similar to Zangief's SPD.
Next week are Dhalsim, M.Bison, Akuma, Adon, and T.Hawk. That should round out the entire cast.
GUILE
Unique Attacks
-For a number of frames, Reverse Spin Kick (when close, B/F+HK), the hittable box from the knee down has been cut, damage reduced. Can go over Ryu's cr.MK and connect, for example
-Spinning Back Knuckle (F+HP) does less damage
Specials
-Sonic Boom builds half as much meter on release, overall meter build adjusted
-LK, MK, HK Flash Kick do less damage
Ultra Combos
-Sonic Hurricane (UC2) does less damage, has a slower startup
SETH
Normals
-forward j.HP has twice as many active frames, making it easier to connect
-st..MK has slightly more active frames, has a smaller horizontal hittable box when the leg is stretched, making it easier to use as a poke
-cl.MP has a faster startup, less overall frames, giving it more hit advantage
-cr.HP, has a slightly faster startup
-cr.MK has slightly more active frames
-nj.HP, bj.HP are know the same as fj.HP (no stretch)
Unique Attacks
Tenmakujinkyaku aka Dive Kick (at top of forward jump arc, D+HK) has less hit and block stun, making it harder to press the attack afterward
Yoskyaku aka Head Stomp (mid-air D+MK) has less active frames on all three kicks of the attack, has a different timing for the full attack
Specials
-Sonic Boom has one less frame of recovery, three frames less on EX. Normal attack → (EX) Sonic Boom → FADC combos are improved
Hyakuretsukyaku (Chun Legs) does more damage, less stun
Super Combo
Tanden Storm has more invincibility, juggles
Ultra Combos
-Tanden Typhoon (UC2) has less recovery, is completely invincible to the 12th frame, but only projectile-invincible after (until the last active frame)
-Tanden Stream (UC1) does more damage, has more recovery
Other
Now has 800 health, 900 Stun (up from 750/750)
DEE JAY
Normals
-st.LP has a smaller hittable box on the arm, making it harder to stuff
-cr.MP has an improved hitbox, does more damage
-cl.MP has one more active frame (now 5), making it easier to use as a close anti-air
-st.MK does two hits; the damage distribution, startup speed, and overall frames have been changed. First hit is cancellable, so cr.LP → st.MK → Special and cl.MK → st.MK → Special combos are now possible
-The distance difference between far and close MK has been changed
-cl.HK now is a techable knockdown against air opponents, can do juggle combos after the second hit
-st.HK is one frame faster (now 11 frames), has one more active frame (now 4)
-cr.HK travels less distance, has more active frames
-fj.MK has adjusted knockback, making it easier to combo after a cross-up
Specials
-Air Slasher has less recovery, but does less hit/block stun. No changes to EX
-Any hit taken while Air Slasher is active is now counter hit
-LK Double Rolling Sobat start up is now 12 frames (two frames faster), has longer lower body invincibility. cr.LP (and other light attack) cancel now combos. The throw invincibility and mid-air time have been cut
-The first hit of MK, HK, and EX Sobat do more hit stun, so Sobat (first hit) → FADC combos are possible
-Machine Gun Upper does more damage
-LK Jackknife Maximum does more damage, is completely invincible until the end of active frames
-HK and EX Jackknife now less likely to whiff attacks on hit
Ultra Combos
-Climax Beat (UC2) has less recovery after the cinematic
Other
-SC and UC have a greater amount of buffer time for forward dash, so forward dash → UC2 is now easier to do
HAKAN
Normals
-st.HP has a smaller hittable box on the arm, making it easier to use as an anti-air or a poke
-During Oil, normals buffered after a forward dash now have sliding inertia
Unique Attacks
-Step Low (F+LK) is now cancellable, has a faster startup, now can link from cl.MP (and other attacks)
Specials
-Oil Shower now stacks, can last for up to 30 seconds
-MK, HK, EX Oil Shower have 5 less recovery frames, EX can be cancelled into guard
-Oil Shower can be be done as a follow-up to Oil Slide, with the oil time of LK Shower
-LP Oil Slide has a faster startup, can be cancelled into from cr.HP and Step Low
-Oil Dive (including EX) can be cancelled into a guard position during button hold; you can now use it as a feint and to build meter
Other
The 360 input for Oil Rocket and Oil Dive have been revised, now feels similar to Zangief's SPD.
Next week are Dhalsim, M.Bison, Akuma, Adon, and T.Hawk. That should round out the entire cast.
Guess while I was sleeping, I missed the blog post and one of the NSB matches. Guess I wasn't keeping up with it, didn't know there was going to a match today.
Kindevu VS Momochi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3JgQBEwmNw
Kindevu VS Momochi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3JgQBEwmNw
Spiderjericho
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USD said:
Weird set of matches. Counterpicking like crazy.
It's strange that Kindevu is a Rufus Grand Master. Momochi is a Go grand master. But they both stop using the characters with SSFIV. Though Momochi is sticking in the same neighborhood by using Ryu and Ken.
Kindevu has a good Viper. He has a decent Cammy (just doesn't have Sako execution or Wong matchup knowledge).
sixteen-bit
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Ah, that makes a lot of sense. Now that AE is coming, I wonder which character they'll stick with.cHaotix8 said:
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In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
danm, That Oil
Cromulent_Word
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sixteen-bit
Member
Hey I got trolled online!
I was playing as Chun against a Ryu who got a life lead and then kept jumping back until he was in the corner and then roflcoptering away to safety with air tatsu until time over. Any way to punish this with Chun Li?
I was playing as Chun against a Ryu who got a life lead and then kept jumping back until he was in the corner and then roflcoptering away to safety with air tatsu until time over. Any way to punish this with Chun Li?
Cromulent_Word said:
I don't think the nerfs would of mattered much in that instance. Even with the AE changes, if Seths execution was on point (tighter link after divekick hit I assume) the result would of been the same.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Cromulent_Word said:
I didn't see anything in that video that'll be nerfed in AE except the stun from the kicks, but the combo would do more damage anyway.
lmao. Seth in his current form is just no fun to play against. It's either rape or get raped. That said, I dont think he'll play that much differently from whats seen there.Cromulent_Word said:
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
He got more buffs than nerfsCromulent_Word said:
Cromulent_Word said:
Bodied.
Cromulent_Word
Member
i was being sarcastic, but i forgot the [sarcasm] tags. my bad :lol
sixteen-bit
Member
Thanks, I assumed UC2 would help, but unfortunately I was running with UC1 to use as an anti-fireball (and I always do so against shotos), but the nj.HK sounds like good advice!Rocwell said:
Oh man I was super salty.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
I hate Fuerte players. No exceptions.
Well, I hate GAF Fuerte players a little bit less, but that's the only exception.
When I played him a little bit a few weeks back, I had to start taking anti-depressants because I started hating myself.
Well, I hate GAF Fuerte players a little bit less, but that's the only exception.
When I played him a little bit a few weeks back, I had to start taking anti-depressants because I started hating myself.
Important points from the Q&A:
Zangief
-UC2 will catch backdashes after a EX Banishing Flat hit, but UC2 does not have combo potential, so Lariat FADC UC2 is not possible
-Again, no changes to either Lariat.
Sagat
-The only damage changes are to st.LK and Tiger Uppercut
Dan
-cr.MP's recovery is three frames faster (now +5), so because of the faster startup (now 5 frames), it can link into itself (1-frame)
-st.LP has much less recovery, is now +7 on hit (formerly +3), so links into cr.MK (1-frame)
Dudley
(Nothing overly important, just that the changes to Dudley's normals vary from technique to technique)
Next week are Dhalsim, M.Bison, Akuma, Adon, and T.Hawk. That should round out the entire cast.
Zangief
-UC2 will catch backdashes after a EX Banishing Flat hit, but UC2 does not have combo potential, so Lariat FADC UC2 is not possible
-Again, no changes to either Lariat.
Sagat
-The only damage changes are to st.LK and Tiger Uppercut
Dan
-cr.MP's recovery is three frames faster (now +5), so because of the faster startup (now 5 frames), it can link into itself (1-frame)
-st.LP has much less recovery, is now +7 on hit (formerly +3), so links into cr.MK (1-frame)
Dudley
(Nothing overly important, just that the changes to Dudley's normals vary from technique to technique)
Next week are Dhalsim, M.Bison, Akuma, Adon, and T.Hawk. That should round out the entire cast.
TurtleSnatcher
Member
Dont hate.Lost Fragment said:
It is definitely a nerf but I don't think the entire cast suddenly got an easy counter for it. It's still invincible for 2-3 frames after active frames and it has that vacuum effect. We also don't know how much they shortened its recovery so it may be that he can do it outside of the vacuum's range and still not get punished for it since you can't exactly walk up or jump at him during active frames.USD said:
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