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Super Street Fighter 4 |OT2| BACK OF THE BUS, SAGAT!
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bistromathics said:
Oh, don't worry. He's one of those "fighting game master-san" elitist fucks that have to insult new players and try to make them cry and leave to make himself feel better.
It's been a while since I've played a fighting game. I wanted to make sure I was reading the screen right. Stupid me for bringing it up.
If only I was ever going to be at a good level. I have only played fighters casually. I think the only series I've ever gotten into is the Vs. series and that's mostly because it's QCF/HCF, B's and doesn't require too much thinking/strategy/counting frames in casual/friendly play. You can "be good" in the vs series and not know too much. Street's a different beast, and the only one I've played more than a few times is 2/2:Championship Edition (or whatever the Genesis one is). But yeah, I doubt I'll ever be good at the genre. It's one I enjoy playing, but will never ever be great at.
I think I should just resort to watching replays whenever the mood for Super Street 4 takes me and stick to other games for actual play. :lol
FindMyFarms
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I think people are misunderstanding how you use frame data. You don't "count frames" to react to things, you know the frames so you know what you're options are.
For example, I know with cammy that if I do a close st. mp, i'm at +2 on block, so I know that if the other player is gonna mash jab or another normal, I can beat it out with a throw since that's a 3 frame startup, meaning there will be only a 1 frame gap between the st. mp and the throw, and since no normal moves in the game are less than 3 frames, I'll win every time.
I want to stress again that you're not reacting, it's a "read" you make and apply the appropriate knowledge. Once you know that the other player likes to mash on that jab, then a throw after a close st. mp on block is free since you know it'll beat the jab, proven so by the frame data.
There's other ways you can apply that frame data (such as counterhit setups from frame advantage), that's just an example.
For example, I know with cammy that if I do a close st. mp, i'm at +2 on block, so I know that if the other player is gonna mash jab or another normal, I can beat it out with a throw since that's a 3 frame startup, meaning there will be only a 1 frame gap between the st. mp and the throw, and since no normal moves in the game are less than 3 frames, I'll win every time.
I want to stress again that you're not reacting, it's a "read" you make and apply the appropriate knowledge. Once you know that the other player likes to mash on that jab, then a throw after a close st. mp on block is free since you know it'll beat the jab, proven so by the frame data.
There's other ways you can apply that frame data (such as counterhit setups from frame advantage), that's just an example.
riceandbeans
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Rentahamster said:
Same. I'm itching for a good Hakan fight. Still undefeated against all Hakans :lol
B1gg_Randall
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Me, But I have my display setting as 16:9 instead of 4:3...the chat box only covers the character face on the player 2 side..I recommend this setting plus this makes the XMB looks better imo..Ploid 3.0 said:
you guys leave my hakan alone!
but here's a handy guide to frame data:
is it +0 or more on block? yay do it.
can it be made +0 or more via links or cancels? yay do it.
if the above is true, does it startup quickly? yes? yay do it.
if it doesn't start up quickly, does it have enough active frames to meaty into something special? yes? yay do it on opponents wakeup or a reset.
its hard to measure out punishes with frame data because distance and number of hits can be a large contributing factor.
but here's a handy guide to frame data:
is it +0 or more on block? yay do it.
can it be made +0 or more via links or cancels? yay do it.
if the above is true, does it startup quickly? yes? yay do it.
if it doesn't start up quickly, does it have enough active frames to meaty into something special? yes? yay do it on opponents wakeup or a reset.
its hard to measure out punishes with frame data because distance and number of hits can be a large contributing factor.
DarkoMaledictus
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Thanks for the games psn gaf! Panda should of brough more Hakan goodness ! Maybe next time! Good games Eraldo_Coild and Kyryogi! Fun times!
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RAGEQUIT.
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54-46! said:
Make your own lobby.
voodoopanda
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I wouldn't mind some character DLC, SSF4 needs more Rolento.
I just found how I will be playing T.Hawk from now on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IByw5HHUXxc.
Wandering Leopard
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Rufus said:
I agree, it could also just mean new challengers for the arcade version - who weren't included last time plus the recent new additions. But I'm still hopefull of maybe a few new characters, stages and some character re balancing like the rumour from a few weeks ago suggested.
dragonballjoseph
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Sabr3's Cody is really good as well. I like his more than Chris Hu's.
Dizzy-4U said:
Chris Hu's Cody is decent but honestly look up Ryan Hunter. His match videos are at option-select.com and he has a great tutorial for cody players which will provide some invaluable information for you to learn.
Sabr3's Cody is really nice, seen him in action at EVO when he perfected Buk, but he doesn't have alot of informative videos besides his concept video and a couple of matches against some local dudes. Ryan Hunter is much more accessible when it comes to actual match videos and tutorials.
Wandering Leopard
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Pepto said:
Unbelievable. Here I am trying to master one frame links like an idiot :lol
Nose Master
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Solid_Rain said:
have a friend who plays like that locally. Best part is, he gives other people advice on their playstyles :lol
sixteen-bit
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why didn't you turn on player 1's input data?Pepto said:
sixteen-bit
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Nah, they're just striking while the iron's hot. I don't expect the fighting revival to last forever, regardless of how many games in this genre have been released in this three year window.Kintaro said:
NeoGIF said:
Was just about to post this...
BotoxAgent
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Papi said:
*facepalm*
sixteen-bit
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well, you can now buy an Elena avatar on PSN for 49 cents54-46! said:JAMBO!
not that it means a damn thing
APZonerunner
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Here's an interesting question that my mates were discussing while playing Super the other night: Which new SSF4 characters (if any) do you guys think will endure and become series regulars?
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