Super Tuesday 2016 |OT| The Final Incursion is a double Incursion (Mar 5-15 contests)

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No it's not. You're establishing supporting Bernie Sanders as the litmus test to determine who is "moving left"

You're basically arguing white folk are more progressive than black folk because they support Sanders (nevermind that Sanders lost white vote in South Carolina and trails in all demographics other than 18-29).... don't do that.

Oh the poll I saw was not based on candidate support as the metric, but policy I believe.
African americans are still pretty religious and socially conservative.

In any case, apart from a few issues, Sanders is to the left of Hillary. that is pretty undeniable. Though you are fair to say that support of candidate is not perfectly correlated with views as people vote for things other than policy stances.
 
If Bernie doesn't make the nomination, I really, really want him to run for DNC chair as unlikely as that is. DWS is as much as a hack as Coakley was up here in MA state politics.

We need someone running the party with Brains that is looking to win races. Not sit by and manage defeats and interests.

Never gonna happen. He's barely a democrat. Agreed that DWS is a shill though. Don't know who I'd want to take her place though.

Hmmmmm, how about Marco Rubio?

It's a good choice, but probably too hard to reprogram him.
 
I find it genuinely hilarious to hear the Republican establishment pretend like they haven't been the party of racists for years.

Watching a bunch of con men like Paul Ryan, who employed dogwhistle tactics while proposing plans to slash vital services affecting minorities, have the nerve to call someone else out over bigotry is beyond disgusting. Complete fraud with no conscience worth talking about.
 
She's awful but worse than the GOP candidates? Receipts pls.

Well, the GOP has been a circus that is, at least, fun to watch. And knowing the last two elections on the US, there's little chance they're going to win.
But her actions go completely against one of the most important things in politics, at least for me: separate them from money. And it comes from the dems, the one of the two parties that should think of doing that.

Clinton and DWS better do a damn good job at getting out the vote during the midterms.
As it stands, I don't think the young people will be interested enough to vote.
 
Paul Ryan: "GOP does not endorse bigotry."

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Clinton and DWS better do a damn good job at getting out the vote during the midterms.

Hopefully we're looking at Clinton and someone else by the time the 2018 cycle really gets going, because even I'm gonna need a better reason to vote for Democrats if DWS is still in that chair
 
Anybody know if Texas employers give you an hour off to vote during Super Tuesday?

I know we get time during the general vote in November.
 
Then they should get them interested.

Honestly. If Obama couldn't get them out I doubt anything really will. Voter turnout is usually low during midterms.

I remember the bloodbath. Turnout wasn't even high it's just that no one really showed up. Republicans have the advantage when turnout is low.
 
Then they should start implementing some of the economic policies from the Sander's campaign. There's a reason hes doing a lot better than Clinton with young people.

The same people not even bothering to come out and vote for him. Young turnout has been crap

Until voting can be done through some phone app young turnout will be down in most elections.
 
Honestly. If Obama couldn't get them out I doubt anything really will. Voter turnout is usually low during midterms.

I remember the bloodbath. Turnout wasn't even high it's just that no one really showed up. Republicans have the advantage when turnout is low.

Everyone running away from Obama sure as shit didn't help turnout either.
 
Then they should start implementing some of the economic policies from the Sander's campaign. There's a reason hes doing a lot better than Clinton with young people.

I think it is not just policy, but style of governance.
She would have to govern differently from Obama. (Fighting for the people and pointing out BS from either Republicans and outside interests instead of trying to bring everyone to the table to their a share. )

I think she will be better than Obama for the former, on the latter, it will probably be the same.
 
Then they should start implementing some of the economic policies from the Sander's campaign. There's a reason hes doing a lot better than Clinton with young people.
Unfortunately until younger voters show they're a forced to be reckoned with when it comes to voting for... anything really... they're going to focus on the issues older generations care more about.
 
Hey everyone, remember when Howard Dean was deemed ineligible for president by the media and public when he said "whooyeaaaaah!" once at a single rally?
 
They can fuck off to Jill Stien, and stop pretending to be Democrats working for an inclusive, progressive future. I have very little patience for third party bullshit, and even less for Wolves in sheep's clothing.

Some of us aren't Dems to begin with, so we aren't pretending. A lot of us are tired of the centrist policies and near constant capitulation and gave up on them. Sanders (who let's not forget isn't a Dem either) running gave us the opportunity to push for him on a national election, so we did.
 
Drumpf has had three wives though, so that's at least 200% more hotness than Rubio's wife. You can throw his daughter in there as well.
 
bernieis45.com is going to be created tonight.

Luckily, it takes more than 15 states to secure the nomination. The south doesn't make up the full electorate of this country, and the gaps can close a lot in a month or two.

If you want to call it after March 15th, i won't stop you, but your glee is a bit early today.
 
Some of us aren't Dems to begin with, so we aren't pretending. A lot of us are tired of the centrist policies and near constant capitulation and gave up on them. Sanders (who let's not forget isn't a Dem either) running gave us the opportunity to push for him on a national election, so we did.

Isn't it rather unethical to attempt to subvert a party primary process then? This has been one of my biggest issues with Sanders. He isn't really a Democrat but since he has so little faith that the grass roots movement he's selling can actually work he decided to attempt a hijacking of the Democratic Primary process.

I mean, that strikes at the very core of his message. The "revolution" isn't strong enough to stand on it's own. The "revolution" can't support him on the national stage without being embedded into the two party system. Yet at the same time the "revolution" is going to end money in politics via a single POTUS election when the POTUS is the position least subject to financial leverage in any way.

It requires either an entirely disingenuous view on what he claims or massive amounts of delusion.
 
Isn't it rather unethical to attempt to subvert a party primary process then? This has been one of my biggest issues with Sanders. He isn't really a Democrat but since he has so little faith that the grass roots movement he's selling can actually work he decided to attempt a hijacking of the Democratic Primary process.

I mean, that strikes at the very core of his message. The "revolution" isn't strong enough to stand on it's own. The "revolution" can't support him on the national stage without being embedded into the two party system. Yet at the same time the "revolution" is going to end money in politics via a single POTUS election when the POTUS is the position least subject to financial leverage in any way.

It requires either an entirely disingenuous view on what he claims or massive amounts of delusion.


Both parties have colluded to subvert the entire process, from fundraising, message control, debates, etc., successfully enough that it's essentially impossible without working from within them. Never mind that FPTP forces the 'lesser evil' vote far too often.

Don't forget that certain states have open primaries and you can decide which one to participate in when you walk in the door. Hardly unethical, unless you aren't doing it in good faith.
 
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