Super Tuesday 2016 |OT| The Final Incursion is a double Incursion (Mar 5-15 contests)

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Its very interesting how the african american group and everyone else have been polar opposites in regards to trustworthiness and relatability when it comes to Hillary. I wonder why that is.
 
Gotchaye said:
The big question is whether Rubio helps by winning delegates Trump would otherwise have won or hurts by taking votes from someone else who then loses delegates to Trump. Rubio's recent weakness makes people think he's unlikely to win Florida, which Trump really needs to win. And if Trump wins it things look really good for him. So someone else needs to win Florida and needs Rubio's voters to do it.
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Gotcha, I think I get it now. Thanks, I appreciate the insight (from the other poster who answered as well).
 
The Democratic Party seriously needs to start panicing about their nominees. People keep saying Sanders is not electable but its clear Clinton's favorability ratings will kill her in the general.

Low turnout and polling boosting her performance VS her actual performance. Shes just not a good campaigner. Sanders is not excellent either but at least he has a message and his gaffes only highlight Clinton's weak result.
 
BanGy.nz said:
I know about Ted's primary challenge but that's it. Did Ted have a second crack at Carter during the convention?
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Ted never dropped out, after it was clear he wasn't winning in the primaries, he intended to get the delegates unbound at the convention in hopes that he could win a plurality on the first ballot and get Carter to withdraw.
 
Kathian said:
The Democratic Party seriously needs to start panicing about their nominees. People keep saying Sanders is not electable but its clear Clinton's favorability ratings will kill her in the general.

Low turnout and polling boosting her performance VS her actual performance. Shes just not a good campaigner. Sanders is not excellent either but at least he has a message and his gaffes only highlight Clinton's weak result.
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Yes, the Democratic Party is the one in chaos.
 
royalan said:
Only no. This time, the candidate himself will be feeding into that message. It IS his message,
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That may be so, but that difference isn't going to matter much in the emotional realm of the electorate. At least I don't think so. The general populist nature of his message, along with the anti-establishment trend that is rising up this year will probably buffet most "ew socialism" feelings.

When it comes down to it, I don't think there are enough voters who identify as Democrats who think "socialism" is a dealbreaker. Especially since Bernie's platform isn't even actual socialism". Most Republican voters weren't gonna vote for him anyway.

Against Cruz, Bernie wins since Cruz is too ideologically pure in the conservative vein. Against Trump, he'd have a tough time since they're both appealing to certain similar populist trains of thought, albeit from opposite sides of the political spectrum.
 
Square2015 said:
Alright thanks guys. So it was in reaction to losing so badly to Reagan?
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Yeah, the idea was to put in a safety measure to nominate someone electable after Reagan drank their milkshakes. Its effectiveness can be argued but I think it's probably a sound system, especially when it's combined with handing out state delegates proportionally.

I would imagine that the GOP wishes they had them right about now.
 
Kathian said:
The Democratic Party seriously needs to start panicing about their nominees. People keep saying Sanders is not electable but its clear Clinton's favorability ratings will kill her in the general.

Low turnout and polling boosting her performance VS her actual performance. Shes just not a good campaigner. Sanders is not excellent either but at least he has a message and his gaffes only highlight Clinton's weak result.
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Clinton's "weak" (2 point loss) performance in one state.

Lets not forget that Clinton currently leads in delegates and actual votes.
 
Kathian said:
The Democratic Party seriously needs to start panicing about their nominees. People keep saying Sanders is not electable but its clear Clinton's favorability ratings will kill her in the general.

Low turnout and polling boosting her performance VS her actual performance. Shes just not a good campaigner. Sanders is not excellent either but at least he has a message and his gaffes only highlight Clinton's weak result.
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Nah... She lost by 2% and the sky is falling now?

Trump and Cruz are pretty unelectable and the electoral map is tilted towards the Dems. We have to work for it but the primary isn't the general.
 
BlastProcessing said:
After this happened:

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It was the result of several elections, mostly 1968 and 1972 and then the results of 1980. But yeah, 1980 was the election that convinced Democrats to do something about their candidate selection.

Didn't work anyway, they still got their asses kicked for two more elections until Bill Clinton won, and you can't really say that it was all thanks to superdelegates.
 
mo60 said:
At least he won't be shoutout today. I wonder how his campaign is reacting to the beating he took today.
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Damaniel said:
And then we'll hear his victory speech. He'll win another state any day now...
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He already did something like that on Saturday:

“Tonight we will have more delegates than we did last night,” Rubio promised. “This map only gets better for us.”
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/marco-rubio-primary-calls-drop-out-220318#ixzz42NxVAlfL
 
InsaneZero said:
The biggest problem that I have with Bernie is that his entire political campaign is based upon the concept of a political revolution, but he hasn't actually done anything that tangibly affects the current fundamentals of the political system. How many people started to actually pay attention to what goes in national and regional government beyond a simple superficial level? How many people can actually started to remember the name of their representative, and how many of those people actually bothered to interact with them? Has he helped out any of the potential Senators that he'll need in Congress to even make a small portion of his promises a reality?

Even if Bernie can make people start to care about politics again, I don't see anything that demonstrates that he's doing so beyond the level of "we only care about the executive branch".



As demonstrated by our current President, there's a limit of how much you can shape the direction of the country if you:

- have a Congress that likes to send you bills that go absolutely nowhere (I'm pretty sure there's something more meaningful than vetoing a repeal of Obamacare for the hundredth time)
- can't get a court nominee through the confirmation process
- constitutionally don't have the power to actually declare war or control the actual military budget (or any kind of budget for that matter)
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You don't think his message to the general populace to rise up and vote for their future is "tangibly affect"ing the politcal system? Why are you critical of the average citizen if he/she doesn't take time out of their day to interact with their representatives? The entire basis of our political system is that people vote for representatives, such that they don't have to be involved with the details. This is not even mentioning that fact that elected representatives don't even vote the way their constituents want them to; instead, they are more beholden to wealthy donors and special interests. Gun legislation is a perfect example of this; people are largely in favor of common sense gun regulation, but no change has occurred with regard to that issue. He's inspiring and motivating those who have become demoralized by this rampant corruption.

Regarding continuing potential gridlock, ALL 435 SEATS IN THE HOUSE are up for re-election as well as 34 seats in the senate... As a caveat, I haven't determined which of the 34 senate seats currently belong to republicans, but I imagine there are plenty of those seats that could go from red to blue.

Let's take this country back my friend.
 
BlastProcessing said:
Yeah, the idea was to put in a safety measure to nominate someone electable after Reagan drank their milkshakes. Its effectiveness can be argued but I think it's probably a sound system, especially when it's combined with handing out state delegates proportionally.

I would imagine that the GOP wishes they had them right about now.
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This explanation doesn't really fly, the superdelegates would have backed Carter over Kennedy like they did Mondale over Hart/Jackson four years later...

Carter had a 25 point lead over Reagan before Anderson entered the race. And by the time Anderson faded and Reagan rose, it was after the Conventions.
 
royalan said:
Clinton's "weak" (2 point loss) performance in one state.

Lets not forget that Clinton currently leads in delegates and actual votes.
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Michigan's loss for Clinton isn't that is a serious dent in her campaign. It's why she lost that should cause her panic. Independent voters in Michigan were motivated enough to go out and vote against Hillary such that Bernie had 70% of the independent vote in the primary.
 
boiled goose said:
Mostly BS here.

Does he not talk about mass incarceration and criminal justice and policing in every single speech and debate How does Hillary show a better understanding??

Sanders wins young women by a landslide and apparently tied with Hillary with young black voters in michigan.

I know you have been following this election so this characterization seems so dishonest to me. His campaign started on income inequality, but it's like 6 months later now.

Also, no, you are not very left. That is demonstrably false. Based on your other posts you have made it clear that you are a relatively well off individual with cushy job that likes the status quo. You are pretty centrist.
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For one example her website for racial justice mentions more than needs to end the issues.

Her plan includes $20 billion to create youth jobs, particularly for African American, Native American, and Latino youth; $5 billion to create reentry programs that will help formerly incarcerated Americans get back on their feet when they return to society
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Just because he tokenly mentioned those topics doesn't add any actual substance and understanding and or tackling of the problem and we're 6 months in.

I want to hear about more than police violence and mass incarceration. I get as a black man it's bad, scary and likely but there are other things that matter too. If you're going to pivot to Wall Street and minimum wages I'm just going to point you back to the idea that I have to apply for the job and my name sounds black. That plan falls apart upon my very attempt to use it.

I think it's lame to insinuate that because of his economic connections that he is not really progressive. The hint of calling him establishment without using the word. As I understand it the Netherlands has a compulsory private insurance plans for healthcare. Are they less progressive? What does the questioning of one's progressiveness really add to your argument anyway?
 
mugurumakensei said:
Michigan's loss for Clinton isn't that is a serious dent in her campaign. It's why she lost that should cause her panic. Independent voters in Michigan were motivated enough to go out and vote against Hillary such that Bernie had 70% of the independent vote in the primary.
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Michigan's primary is fairly unique though in that anyone can vote for either party by simply picking that ballot.
 
Macho Madness said:
Yes, the Democratic Party is the one in chaos.
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Well not so much The Party but the Clinton backers of which she had the party's leadership behind her. There's going to be questions rising.

royalan said:
Clinton's "weak" (2 point loss) performance in one state.

Lets not forget that Clinton currently leads in delegates and actual votes.
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You only need to lose an election by 2 points and Sanders is now out od the South where he performs worst.

Brinbe said:
Nah... She lost by 2% and the sky is falling now?

Trump and Cruz are pretty unelectable and the electoral map is tilted towards the Dems. We have to work for it but the primary isn't the general.
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Her fabourability figures are pretty awful and only one party seems to be driving turnout.
 
Really happy for Sanders, Michigan was indeed an upset. I still think Hillary will win, but stuff like this makes the primary very, very exciting.
 
Kathian said:
Her fabourability figures are pretty awful and only one party seems to be driving turnout.
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Yes, she could def do a better job there, but Trump's #s are considerably worse. And again, the primary isn't the general.

I wanna see Rubio win like 1 delegate in HI.
 
benjipwns said:
Michigan's primary is fairly unique though in that anyone can vote for either party by simply picking that ballot.
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I was shocked how quick and easy it was. Pretty much the same as regular voting with shorter lines and a single extra form. It was great.

My candidate may have lost by a hair, but the democratic process working will force the Dems to take notice and ultimately benefit the party going forward. Given the easy process, I certainly intend to vote in future primaries. Good work Bernie. We'll see if future races are as fun.

It was also nice to see my state being a topic of discussion that wasn't about our politicians being colossal fuckups.
 
Man, Rubio was fourth in Mississippi, fourth in Michigan, third in Idaho and looks like he's going to be third in Hawaii. He's DONE. Markito, go home, it's time for you to pack up.
 
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