Absoludacrous
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Yea, it's pretty clear at this point. He seems to have no problems splintering the Dems in a Tea Party-like manner, since that's basically all that happens from a continued campaign.
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Yea, it's pretty clear at this point. He seems to have no problems splintering the Dems in a Tea Party-like manner, since that's basically all that happens from a continued campaign.
Box of Kittens
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He's not going to run as an independent.
Leona Lewis
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Hill needs to update her campaign playlist
Rachel Flatone is so last year
Rachel Flatone is so last year
Macho Madness
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She always uses Fight Song
He's 74, this is his last rodeo.
Honestly, I don't believe for a minute that he's hurting Clinton, and he won't run third party. I think he's a done a lot of good, let him ride it out. If you're tired of hearing him, turn off the TV, or mute it.
plagiarize
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Clinton will increase female turn out, and win women and minorities handily. There's pretty much no way Trump can beat her.
Are Sanders and Trump going to fight over white male voters and just ignore everyone else? Those days are over.
You'd need a sizable chunk of the Union vote.
I repeat, ain't gonna happen.
It's moot anyway, since if Trump is the nominee he's going to be third partied by the GOP establishment in an attempt to save Senate seats.
That's just going to piss most democrats off, if he runs 3rd party. It might also result in a president Trump, which would be disastrous for large swaths of the nation.
CNN: *shot of empty podium*
Let's hope this occurs!
My aunt lives in middle America, I am not going to say the state as it will undermine her position. I am sharing what my aunt talked with my Father about... Also she has met President Obama and was part of his team.
Away to a New Zealand cliff??
excelsiorlef
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Yeah the message being President Trump
GoldenEye 007
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If he runs independent, it creates a good chance for the presidential decision to go to the US House. Meaning likely President Cruz or Trump. He'd go down as one of the most hated men in America.
plagiarize
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Or just wait until the news cuts away to something that could still be a factor in this race. They don't have to give him TV time to play his stump speech greatest hits any more than they need to give Rubio air time to talk about his feelings on tonight's results.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I'd openly campaign against Sanders if he did that. Fuck some revolution, there is zero chance he would win as an independent but that might make Trump viable. That I can not abide.
Speedy Blue Dude
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Yeah, most likely not, but I'd just respect the man more so if he does. He's what, 74 now? He's done anyways. I doubt he'll be taking his political career any further at this point. He's put in his time, and his whole message is his "political revolution" and banding together to make changes happen. Running independent would push that message further.
Doubt he'd do it though, he wouldn't want to help the Republicans win office, nor do I believe he'd receive the donations requires to keep campaigning.
Tesseract
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Bernie's bank account just got 10 more dollars
Let's hope this occurs!
My aunt lives in middle America, I am not going to say the state as it will undermine her position. I am sharing what my aunt talked with my Father about... Also she has met President Obama and was part of his team.
Honestly, winning white men isn't enough to win the general election anymore. I think there's cause to take Trump seriously, but not to have the sort of fear she seems to have.
No it wouldn't, it could potentially hand the election to Trump and he would not only become the most hated man in American history but would set his goals back decades.
excelsiorlef
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It wouldn't do shit. He'd just split the vote and set his "revolution" back 30 years
Respect him? I'd lose any respect I had for him, so would most of his voters I'd hope 0_o
User 463088
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Running independent would set back his agenda for a generation. It would, literally, be the stupidest thing he could do for all of his ideas.
I'm sure that your respect will keep him warm at night as President Trump is nuking cities full of brown people.
They gave him like 5 minutes this week, last week they didn't give him any air time, or I must have missed it if they did. Dude went on for almost an hour and I don't recall seeing a single minute of it last week.
Ogrekiller
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Devine just earned another dollar.
Absoludacrous
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It would undercut his entire message though. Instead of walking away as the man who brought a new conversation to the Democratic party, he'll be remembered as the man who tried to ruin it by giving Trump an advantage.
None of the progress he's made during this primary season will matter at that point.
boiled goose
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Man this Bernie speech.
The President we don't deserve.
Folks talk about the need for progressive justices. Yet Obama is nominating someone for citizens united and against habeas corpus.
People want another neoliberal...
Shit depresses me.
Sanders will definitely not run third party, but he should go all the way to the convention. His campaign has brought to light lots of issues to the national for front.
He is not only fighting for the nomination, but for the heart and soul of the party and the country.
The President we don't deserve.
Folks talk about the need for progressive justices. Yet Obama is nominating someone for citizens united and against habeas corpus.
People want another neoliberal...
Shit depresses me.
Sanders will definitely not run third party, but he should go all the way to the convention. His campaign has brought to light lots of issues to the national for front.
He is not only fighting for the nomination, but for the heart and soul of the party and the country.
His message is not split the Democratic vote so Trump is elected president.
plagiarize
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I don't really fear Bernie running third party. The biggest problem there would just be the lack of leveraging what support he has towards Clinton, but I don't think she needs it. He's not getting the youth out to vote in any record numbers and he'd probably pull as many if not more white male voters away from Trump as he would Clinton.
A lot of his vote is the anti Clinton vote already.
A lot of his vote is the anti Clinton vote already.
gutter_trash
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he is turning 75 in September
Macho Madness
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Hmmmm
superdeluxe
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I believe Clinton is speaking from a high school in. Predominantly AA area of Seattle called Rainier Beach.
I just asked my Father as to what more my aunt shared and how Trump or Republicans will try to win this election in November.
Specifically, my aunt fears is the new voter id laws that will hurt the Democrats this election season.
This is more or less what Ralph Nader did. Do you remember his message? Or, I mean, literally anything he did before he ran for president in 2000?
Macho Madness
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Crowd is loving her. Smart choice.
He could've run as an independent from the start, but he knew he wouldn't get the airtime (or the votes as Hillary alternative). If he switches to an independent run later, he's a political opportunist who used the Democratic Party for his own gain, which contravenes his message.
You Are Viewtiful
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That means Elizabeth Warren should still be able to run in 2024 lol.
superdeluxe
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Clinton touching on terrorism, foreign policy.
GoldenEye 007
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Got seatbelts mandated in the 1960s!
Leona Lewis
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Ha, she just put on her best Michelle Obama impression
"I'm not gon' even pay 'tention to 'dat!"
"I'm not gon' even pay 'tention to 'dat!"
You realize why Obama nominated who he did, right? Like, he's put anti-citizens united judges on the bench already. He damn well knows this nomination isn't going through.
This is all kinds of silly.
That's a valid fear, but I don't think it's been implemented in enough places for it to swing the whole thing. If Hillary's base win is Obama's map, which is possible considering she's reassembled the Obama coalition, then that means every single swing state would need to swing to Trump for her to lose.
I'm not too afraid just yet. We should absolutely take nothing for granted, but I do think this was all decided the second Trump started winning.
Tesseract
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Operations
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Is a hypothetical win from Cruz in Utah relevant? Can Trump really be stopped at this point through last minute convention rule modifications or would that effectively kill the party?
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