Superman (2025) | Review Thread

What Gunn did best of all was give us a world that felt lived-in.

  • This wasn't the first clash between Lex and Superman but the first time they met in person.
  • Superman is aware of other metahumans.
  • The Justice Gang.

The little touches made the movie for me. Still he's been raving about not needing to see the "pearls hit the ground" or the "radio-active spider bite" for superhero movies, and I agree, but I don't think he subverted the established narrative devices used in prior Superman movies despite what he intended and claims.
 
The big hurdle is gonna be any of the non-Superman and non-Batman stuff. Supergirl is traditionally a dud and no one cares.

And Clayface? which is supposed to be a movie? If that ain't a fantastic movie, the DCU might be over before it begins. These monster budget movies needs to be massively successful.
 
Supergirl is traditionally a dud and no one cares.

Her show lasted six seasons, and the comic they're adapting Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow was widely acclaimed. The film was actually even supposed to come out much later, but James Gunn says they don't intend to start filming a project until the script is finalized, and he said they were surprised at how quickly a solid Supergirl script was completed.

"No one cared" (if we're generalizing) about the Guardians of the Galaxy pre-2014, so that excuse will always come off as weak to me.
 
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Just came back from seeing it with my wife. We both loved it, and it got an applause from the audience. It definitely started off messy in the first 30 minutes, but once it found it's footing I ended up having a blast with it. It's not perfect by any means, but I think it nailed what it needed to nail.
 
One thing I am left confused,
did Jor-El really meant about the harem bit or because of video manipulation done by that Lex's nano tech goon.
 
The big hurdle is gonna be any of the non-Superman and non-Batman stuff. Supergirl is traditionally a dud and no one cares.

And Clayface? which is supposed to be a movie? If that ain't a fantastic movie, the DCU might be over before it begins. These monster budget movies needs to be massively successful.
Big hurdle?
Super Girl got the biggest pop in our theater a hour ago
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James Gunn's tone just doesn't fit here and I would put this as his worst film and the worst Superman film. Superman is a whiny crybaby for the entire runtime, every character is annoying and lame and has the emotional maturity of a five year old, typical Gunn emotional blackmail with kids and animals, on the nose unwelcome political commentary, CG slop overload, no real tension or climax to speak of.

0/10
 
James Gunn's tone just doesn't fit here and I would put this as his worst film and the worst Superman film. Superman is a whiny crybaby for the entire runtime, every character is annoying and lame and has the emotional maturity of a five year old, typical Gunn emotional blackmail with kids and animals, on the nose unwelcome political commentary, CG slop overload, no real tension or climax to speak of.

0/10
..."but tell us what you really think".
 
James Gunn's tone just doesn't fit here and I would put this as his worst film and the worst Superman film. Superman is a whiny crybaby for the entire runtime, every character is annoying and lame and has the emotional maturity of a five year old, typical Gunn emotional blackmail with kids and animals, on the nose unwelcome political commentary, CG slop overload, no real tension or climax to speak of.

0/10
I had a feeling it was going to be all this. Thanks. I'll skip it.
 
One thing I am left confused,
did Jor-El really meant about the harem bit or because of video manipulation done by that Lex's nano tech goon.

One bit I really didn't like. Should've had a proper resolution. I hope they resolve that.
 
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So you would be more okay with starting with Superman with a different directory? If so, any preferences?

Me, I'm okay with him doing a solo film. I mean, you could take all of Rocket's backstory scenes from Guardians 3 and remove everything else and the film would still hit me in the feels like a sack of bricks. So I have optimism as I see this film tomorrow night.

Plus, if Gunn was doing to do a Justice movie like you said, then I would have made it the actual Justice League International, whose most iconic run in the late 80's to early 00's was very wacky and comedic. Have Guy Gardener, Hawkgirl, Maxwell Lord, and maybe Mr. Terrific (he's more well known for his time in the Justice Society of America run by Geoff Johns, James Robinson, and a few others, but he could be reworked into the JLI).

Then add Booster Gold (who is getting his own TV series eventually), Ted Kord/Blue Beetle (they're supposed to introduce Jaime Reyes in this verse with an animated series eventually, but they could still keep Ted alive and active by having him still make new tech by visiting Jaime and working with him on the Beetle scarab), and Fire and Ice. I'd think that group would be a fun dynamic and Gunn could nail it.

I was worried if they did add Ice, well, her and Guy Gardener being a couple is a major aspect of their characters (she's like the one person he'll generally treat with kindness, though he occasionally lets his more immature side show with her), and with Nathan Fillion playing Guy, I was like, "man, they're going to have make Ice much older, that'll be weird". But actually I checked and Fillion is 54, they could have Ice played by someone in their mid to late 30's and it would be fine.

Still weirded out that Hal Jordan in the Lanterns show will be played by Kyle Chandler who is 59. I think people are convinced they're definitely going to kill him off like the 90's storyline, but I hope not, too many big Green Lantern stories have Hal as a major player, and you have his friendships with Oliver Queen/Green Arrow and Barry/Allen/Flash (unless they just start with Wally West), his long feud with Sinestro who is the iconic Green Lantern villain, and his relationship with Carol Ferris.

If they do kill off Hal, I could hope the Rebirth storyline then gets adapted later and he is revived in a somewhat younger body played by an actor who could pass for a younger-looking Kyle Chandler.

Plus, when Hal was dead, he became a new incarnation of The Spectre, a divine entity who passes judgment on corrupt humans and other beings, though Hal tries to change this mission from judgment to offering possible redemption. A well done Spectre film could rock, with some level of horror elements.

Anyway, sorry for the Green Lantern tangent there.
Different directory? I guess I would focus most on him being super and go a bit crazy with it in the visuals something to the hero in megamind when he has a midlife crisis. Other than that I really don't have much for stories off the top of my head. I was focused more on the wow factor.

I think since Gunn is going for a softer, kinder, and more relatable superman then he should have had a sidekick to play the person who has the more realistic reaction to situations to superman's hopefulness. Really play up the fact that superman is looking for the good in people and trying to help folks out. Being a symbol of goodness and hope and turning folks who were originally bad to his side. You can see some of this in the movie but he should have went harder. I don't know how you would make the enemy though in this film.

For the justice crew movie I was simply throwing out an idea on how they could have introduced superman. Considering it's Gunn I wouldn't be surprised if he kills all of the current justice crew in order for superman to build the justice league.

I'm still surprised they had Nathan Fillion in the movie considering his age and why have Kyle Chandler be Hal Jordan. This just seems weird. They probably will kill him off.

I was wondering if the Blue Beetle was still a thing in this universe.
 
I'm still surprised they had Nathan Fillion in the movie considering his age and why have Kyle Chandler be Hal Jordan. This just seems weird. They probably will kill him off.
The other Green Lanters are basically cameos so they can put all focus on Aaron Pierre's take on John Stewart.
 
James Gunn's tone just doesn't fit here and I would put this as his worst film and the worst Superman film. Superman is a whiny crybaby for the entire runtime, every character is annoying and lame and has the emotional maturity of a five year old, typical Gunn emotional blackmail with kids and animals, on the nose unwelcome political commentary, CG slop overload, no real tension or climax to speak of.

0/10
Saw the trailer for Superman before seeing F1 in theater with a friend the other day. (F1 is absolutely brilliant,and everyone should see it)

The Supes trailer was laughable,Kaiju battles that look like saturday morning cartoons with cgi that looked bad even on the big screen,some of the cringiest dumbest fighting camera angles I've ever seen for a superhero movie,and the tone was like Guardians of the Galaxy not Superman,they went so far off from the serious Snyder version of Man of Steel that it now looks like there's no stakes and everything is a joke with action toys fighting in a cg world.

If there would be a word to describe that trailer and it's vibe was that it felt weightless.

Granted I haven't seen the movie so maybe things are different but judging by some of the reactions it's not far from the truth. The theater was full but there was no reaction to it,not even the jokes landed. Strictly from a trailer perspective,it didn't make me wanna watch it.
 
Saw it yesterday and really enjoyed it.
Overall a 7.5/10

Positives:
- Suit and Score absolutely fantastic amazing how we all moaned about the baggy look but it makes alot of sense and makes the MOS suit look bizarre.
- Acting was great everyone pulling in good performances.
- Uder powered superman makes alot of sense hes only 3 years in and the character needs somewhere to grow. So hes not flash fast, insanely over strong, impervious etc. I liked that.
- Lois and Clark, best on screen versions we've seen. Amazing chemistry
- World building and introduction of Kara

Negative:

- A bit on the nose with some policL commentary , didnt care for the pseudo Russian/Ukraine plot which i found very silly especially towards the climax.
- Lexcorp and how it operates very Doctor Evil not too far from the same tone.
- Superman defeated all the time unless Krypto saves the day.
- Daily Planet crew tagging along in the finale and Mr terrific has too much insane tech the UFO just nah.

After a few hours its actually grown on me alot and ill definitely go see it again.

Its absolutely the best superman movie we have had since the donner version and there is so much potential in this version of the character.

James Gunn has crafted an excellent start to things. You cant go all in like MOS and have this depressing dark tone.

Im really excited for things like this universe version of Zodd or Darkseid.
 
Saw the trailer for Superman before seeing F1 in theater with a friend the other day. (F1 is absolutely brilliant,and everyone should see it)

The Supes trailer was laughable,Kaiju battles that look like saturday morning cartoons with cgi that looked bad even on the big screen,some of the cringiest dumbest fighting camera angles I've ever seen for a superhero movie,and the tone was like Guardians of the Galaxy not Superman,they went so far off from the serious Snyder version of Man of Steel that it now looks like there's no stakes and everything is a joke with action toys fighting in a cg world.

If there would be a word to describe that trailer and it's vibe was that it felt weightless.

Granted I haven't seen the movie so maybe things are different but judging by some of the reactions it's not far from the truth. The theater was full but there was no reaction to it,not even the jokes landed. Strictly from a trailer perspective,it didn't make me wanna watch it.
It really depends if you want a really grounded version of the character or if you are open to and willing to be entertained.

This isnt high art , its a major summer block buster superman movie. Its kind of obvious who its designed to appeal to. Which is mostly everyone kids- parents - grand parents.
 
The monkeys writing angry tweets was a jump the shark moment for me, like I guess it was supposed to be funny, but just came across as really stupid.

I think its a way James Gunn trying to portrays Internet trolls. He was a victim of Twitter cancel culture and sort of a way to poke fun at his haters.

To me, I just wonder why monkey when Lex could just use AI bots.
 
It really depends if you want a really grounded version of the character or if you are open to and willing to be entertained.

This isnt high art , its a major summer block buster superman movie. Its kind of obvious who its designed to appeal to. Which is mostly everyone kids- parents - grand parents.
That's a shitty excuse that has been used for badly directed movies countless times.

A Great director finds the right balance between serious and lighthearted to entertain the audience without dumbing them down along with the movie they are watching. A shitty one will just tell the audience to turn off their brains and not think much. (And not saying Gunn is a shitty director,he has alot of talent and I've loved alot of his movies but the tone here seems completely fumbled for this movie)

Point is,for the rebirth of the DCU and all the hype behind it, having to "turn your brain off to enjoy it" doesn't seem like an interesting proposition.
 
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That's a shitty excuse that has been used for badly directed movies countless times.

A Great director finds the right balance between serious and lighthearted to entertain the audience without dumbing them down along with the movie they are watching. A shitty one will just tell the audience to turn off their brains and not think much. (And not saying Gunn is a shitty director,he has alot of talent and I've loved alot of his movies but the tone here seems completely fumbled for this movie)

Point is,for the rebirth of the DCU and all the hype behind it, having to "turn your brain off to enjoy it" doesn't seem like an interesting proposition.
I dont think you understand my point.
There are great character moments, it explains alot of what's going on and its very much a movie with heart. I wouldn't say you need to turn your brain off, its more its light hearted entertainment with some deeper moments sprinkled throughout.

Its not like jurassic world rebirth which has huge plot holes and is largely big dumb dinosaur movie.

Its more Saturday entertainment for a broad audience its not dumb, it can be silly but its not just silly for silly sake its sort of a optimistic and bright tone.

My point is , if your looking for a serious high stakes dramatic version of Superman there's man of steel, whilst the stakes are high and there is alot of jeaproady it is a very different take on the character. Put it this way. Superman is very green and the boy scout type character.

There are some surprisingly dark moments but ultimately the movie is a mass appeal superhero movie.
 
Does anyone else think that the President of Boravia was played by Ken Dodd?

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Just watched it few hours ago, I liked it, I'd personally give it a 3.5/5. The overall tone of the movie reminds me a lot of the animated series. I have an issue with Superman's personality, not used to a Superman who isn't sure of himself, or at least he comes off that way. And this Superman is supposed have some experience being Superman but comes off as amateurish.
it's very odd to see Superman getting so hung up over the recording of his parents. Off all the things that he's chosen to define him, its a less-than -5mins recording of his not present parents, and he's supposed to have at least 3 years of experience as a superhero, and way longer as a resident of Earth. It's seems out of place, and petty honestly.
I liked Lois way more than I thought I would, Lex Luthor I thought was fine. Its a fun movie, nice action sequences with some heart.
 
I think Man of Steel would've been the GOAT if it had this film's heart, and you swapped out Cavill Superman with Corenswet. I'm not talking necessarily about the actors, I mean the Gunn version of Superman would've elevated Man of Steel a lot more.
 
The only criticism I can give it without spoiling much is that the makeout scenes are really fucking awkward. I don't like it.

Nicholas Hoult as Lex Luthor was really good.
 
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I think it's supposed to be a "infinite monkeys on infinite typewriters" joke. A good ole "rim shot" moment.
Yep. But people are just ready to be angry for no reason. It's a hilarious joke, and super comic booky with lex's pocket universe and infinite monkeys. The movie felt like All-star Superman at times.

Great film. I went in with low expectations, and loved it. The haters are morons. Cast are all fantastic. Guy Gardner and Mister Terrific ruled. Really funny at times, but in no way tonal whiplash. The most comic book comic book film since Raimi's Spider-man 2.
 
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That's a shitty excuse that has been used for badly directed movies countless times.

A Great director finds the right balance between serious and lighthearted to entertain the audience without dumbing them down along with the movie they are watching. A shitty one will just tell the audience to turn off their brains and not think much. (And not saying Gunn is a shitty director,he has alot of talent and I've loved alot of his movies but the tone here seems completely fumbled for this movie)

Point is,for the rebirth of the DCU and all the hype behind it, having to "turn your brain off to enjoy it" doesn't seem like an interesting proposition.
Bro. You haven't seen the movie lol. You don't have to turn your brain off in it, I don't know where you're getting that from.

It has dark moments. Someone gets murdered in cold blood in front of superman. It's just not Snyder broody.
 
I think it's supposed to be a "infinite monkeys on infinite typewriters" joke. A good ole "rim shot" moment.

If I would guess, this is about those elections moments about 'everything I saw on social media is true', 'hire a bunch of dumb people to spread fake news over internet' and 'people are dumb enough to believe in everything on internet'.
I can't see other way around.

This movie have a loads of inconsistencies, IDK if making Clark parents evil was a good ideia at all.

James Gunn's tone just doesn't fit here and I would put this as his worst film and the worst Superman film. Superman is a whiny crybaby for the entire runtime, every character is annoying and lame and has the emotional maturity of a five year old, typical Gunn emotional blackmail with kids and animals, on the nose unwelcome political commentary, CG slop overload, no real tension or climax to speak of.

0/10

I don't understand why Hawkgirl keep screaming the whole movie. Is this a thing?
 
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Different directory? I guess I would focus most on him being super and go a bit crazy with it in the visuals something to the hero in megamind when he has a midlife crisis. Other than that I really don't have much for stories off the top of my head. I was focused more on the wow factor.

I think since Gunn is going for a softer, kinder, and more relatable superman then he should have had a sidekick to play the person who has the more realistic reaction to situations to superman's hopefulness. Really play up the fact that superman is looking for the good in people and trying to help folks out. Being a symbol of goodness and hope and turning folks who were originally bad to his side. You can see some of this in the movie but he should have went harder. I don't know how you would make the enemy though in this film.

For the justice crew movie I was simply throwing out an idea on how they could have introduced superman. Considering it's Gunn I wouldn't be surprised if he kills all of the current justice crew in order for superman to build the justice league.

I'm still surprised they had Nathan Fillion in the movie considering his age and why have Kyle Chandler be Hal Jordan. This just seems weird. They probably will kill him off.

I was wondering if the Blue Beetle was still a thing in this universe.

-sorry, I meant to type "different director". That's my bad.

-sounds like you want how they'll probably handle Supergirl. In the Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow comic mini-series (which her film will be a direct adaptation of), she's definitely not fully cynical, and does adhere to the "no killing" rule, but she does have a tad less idealistic view of the world compared to Superman, but she can show compassion and kindness and is shown helping people in need. So she could provide the foil you were looking for in a superhero adjacent to Superman

-nah, he only went nuts on The Suicide Squad because, well, that's their concept (the first movie barely killed off anyone). I think there's plenty to do with Guy so he's probably safe, and I highly doubt he'd off Mr. Terrific and Hawkgirl. I assume Metamorpho has less screentime so he'd probably be safe for now as well

-yeah, but like I said, they could find a way to revive Hal with a new actor, or go the Spectre route which would be cool

-yeah, originally James Gunn said they'd keep the Blue Beetle film as canon (as it was mostly isolated from the DCEU), but he changed his mind so it's non-canon now. But they are planning a Blue Beetle animated series and Jaime's actor will reprise his role as the voice, hopefully that means they'll more closely adapt the 2000's Jaime Reyes run which is amazing (while the movie was just okay and did its own thing which was kind of just average to me) and since that run actually has both Guy Gardener and Peacemaker play a decent-sized role they could have Nathan Fillion and John Cena reprise their roles (as Gunn says he wants to keep the same actor for both live-action and the voice for animated when it comes to any character appearing in both formats).

Booster Gold is getting his own show, and Ted Kord (the Blue Beetle before Jaime) is Booster's best friend, so Ted will likely appear as well
 
Saw it yesterday and really enjoyed it.
Overall a 7.5/10

Positives:
- Suit and Score absolutely fantastic amazing how we all moaned about the baggy look but it makes alot of sense and makes the MOS suit look bizarre.
- Acting was great everyone pulling in good performances.
- Uder powered superman makes alot of sense hes only 3 years in and the character needs somewhere to grow. So hes not flash fast, insanely over strong, impervious etc. I liked that.
- Lois and Clark, best on screen versions we've seen. Amazing chemistry
- World building and introduction of Kara

Negative:

- A bit on the nose with some policL commentary , didnt care for the pseudo Russian/Ukraine plot which i found very silly especially towards the climax.
- Lexcorp and how it operates very Doctor Evil not too far from the same tone.
- Superman defeated all the time unless Krypto saves the day.
- Daily Planet crew tagging along in the finale and Mr terrific has too much insane tech the UFO just nah.

After a few hours its actually grown on me alot and ill definitely go see it again.

Its absolutely the best superman movie we have had since the donner version and there is so much potential in this version of the character.

James Gunn has crafted an excellent start to things. You cant go all in like MOS and have this depressing dark tone.

Im really excited for things like this universe version of Zodd or Darkseid.

I think he probably skip Zodd, been done too many times. Especially with what they did to Superman's birth parents. They're pretty much Zodd mind. Dumb imo, I guess the twist he's doing is that Zodd is the good one now.
 
Wasn't amazing but I thoroughly enjoyed it! I'm glad we finally have a live action movie for the first time since the 70s that understands Clark. He's a boy scout to a fault, but more often than not it works to his strength. He is Mr. Goody Two Shoes.

Would love to see more of those Justice League C-tier members in the future. Recognized Mr. Fantastic and Metamorpho from the 00s JLU cartoon. Hawkgirl was a founding member (Isabela is so fine :messenger_smiling_hearts:) and it looks like they'll have it that way in the Gunnverse too.
 
It seems to be common occurrence in multiple peoples showings. Sounds like a trend to me.

But sure keep doomin
Nobody is doomin, quit being sensitive about this. CBM in general have been trending downward big time overseas. People cheering to see Supergirl doesn't translate to a smash hit worldwide, the same way Superman's incredible trailer views didn't translate to a huge opening weekend. You can't gauge how well a film is gonna do, a year in advance, by reactions in the theater.
 
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