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Supporters, protesters clash at Berkeley Trump rally
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Miles Quaritch
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The fuck are you talking about?
Chmpocalypse
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Clinton was the hawk? Good lawd, what's in the water where you are? I don't recall her being the one advocating the use of nukes, or saying we should steal Iraq's oil. Get outta here with that bullshit.
UncleSporky
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I don't visit those sites so I'll just have to take your word for it, but I find it highly unlikely that Richard Spencer getting punched somehow had zero impact on the amount of violence happening afterward.
And this is not to say that all violence is wrong or ineffectual in every case, nor that Richard Spencer didn't deserve to get punched, nor that it wasn't awesome. This is strictly about whether that punch could potentially have hurt more than it helped, which still seems a distinct possibility. Time will tell if there are future events with people holding big signs that say "For Richard" or something.
Lord Frieza
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Didn't take long for someone invoke white people's favorite pokemon.
This shit would be funny if it wasn't so goddamn depressing
UncleSporky
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As I said, I have to take Amirox at his word if he says Milo is more influential at inciting violence than Richard, but I still doubt his own encounter had nothing to do with it.
UncleSporky said:
I don't visit those sites frequently, but I hear rumblings on the twitterverse and then investigate myself instead of taking someone's word for it (because a lot of shit posted on twitter is not well sourced). Then lo' and behold, tons of these monsters advocating false flags, dressing up as Antifa, saying take it to the liberals for shutting down Milo's speech. And you can see those tweets for examples of what you'd see, because I'm not linking to the threads themselves.
Anyway, these are neo Nazi's. They don't really need excuses for violence. I am sure if you asked them they'd play the victim and say they were just protecting themselves because of shit like Spencer, but as the motivation proper I don't think it played a major role. But there's really no way to tell beyond reading their mind.
Trump literally said we should commit war crimes and kill women and children.
Don't forget purposely targeting women and children to stop terrorism. Because nothing takes out a radicalized enemy like when you (and I quote) "take out their families."
adamsappel
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I agree with MLK.
Why doesn't anyone who use these memes understand that for it to apply today it would require the police to turn their attack dogs and truncheons and fire hoses on the alt-right marchers, who themselves would have to be completely non-violent?
Mammoth Jones
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Not shocked. These motherfuckers been itching to come out the woodwork. Shit keeps going in this direction it's only a matter of time before they get so emboldened to try some Tulsa shit again. Fuck that.
No one likes us. But I guess some think they're hedging their bets by being a bigots "good one".
No one likes us. But I guess some think they're hedging their bets by being a bigots "good one".
Mammoth Jones
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Get the fuck out of here with taht bullshit
Don't cherry pick the man
Fucking thank you. Hate when I read the "But MLK!" posts. When half the motherfuckers who summon his name would hate his fucking guts if he were alive today talking about social justice.
LookAtMeGo
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Every time I see MLK brought up in threads like this I'm reminded of this article I read.
https://theestablishment.co/the-exploitation-of-martin-luther-kings-legacy-by-white-supremacy-1b3e95c1d213
https://theestablishment.co/the-exploitation-of-martin-luther-kings-legacy-by-white-supremacy-1b3e95c1d213
Vicetrailia
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They think they're white. Enemy of my enemy is whom, up until you get to the last enemy.
Captin Quacker
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Mr. Giggles
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country is getting more and more divided by the day
The country has been divided since before its founding.
I'm sure Dr. King would be proud to see his words being used to protect those who yearn for oppression, genocide and white supremacy.I agree with MLK.
SynthFetish
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My grandpa helped take care of a nazi problem in WW2. As a country, its shocking how we went from fighting fascists to electing them.
Mr. Giggles
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True.
it's just more out in the open now, not sure if that's a good thing because it seems to be driving the wedge further
Sometimes the symptoms have to flare up before you go to the doctor. Cancer lurks in the body until you notice something, then you pull out the tumor.
Michael F. Assbender
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Kinda off-topic because it's more about MLK than the protest:
MLK is sainted today as a peacemongsr. In his own day, he was vilified as a man who invites violence.
It's odd to see how one man can be used by so many people to represent so many things.
MLK is sainted today as a peacemongsr. In his own day, he was vilified as a man who invites violence.
It's odd to see how one man can be used by so many people to represent so many things.
LegendofJoe
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Agreed, violence is best applied in a strategic manner. And context matters, so yes violence is counterproductive in many situations.
I like this one better.
Yeah, cause that's excatly what Im trying to do. Protect them...
The sides with all the power, influences and wealth are staunch believers of their own superiority. In my opinion, the more everyone else realizes this, the better it is for the world.
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Better education is so fucking needed.
adamsappel
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My mother-in-law told me how happy she was when MLK was killed, because he was causing all that violence down south. Then she told me she missed her days in the John Birch Society. Mind, I had never heard this woman say an unkind thing in her life, but Obama's election really brought out the hidden racists.
KoopaTheCasual
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I hope you're thoroughly embarrassed by making this comically stupid post.I agree with MLK.
And of course the first post in the comments is a guy quoting MLK.
I'd honestly it rather be out in the open to expose America for the facade it has been in regards to race relations and unity.
LegendofJoe
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The real enemy, until the country unites in opposition to them things will continue to get worse. Racial resentment and hatred is the best tool they have to wield against us. If we can ever break free of it there will be hell to pay.
You can't incite violence, which basically means directly saying you're going to advocate for the harm or death of individuals or groups (hence why people like Richard Spencer say they're just trying to "advocate for white racial causes") You also can't make work place environments hostile, which might include discussing your hate while on the clock to the detriment of other employees' safety.
Otherwise, you're free to parade your hate wherever you go. Cuz Freedom.
Oh damn, you know you fucked up when Captain America want to have a little face time with you... Using his fist.
Government can't do a thing about speech, aside from trying to make sure it does not incite immediate violence.
I agree the government shouldn't do anything about this, just because i wouldn't trust the government with that power to suppress hate speech, but it should be up to the people to turn out and shout down the hate, show them that they are alone, that they are losers, that the civilized world is against them.
Nope, using words to incite harm on specific individuals, slander, libel, fire in a movie theater, death threats are a crime. Calling someone a nigger is protected free speech. Hell, famously enough the ACLU has used jewish attorneys to defend the constitutional right of neo-nazis quite a few times.
Hey free speech absolutists, maybe it would be a good idea to sometimes invoke the "free speech" defense for speech that isn't blatantly discriminatory or explicitly self-defined Nazi ideology. Might help the cause a bit.
(Ignoring the fact that defending the internal logic of speech by defending the right to say it underscores either just how recognizably reprehensible said speech is - so why not put it into words, if you're that fired up about this topic)
(Ignoring the fact that defending the internal logic of speech by defending the right to say it underscores either just how recognizably reprehensible said speech is - so why not put it into words, if you're that fired up about this topic)
No, this would require a constitutional amendment. The First Amendment is extremely restrictive in terms of what kinds of speech can actually be outlawed, especially regarding political speech. It is in theory possible to outlaw certain ways of expressing ideas, but you can't outlaw all expressions of an idea, regardless of how offensive the idea is. You could probably ban getting right up in a black person's face and yelling racial slurs at them. You could not ban having a rally where you talk about how Hitler was right.
Mr. Giggles
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It's why I'm always team caps
Nope.
I know your heart is in the right place but it just really feels like you should be less concerned with appearances and turning the other cheek and more with a problem that is quickly becoming out of control and gaining in power.
There is no talks to be had with the alt right at this point, they want to destroy everything people have fought to gain in this country and they plan to do it by hiding behind tolerance of intolerance.
Nobody here has jumped to "lets go beat the shit out of people that disagree with us" on day one. Its looking at the history of this country and how minorities have been used and abused and how people are tired of letting history repeat itself. More protests and more anger is fine by me, its sorely needed.
Its just getting worse and worse. I don't blame anyone for fighting back against these people.
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It does, but in the 60s the Supreme Court ruled that there must be an "imminent lawless action", otherwise it's protected. Basically "We should kill all the Jews" is okay because it's not suggesting an immediate threat but "Let's kill that Jew" is not because it's inciting people to take action at that particular time.
It's known as the Brandenburg test (named for the case) if you want to know more.
SenorArdilla
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Perhaps if you send that image macro Richard Spencer's way he'll finally see that black people are humans too and publicly renege his call for a, and I quote, "peaceful ethnic cleansing", apologizing for his words and deeds?
Yeah, probably not.
But you clearly care a lot about issues connected to speech, so you've been appointed by the council to be liaison to the white nationalists, with the job of attempting to teach them that people of color are human beings too. Someone has to do it, and it should probably be the people who think it's really important we listen to white nationalists, right?
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