Supposed "Dead Alien" found in Russia (Video)

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Kinitari said:
We aren't saying anything for certain, but take a second to objectively think about it.

How many possible different variations for animals on earth can you think of? A lot right? Now think of a bunch of variations on animals that you can make up. There are a lot more right? Now ask yourself "how many possible bodies am I not thinking of..." - now, with this huge number of variation - why would an alien species that just happens to find our miserable little planet look exactly like us?
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Could be a case of like seeking like. If humanity goes to space and finds Squidbillyland, Planet of the Sponge, and Bedrock With Purple Two-Toed Fred, that last one might draw the most attention.
 
Kinitari said:
We aren't saying anything for certain, but take a second to objectively think about it.

How many possible different variations for animals on earth can you think of? A lot right? Now think of a bunch of variations on animals that you can make up. There are a lot more right? Now ask yourself "how many possible bodies am I not thinking of..." - now, with this huge number of variation - why would an alien species that just happens to find our miserable little planet look exactly like us?
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for aliens to be intelligent enough for space travel, it's logical to assume that their structure may be close to homosapien. we are vastly more intelligent than any other species we know of, nature has proven that, at least in our environment and conditions - this is the way to be. that's why most gray designs are based of the evolution some believe we will undertake, i.e. larger skulls and less emphasis on limb strength and athletic aspects. of course this is all conjecture, but there is scientific reasoning behind it.
 
Why do so many people wish this was real anyway? As Stephen Hawking put it, if there IS an advanced race of aliens out there and they are visiting us, chances are it can only end badly for the human race.
 
MadraptorMan said:
Why do so many people wish this was real anyway? As Stephen Hawking put it, if there IS an advanced race of aliens out there and they are visiting us, chances are it can only end badly for the human race.
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That's a possibility, but how do we figure that's the likely outcome?
 
JoshuaJSlone said:
That's a possibility, but how do we figure that's the likely outcome?
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Because there is no benefit to them to come here and try and help us. If they had any interest in Earth it'd be for the resources, most likely our water. If we're *very* lucky they wouldn't exterminate our whole species but keep a small portion alive as slave labour.
 
Sinatar said:
Because there is no benefit to them to come here and try and help us. If they had any interest in Earth it'd be for the resources, most likely our water. If we're *very* lucky they wouldn't exterminate our whole species but keep a small portion alive as slave labour.
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i don't think that's likely at all. consider ourselves, if we evolve enough to reach other star systems, would we really do that to others? even as the sometimes nasty species that we are, i don't think we would let ourselves sink so low as to enslave other civilizations. i think at least by then we will have learnt that's not a good thing...
 
PowderedToast said:
for aliens to be intelligent enough for space travel, it's logical to assume that their structure may be close to homosapien. we are vastly more intelligent than any other species we know of, nature has proven that, at least in our environment and conditions - this is the way to be. that's why most gray designs are based of the evolution some believe we will undertake, i.e. larger skulls and less emphasis on limb strength and athletic aspects. of course this is all conjecture, but there is scientific reasoning behind it.
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That's not really... scientific. Saying that because humans are the smartest known creatures, it 'makes sense' that Aliens will look like us is just a weird way to get from A to B. Can you imagine an alien species that doesn't look anything like us and is still extremely intelligent? I can - it's not like our body types are required for intellect.

And if grey's are model'd after what people think we might look like in the future, that... sort of proves my point.
 
Spat_triate said:
At least now we know the aliens' true weakness: flaming torches.
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You mean it's not a glass of water? Stop confusing me!
 
Sinatar said:
Because there is no benefit to them to come here and try and help us. If they had any interest in Earth it'd be for the resources, most likely our water. If we're *very* lucky they wouldn't exterminate our whole species but keep a small portion alive as slave labour.
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There's literally no way to be able to accurately predict the intentions of any intelligent life we were to come across. Think about the range of human morality on this planet, from cold blooded psychopaths to selfless humanitarians. The gulf between us and an alien civilization could be even greater than that.
 
Sinatar said:
Because there is no benefit to them to come here and try and help us. If they had any interest in Earth it'd be for the resources, most likely our water. If we're *very* lucky they wouldn't exterminate our whole species but keep a small portion alive as slave labour.
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That's quite an assumption to make of the personality traits of a non-existant species from another planet. For all we know aliens didn't come from a planet of survival-of-the-fittest like we are, such acts may have no place amongst them. Or for all we know, those acts have slowly declined. For all we know there are millions of voices and aliens in power with different opinions, and not all of them would say "kill them and take it all."

There are too many variables. Alien contact could be horrible for us, or it could be the best thing to ever happen to humans.
 
I'm just willing to err on the side of caution with Hawking: “If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn’t turn out very well for the Native Americans.”
 
You'd think a species that's smart enough to master interstellar travel wouldn't go out into the russian winter without an overcoat.
 
We aren't saying anything for certain, but take a second to objectively think about it.

How many possible different variations for animals on earth can you think of? A lot right? Now think of a bunch of variations on animals that you can make up. There are a lot more right? Now ask yourself "how many possible bodies am I not thinking of..." - now, with this huge number of variation - why would an alien species that just happens to find our miserable little planet look exactly like us?
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Perhaps creatures that evolve to use tools go the bipedal route?

That's not to say that there aren't intelligent species that evolve to look a lot different. I imagine intelligent sea creatures would be squid like. But a tool using, intelligent being on a planet with similar gravity and what not? Might stand up right.

Just saying.
 
astroturfing said:
i don't think that's likely at all. consider ourselves, if we evolve enough to reach other star systems, would we really do that to others? even as the sometimes nasty species that we are, i don't think we would let ourselves sink so low as to enslave other civilizations. i think at least by then we will have learnt that's not a good thing...
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Even as developed as we think we are, we still cheat, kill and backroom deal for resources. I think Stephen Hawking likened the situation of first contact to what happened to the Native Americans.

Also, an alien species that could reach earth would be more advanced than us. Now take a look at how humans treat lesser species - that's a pretty scary thought, imo.
 
Eteric Rice said:
Perhaps creatures that evolve to use tools go the bipedal route?

That's not to say that there aren't intelligent species that evolve to look a lot different. I imagine intelligent sea creatures would be squid like. But a tool using, intelligent being on a planet with similar gravity and what not? Might stand up right.

Just saying.
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Maybe they fly? Maybe they crawl? Maybe they have tentacles - maybe the tools they craft fit their specific limbs. There is no reason they have to look like us - or even be symmetrical. 5 arms, 7 legs, 9 eyes and 3 dicks. I would believe an Alien that looked like that before an Alien that looked almost exactly like us.
 
Baby Jesus said:
Even as developed as we think we are, we still cheat, kill and backroom deal for resources. I think Stephen Hawking likened the situation of first contact to what happened to the Native Americans.

Also, an alien species that could reach earth would be more advanced than us. Now take a look at how humans treat lesser species - that's a pretty scary thought, imo.
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Yeah, but then again, a species capable of finding a way around the light speed problem may have evolved past the hoarding instincts (which is probably responsible for a lot of our greed). If they're a thinking species, they may simply observe worlds, sort of like we do animals.

Why our world? Why not? If there are other species visiting here, we probably aren't the only ones they're studying.

Maybe they fly? Maybe they crawl? Maybe they have tentacles - maybe the tools they craft fit their specific limbs. There is no reason they have to look like us - or even be symmetrical. 5 arms, 7 legs, 9 eyes and 3 dicks. I would believe an Alien that looked like that before an Alien that looked almost exactly like us.
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How would a flying, or crawling species be able to devise tools without something similar to arms?

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying it's possible that intelligent, upright walking species may be common in cosmic terms. It could very well be the common path some life forms take on worlds with similar variables to that of Earth.
 
MadraptorMan said:
I'm just willing to err on the side of caution with Hawking: “If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn’t turn out very well for the Native Americans.”
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Fair enough.
 
Eteric Rice said:
How would a flying, or crawling species be able to devise tools without something similar to arms?

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying it's possible that intelligent, upright walking species may be common in cosmic terms. It could very well be the common path some life forms take on worlds with similar variables to that of Earth.
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Mandibles, tentacles, dexterous spines, trunks, tails, tongues - these are all things we see on earth, that with some imagination, I could see slightly modified to work with modified tools. And my imagination is limited - who knows what else is out there.

These creatures could fly using gas sacks on their backs, have tentacles on their 'bellies' and a proboscis for a mouth. They could crawl like millipedes, but have tails like scorpians, with weird claw things at the end.
 
Eteric Rice said:
Perhaps creatures that evolve to use tools go the bipedal route?

That's not to say that there aren't intelligent species that evolve to look a lot different. I imagine intelligent sea creatures would be squid like. But a tool using, intelligent being on a planet with similar gravity and what not? Might stand up right.

Just saying.
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I posted an interesting story earlier that we recently discovered that dolphins use crude tools.
 
Kinitari said:
Mandibles, tentacles, dexterous spines, trunks, tails, tongues - these are all things we see on earth, that with some imagination, I could see slightly modified to work with modified tools. And my imagination is limited - who knows what else is out there.

These creatures could fly using gas sacks on their backs, have tentacles on their 'bellies' and a proboscis for a mouth. They could crawl like millipedes, but have tails like scorpians, with weird claw things at the end.
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I think your problem is you don't think an alien would look like that because of your imagination. See the problem:

Supposed aliens look like humans. Therefor (grey) aliens are a figment of mans imaginations.

Aliens should not look like humans. Therefor they should look like my imagination or better.

This position makes no sense. Considering there are numerous planets stars and galaxies you have no idea what is out there. It's reasonable that some aliens could look a certain way (crazy like your imagination) or another way (like humanoid greys).

I don't see why they should be limited to one category over another. Think of it as a sliding scale. The closer to 1 they are the closer they look to humans. Just because greys are a 3 doesn't mean that no other alien life exists or that the aliens representing a 3 are fake.
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
I think your problem is you don't think an alien would look like that because of your imagination. See the problem:

Supposed aliens look like humans. Therefor (grey) aliens are a figment of mans imaginations.

Aliens should not look like humans. Therefor they should look like my imagination or better.

This position makes no sense. Considering there are numerous planets stars and galaxies you have no idea what is out there. It's reasonable that some aliens could look a certain way (crazy like your imagination) or another way (like humanoid greys).

I don't see why they should be limited to one category over another. Think of it as a sliding scale. The closer to 1 they are the closer they look to humans. Just because greys are a 3 doesn't mean that no other alien life exists or that the aliens representing a 3 are fake.
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I didn't say they have to look like I imagine, just probability of them looking like us is ridiculous. Sure, let's look at your sliding scale.

Lets say humans are 1, and the scale goes up to like, 100,000. What are the odds we're going to see anything from 2-10?
 
Dumb question, but still a serious one. If there is alien life out there, and it exists on planets similar to ours, wouldn't that make it less crazy for them to resemble us in at least some way, shape, or form? We've evolved to the way we are today in a large part because of our environment, from the atmosphere. I know there are a billion other factors, but still something I'm curious about. I mean, we aren't the only creatures on this planet. So, we can assume on another planet there would be a huge plethora of alien life as well. OKay...done rambling.
 
Tr4nce said:
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If you guys are gonna fight over what intelligent aliens might look like, don't forget to consider gravity of their planets. They might be huge in size.

And just like we need to bring air with us into space, they might be floating in other stuff to survive. Maybe even liquid.

PS. Second smartest animal on Earth is a dolphin. And they don't look like humans. Some of you really have no imagination at all.
 
Vincent Alexander said:
My imagination would blow your mind. You can't even imagine it.
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I'm pretty sure I can predict your thoughts based on your previous post. My imagination is humongous, it can easily fit yours in it.

:P
 
Soneet said:
I'm pretty sure I can predict your thoughts based on your previous post. My imagination is humongous, it can easily fit yours in it.

:P
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I was about to say, "yours must be pretty big." Then I said it out loud and realized how sexual it sounds.
 
This is what I stated in a previous thread, no matter what type of footage we get - in this day and age it will never be believable. If the camera quality is crap; "Fake the camera quality is complete shit, can be anything." If the camera quality is good, "Fake it looks too nice must be a creature puppet/costume/doll". Unless the aliens go door to door and shake our hands, it is impossible to believe.

Sucks!
 
Kinitari said:
Maybe they fly? Maybe they crawl? Maybe they have tentacles - maybe the tools they craft fit their specific limbs. There is no reason they have to look like us - or even be symmetrical. 5 arms, 7 legs, 9 eyes and 3 dicks. I would believe an Alien that looked like that before an Alien that looked almost exactly like us.
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You don't get it. Intelligent species need an efficient body structure since the brain takes up the most ressources. That's why an intelligent alien species will most definately not fly or have 100 arms. Two of each is the most logical thing, simply because it's the most efficient.

There are a lot of other factors that would lead to a humanoid form. E.g. hands are very likely to be present since written communication is necessary to develop a civilisation. Without written civilisation we never would have gotten past cavemen.
 
Soneet said:
PS. Second smartest animal on Earth is a dolphin. And they don't look like humans. Some of you really have no imagination at all.
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Don't really see dolphins creating wheels, hatchets, etc. Which is my point. Dolphins are extremely intelligent, but they haven't developed the means to create tools.

Now, an octopus could probably create tools. They seem to have the most tool making potential of all sea creatures, imo.
 
Stabbie said:
You don't get it. Intelligent species need an efficient body structure since the brain takes up the most ressources. That's why an intelligent alien species will most definately not fly or have 100 arms. Two of each is the most logical thing, simply because it's the most efficient.

There are a lot of other factors that would lead to a humanoid form. E.g. hands are very likely to be present since written communication is necessary to develop a civilisation. Without written civilisation we never would have gotten past cavemen.
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Now this post is a good example of someone having the complete opposite of an open mind.

Yep, I'm saying this post doesn't favor what you're arguing for, Stabbie. Ironically, it's your arguments that does this.
 
Looks like the aliens have taken my advice on earth overpopulation - make everyone a midget. Each flat would quadruple in capacity, food requirements and fossilic fuel consumption would halve per capita if we made people half the size - which looks exactly what that alien is. Real!
 
Eteric Rice said:
Don't really see dolphins creating wheels, hatchets, etc. Which is my point. Dolphins are extremely intelligent, but they haven't developed the means to create tools.

Now, an octopus could probably create tools. They seem to have the most tool making potential of all sea creatures, imo.
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I don't understand how you can say this when this thread literally has evidence of tool-using Dolphins with their own culture.
 
Baby Jesus said:
Even as developed as we think we are, we still cheat, kill and backroom deal for resources. I think Stephen Hawking likened the situation of first contact to what happened to the Native Americans.

Also, an alien species that could reach earth would be more advanced than us. Now take a look at how humans treat lesser species - that's a pretty scary thought, imo.
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What's more is even if the aliens evolved beyond cheating, killing, greed, stealing etc. We obviously haven't. The human component to this interaction between aliens and us would be the biggest liability.
 
Vincent Alexander said:
Dumb question, but still a serious one. If there is alien life out there, and it exists on planets similar to ours, wouldn't that make it less crazy for them to resemble us in at least some way, shape, or form? We've evolved to the way we are today in a large part because of our environment, from the atmosphere. I know there are a billion other factors, but still something I'm curious about. I mean, we aren't the only creatures on this planet. So, we can assume on another planet there would be a huge plethora of alien life as well. OKay...done rambling.
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If it wasn't for a meteor, we would all be dinosaurs
 
ArjanN said:
You'd think a species that's smart enough to master interstellar travel wouldn't go out into the russian winter without an overcoat.
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Because there aren't individual idiots in our own species, right? He could have been the slow gray.

Nocebo said:
What's more is even if the aliens evolved beyond cheating, killing, greed, stealing etc. We obviously haven't. The human component to this interaction between aliens and us would be the biggest liability.
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I love how you assume a superior lifeform would "evolve beyond" these things.
 
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