"root" has a slightly different meaning down under... eg Naomi Watts is "rootable"
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"root" has a slightly different meaning down under... eg Naomi Watts is "rootable"
RangersFan
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just a quick point to make regarding those basing tarzan for voting leif. what he did was very logical. if tarzan voted kim it would have forced a 3 way tie. in the event of the tie there is a re-vote, and only those who aren't tied get to vote, so that would exclude tarzan's, leifs, and kim's vote. which would essentially mean tarzan's odd's of going home would have been 50/50, so he did something logical in voting for leif.
Crazymoogle
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I can't possibly make the logic jump that Tarzan is playing with an actual strategy. I agree with Jonas - "he has none".
Survivor Season 25 (Philippines) Popular Rumor being reported:
Survivor Season 25 (Philippines) Popular Rumor being reported:
3 returnees, all injury evacs, possibly part of a 3rd tribe:
1. Jonathan Penner (last seen on All-Stars, right?)
2. Russell Swan (the guy who was removed due to dehydration)
3. the guy who fell in the fire in Survivor Australia (!!!)
1. Jonathan Penner (last seen on All-Stars, right?)
2. Russell Swan (the guy who was removed due to dehydration)
3. the guy who fell in the fire in Survivor Australia (!!!)
The legitimacy of that rumor goes up just because:
they're all men again 
1. Penner bruised his leg in S16, he's definitely someone I'd like to see again. Was hoping him for HvV as he's often seen as an asshole by others.
2. Don't know how I feel about Swan, he didn't show much in Samoa. Sure he was leading the tribe but doing some absolutely asinine choices like pillows over tarp, excluding Shambo and favoring Yaz for... some reason. Guess his fall made for good TV and is a good enough reason to bring him back. Wasn't he close to dying, or something like that according to the reunion? Would he be brought back?
3. I hardly remember Skupin anymore, tough survival guy who killed a boar or something. Wouldn't mind someone from older seasons though.
Surely these 3 would beat the Hantzs: Russell, Sean and Brandon.
I just don't agree with seasons that have a couple of returnees and the rest are new players, it's not fair for so many reasons. Either make it all-stars or don't bother. There's a pic from a possible challenge with 3 spots for tribes, so something like this could be true. Would they even do a "regular" 6+6+6 at this point?
2. Don't know how I feel about Swan, he didn't show much in Samoa. Sure he was leading the tribe but doing some absolutely asinine choices like pillows over tarp, excluding Shambo and favoring Yaz for... some reason. Guess his fall made for good TV and is a good enough reason to bring him back. Wasn't he close to dying, or something like that according to the reunion? Would he be brought back?
3. I hardly remember Skupin anymore, tough survival guy who killed a boar or something. Wouldn't mind someone from older seasons though.
Surely these 3 would beat the Hantzs: Russell, Sean and Brandon.
I just don't agree with seasons that have a couple of returnees and the rest are new players, it's not fair for so many reasons. Either make it all-stars or don't bother. There's a pic from a possible challenge with 3 spots for tribes, so something like this could be true. Would they even do a "regular" 6+6+6 at this point?
Crazymoogle
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There was a really good interview on EW about this.
Basically he was shocked when he saw what happened on TV because he was so dehydrated he didn't even remember most of it. He admitted a few times he thought he could go back into the game, and it wasn't until the episode where he saw just how bad it was.
He also expresses how annoyed he was at being chosen as leader in Samoa, and how pretty much right away decisions began to hurt him.
He also expresses how annoyed he was at being chosen as leader in Samoa, and how pretty much right away decisions began to hurt him.
Well, you gotta admit
using vets that most people wouldn't recognize could help their chances, though.
Pachterballs
Banned
Id rather they bring back colton than 2. scary googly rolling back to the head eyes. I think I dry retched.
also; he was also boring as all hell. I'm trying to show leadershit. leadershit shit... unnnrrrhhh.
also; he was also boring as all hell. I'm trying to show leadershit. leadershit shit... unnnrrrhhh.
Incendiary
Banned
It'd be interesting if they did a whole tribe of evacuees. Penner, Russell, Mike, Colton, James (was evacuated once, nearly twice!), Gary (was from Fiji, supposedly a big fan of the game), Bruce (Exile Island). There are enough choices
Although it's interesting that all the evacuees have pretty much always been men. Aside from the girl at the beginning of this season, I think all the rest of the injuries have been men.
Although it's interesting that all the evacuees have pretty much always been men. Aside from the girl at the beginning of this season, I think all the rest of the injuries have been men.
BigJonsson
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Bring back Elisabeth Hasselbeck and send her to exile island every day
Mister Zimbu
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1. Is it confirmed that the votees don't re-vote in a three-way tie? In a two way tie it makes sense just because their votes cancel each other out. I've never seen a three-way tie before.
2. I think it's a pretty lofty assumption that Tarzan knew in advance that the votes would be split 3/3/3.
3. Seriously. He's Tarzan.
Crazymoogle said:
A season where they
bring back a tribe full of Bretts and Kellys from previous seasons and don't tell the opposing tribe that they were on the show before would be hilarious. "Fans vs. Wait, those guys were on Survivor before?"
Incendiary
Banned
Yeah. It happened in the first Redemption Island season. They split the votes 3/3/3 over Russell and one of Russell's girl minions. Russell and the girl and the person Russell + minions voted for didn't vote, everyone else did and bye bye Russell.
Of All Trades
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The assumption with Tarzan is that he's aware that he's a goat and is doing nothing to rock that boat. Essentially he's like Phillip from Redemption 1, except even less likable.
I really hope Troy gets another idol (hidden or otherwise) because IIRC the numbers game works out that if he survives one more round the women's alliance will shatter messily and we'll get delicious drama until the last episode or so.
SecretMoblin
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Not necessarily. The women seemed more than willing to vote out Tarzan, Tarzan seemed less than willing to vote with Troy, and do you really think the solid four would splinter? One more round and those four have the numbers.
The only thing to keep the drama high would be an immunity run from Troy or a breakup of the K/K/S/C alliance, both of which seem unlikely.
Shabadoo69
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I think that they should bring back every person that was voted off first of every season and call it Survivor Losers. Ok maybe not that name but I still think that would be interesting.
Pachterballs
Banned
SecretMoblin
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Eh, the first to go usually deserved to go. I'm still in the "no second chances" camp, either for returning "favorites" or people who left the show in other ways. They had their shot, they failed.
Unless it's an all-stars season, of course.
Of All Trades
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I think the split vote was an attempt to flush out a HII if Troy had one. That plot thread just kinda dropped but it's about the only reason I can see why there'd be a split vote.
If Troy gets another idol then the timing to make a big move to eliminate Kim will narrow (I think everyone knows she is masterminding and, barring something weird, IMO will win if she makes it to final). One of those three other women is on the bottom (I'm betting Sabrina, who has also played a pretty decent game), and if Troy makes it to final 7 then one of them must be running the numbers to securing a final 3 position instead of being reliant on winning final immunity.
Being in a final four of seven is less secure than being in a final three of six.
Of All Trades
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You don't see the appeal in a season with a couple people who injured out and a mob of people with zero social skills?
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
imagine if you got voted off first again. #suicidewatch
VGChampion
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The only second chance people who "deserve" to come back are the two who never even played the game. What a load of crap that was. I think it was Palau? Two people not chosen on the first day go home? Even though they didn't look anything special how disappointing would that be?
Bring back Sandra. She's won twice. No way people keep her with all that resentment of going first.
I didn't like Swan, Penner I love watching, and I liked the fire guy back in his season but I don't want a returning player season already. Save that for Survivor 28 or something for another fans vs favorites. Stupid CBS / Survivor and not just playing the game normally.
Bring back Sandra. She's won twice. No way people keep her with all that resentment of going first.
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
Ugh, I couldn't bear Sandra tricking everyone into letting her win again
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Yeah, the two returning players angle just doesn't work. It's unfair for everyone involved. I'm all for all-stars seasons, but just bringing back two players amongst a new cast usually results in a lackluster season.
This.
I was hoping by tribal that they would actually see voting out Kim would be a smart move, but now...I can't see any of the rest of the season being interesting whatsoever.
BoboBrazil
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Wonder if Kim will blindside some of the women to bring Tarzan to the final? Gotta think her chances at the end would be stronger with him and someone like Christina who nobody likes. At this point it's pretty much just them voting off Troy and then Tarzan unless Troy wins immunity, which I hope happens so bad. Doubt it will happen though.
In that case, I'm going to root the fuck out of Chelsea.
The editing team is doing a great job showcasing the women as bitches; from the eye rolling to the smirking, every one of them seems to do something.
I'm also in favor of Troyzan winning Immunity straight until the final, if only for the chaos it would cause, but even if he was able to do that, I don't think he'd win the game. Unless of course he was sitting next to Kat and Christina.
This is a pretty unlikable cast. Tarzan voting for Leif was a great under the radar backstab, I hope they show it a the reunion show. And as far as next week goes, no matter what happens, if Troyzan doesn't win immunity or find a HII, he's gone.
I'd say Kim has this game locked.
I'm also in favor of Troyzan winning Immunity straight until the final, if only for the chaos it would cause, but even if he was able to do that, I don't think he'd win the game. Unless of course he was sitting next to Kat and Christina.
This is a pretty unlikable cast. Tarzan voting for Leif was a great under the radar backstab, I hope they show it a the reunion show. And as far as next week goes, no matter what happens, if Troyzan doesn't win immunity or find a HII, he's gone.
I'd say Kim has this game locked.
SecretMoblin
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I agree with this.
Folks hoping for a Troy victory at this point should really temper their expectations.
Yeah, I think he'd have had a good shot before this past week. Not anymore.
Speaking of that, it seemed that Alicia was pivotal to Troy's plan. Had she agreed to it this past week, it probably would have worked. If that's the case, then a subplot of this episode is that she's pretty much locked herself out of a shot at winning. Put her with any two of Tarzan, Leif, Troy, and Christina, and she probably wins.
As it stands now, she has to hope it's her, Kat, and Christina. But that'll probably never happen, because one of that trio (probably Christina) will likely be gone in the next two votes.
If Alicia were really clever -- and she's not -- she would have gone with Troy's plan until Kim and Chelsea were gone. Then, at seven, she realigns the women to take out the three guys (or Sabrina at five). Then, immunity permitting, she, Kat, and Christina get rid of Sabrina (or the guy who's left) -- and she's up against Kat and Christina (or one of them and the other remaining player, depending on immunity) in the final three.
At all odd numbers (9/7/5), she would be in a majority of the smallest possible number. That's what you always want.
I don't even know why I'm doing all this speculating on her behalf. I didn't even want her to win. It just seems like she could've given herself a decent path to it.
Pachterballs
Banned
I loved it when she won again. Truly deserved both wins.
She's this moderately normally looking Latino woman who isnt physically adept but in both instances played the Perfect social game. And in the 2nd rond, she was also significantly strategic.
Love Sandra!
The weird thing about Sandra is that she really did earn both her wins, once she got to the end. The truth about winning Survivor is that the winner has always been the most liked/respected -- or least hated/disrespected -- finalist. (And sometimes the show does a bad job showing us how the other players felt about those finalists, so we don't find out who was most liked until post-season interviews.)
We fans often want it to go to the best strategist, the person who played the best game to get to the end. And sometimes that person does win, but that's never been why they win.
Even when the jurors say they're voting for the most "deserving" player, they usually pick the person they want to win, and then rationalize their strategic reasoning.
There's nothing wrong with that being the way the game is won, so long as the players realize (as Russell never did) that getting to the end and winning can be different -- if sometimes overlapping -- games, being played simultaneously throughout the season.
Sandra's "anyone but me" strategy got her to the end in two seasons; it kept her from angering her tribemates enough to refuse voting for her as winner; and by owning and publicizing her strategy, she kept the respect of the jury. (Her final tribal council performance in Pearl Islands was the template for the exact right way to own your gameplay, setting an example for later winners Todd and Parvati.)
We fans often want it to go to the best strategist, the person who played the best game to get to the end. And sometimes that person does win, but that's never been why they win.
Even when the jurors say they're voting for the most "deserving" player, they usually pick the person they want to win, and then rationalize their strategic reasoning.
There's nothing wrong with that being the way the game is won, so long as the players realize (as Russell never did) that getting to the end and winning can be different -- if sometimes overlapping -- games, being played simultaneously throughout the season.
Sandra's "anyone but me" strategy got her to the end in two seasons; it kept her from angering her tribemates enough to refuse voting for her as winner; and by owning and publicizing her strategy, she kept the respect of the jury. (Her final tribal council performance in Pearl Islands was the template for the exact right way to own your gameplay, setting an example for later winners Todd and Parvati.)
SecretMoblin
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I think fans/viewers tend to conflate entertaining gameplay with good gameplaythere isn't always overlap. I understand how it can be fun to watch someone manipulate the other players, make a series of big moves, find idols, and win challenges, but that doesn't make them any more or less "deserving".
The game is won by getting a plurality of votes from the jury. The players who understand that are the ones who have won. Sandra deserved it both times.
The game is won by getting a plurality of votes from the jury. The players who understand that are the ones who have won. Sandra deserved it both times.
Exactly right. And that's a good point about entertaining gameplay. The big moves and blindsides are fun for us (and good for the ego of the instigator), but they don't always help garner votes in the end.
SecretMoblin
Member
People don't know what they got until it's gone...
Honestly though, I would be okay with pretty much any of the remaining players winning, except maybe Christina. And Tarzan. There isn't anyone like Sophie last season who has jumped out at me.
BoboBrazil
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Troyzan might as well give up trying to turn these idiot girls. Even after everyone said she didn't deserve to be there to her face basically, Christina will still vote along with Kim. They won't do any big moves.
UberTag
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Can't blame the guy for trying. It's not like he has more important things to do.
EDIT: Troyzan is so not winning this challenge.
BoboBrazil
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Goodbye Troyzan. It's going to suck without him there. Blah.
I laughed out loud at that part. Christina is hopeless. I'm happy for Kim and her eventual win.
UberTag
Member
It's been a completely dominant run for Kim.
Very reminiscent of how Brian Heidik strung every single one of his alliance mates along in Survivor: Thailand. They all thought they were his Number 2.
I love how Christina has been told she's toast if Troyzan plays an idol and still thinks everything is cool.
Here Christina goes... with her "you knows", "likes" and "stuffs". She's such a doorknob.
KibblesBits
Member
I cannot stand Alicia. She is a terrible creature.
lazybones18
Banned
Ladies better vote out Tarzan next week
UberTag
Member
Why? Tarzan's harmless. He's doing a good job of ensuring he sticks around a while longer.
Not surprised Kim is targeting Sabrina next. She's systematically going after her biggest threats.
lazybones18
Banned
All the men need to go immediately. After giving up immunity, none of them should be around for the final five, let alone final tribal
He's skating by because he's useless and in the same position as Christina. No one would give him the win in a F3.
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