RangersFan
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wow talk about bad luck with the tribal switch, orange got totally screwed. as much as people hate colton he actually makes this season entertaining. i find myself oddly cheering for him to see how far he can get.
Survivor: One World |OT| Thread of Stupid Name, Promising Twist
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BoboBrazil
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Russell was great. He actually had a good mind for what was going on and it was awesome watching him mastermind everything. Colton is just a bigoted idiot, who somehow is controlling both tribes now. It's definitely not by being some master of the game. It's just the rest of the people are idiots. He really seems to have no long term gameplan.
UberTag
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For the moment, his only gameplan seems to be to play everyone against each other and to vote out physical threats. That's about it.
It's a great approach if his plan is to be dragged to the finale as a jury goat and come back to play Survivor again due to being a "memorable personality". That's about as far as it will get him, though.
Hours Left
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Russell was a great strategist on paper, but I think his social game was horrendous. And the fact that he still wouldn't admit that's why he lost repeatedly is telling of how single minded he is. He only knew how to get to the end, not how to win.
Colton isn't even at that level though. He doesn't really have any game besides the fact that he was lucky that he got (initially) put on a tribe with a couple of other ego maniacs and a bunch of sheep. The only two guys that knew the score (Jay & Troy) were wise enough not to rock the boat since they weren't in danger and have thankfully been swapped to a far superior tribe.
Now that Monica is gone, Christina is really the only person left on his tribe that could throw a wrench in his (short sighted) plans, but I think he's already secured his inevitable destruction.
Dice
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So I haven't watched any of this until tonight. Colton is a condescending asshole that doesn't need to be anywhere near a million dollars. I know the viewers are getting secret and select info, but it seems like people should be able to tell he has zero respect for anyone on the island and is doing nothing but run around playing everyone he can to his own benefit. Jonas seemed to realize it for a bit but then he just went all practical not caring if they voted off the strongest person on their team.
yellowjacket25
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Alicia was a lot easier to manipulate then I thought she would be.
So the One World is over already? Makes sense, doubt it would be that interesting on one beach with mixed tribes. Would only enforce the men vs women to continue even in the new tribes.
Colton's got some game, too bad he ruined any chance he had by being an asshole. He's controlling this tribe as well, he controlled the men's tribe and if the edit is to be believed no one is even trying to get his idol out. Sure he's doing well because the others don't seem too competent, this episode's Monica blindside was a good example of that. The others made it the tribal so awkward with the Monica praising. Jonas doing good by laying low and letting Colton take control imo.
Kim looks like the winner, great tribe and she even has the majority within, idol and hasn't really annoyed anyone.
I think Alicia played as smart as she could. Her tribe looks like it's going to lose the challenges, so by flipping she got herself at least 2 more safe tribals if they continue to lose. The game changes so fast they might be merging then, so why risk becoming Colton's target now when she can vote out non-jury members and possibly make it much further? She tried getting Colton to vote with the women and I guess it didn't seem too promising.
Colton's got some game, too bad he ruined any chance he had by being an asshole. He's controlling this tribe as well, he controlled the men's tribe and if the edit is to be believed no one is even trying to get his idol out. Sure he's doing well because the others don't seem too competent, this episode's Monica blindside was a good example of that. The others made it the tribal so awkward with the Monica praising. Jonas doing good by laying low and letting Colton take control imo.
Kim looks like the winner, great tribe and she even has the majority within, idol and hasn't really annoyed anyone.
I think Alicia played as smart as she could. Her tribe looks like it's going to lose the challenges, so by flipping she got herself at least 2 more safe tribals if they continue to lose. The game changes so fast they might be merging then, so why risk becoming Colton's target now when she can vote out non-jury members and possibly make it much further? She tried getting Colton to vote with the women and I guess it didn't seem too promising.
I agree but I'd like to see them try it again in another season. They should take it a step further and not have two tribes but instead have everyone together and have them do a random draw before each competition to determine the tribes for that competition then have them disband again once it was over. It would bring an entirely different level to the show since it would be difficult to have alliances because you wouldn't be able to count on who'd be on your tribe at any given immunity challenge. You do this until it's down to the individual immunity challenges then proceed as normal.
DietRob
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I really like this idea it would make for a much more interesting dynamic!
Shamrock7r
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I hear stuff like this and I don't get it. I have gone back and watched Samoa. What did Russell do in the social game that was so bad he shouldn't have won?I think he had a very good social game and couldn't have done anything much different given the circumstances of going into the merge 8-4 down.
He had a bunch of crybabies on the jury.
Pachterballs
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well, the merge possibly made it completely uninteresting. The way it should play is that the manono tribe should keep losing; colton should give one of the men the idols so they can blindside one of the chicks and keep the numbers up... but... its up in the air... They just need to find time to meet and discuss strategy
but the game got less interesting challenge wise.
colton's back to being interesting tv though; as I thought he'd be.
but the game got less interesting challenge wise.
colton's back to being interesting tv though; as I thought he'd be.
Pachterballs
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He could have done it without being so toxic.
Russell Hantz is a fucking ass clown. And you want to know why? Because he did that TWICE. played the same game; acted vicious all the way through and expected to win.
didn't deserve any votes.
Fixed1979
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This, he just seems to be going through the motions and playing day to day instead of planning anything out.
I was talking about the whole giving up immunity with a friend yesterday prior to last nights episode and I don't know if I could have just stood there and agreed, and I don't know if I could have remained silent when Colton went on his rant at tribal that same episode. Obviously it's different being there, but shit people couldn't stand up for their tribe or for Bill, kinda sad. It probably wouldn't have been the best social decision, but who knows how it would have worked out.
Harry Potter
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Agee 100%. The first time. He's game wasn't flawless but it was one of the best IMO. He lost because of a bitter jury who had no clue about the game of Survivor. After that season there were 2-3 people who said that they messed up and wished they would have voted for him. Purple Kelly and a couple others I can't remember.
Of All Trades
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I agree to an extent about the bitter jury (the whole thing with Brett? was really bad) but his final jury speech was the reverse of what he should have done. A smart social player would have gone full-tilt humility/apology. He should have been couching a lot of his actions in a similar way the whole time.
Pachterballs
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can't believe I'm reading that "russell hantz has a good social game".
The worst social game.
SOCIAL.
look up the meaning of the word. Bullying. Being aggressive to the hilt is what cost him. Especially when the end vote is a jury vote.
The worst social game.
SOCIAL.
look up the meaning of the word. Bullying. Being aggressive to the hilt is what cost him. Especially when the end vote is a jury vote.
That is a fantastic idea. That would pretty much stop one team from steamrolling another as best you could.
I loved Russell. He perfected the strategy of getting yourself to the end, but always finishing in 2nd place.
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
Colton just needs to go already, so annoying and can't believe Jonas thinks he is so smart.
Really feel like they have a whole season of people who have never watched the damn show.
Really feel like they have a whole season of people who have never watched the damn show.
KuwabaraTheMan
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Getting rid of Monica over Christina doesn't really make much sense to me. Monica might be a bit more of a threat, but they need some tribal strength at the current point.
He was a bully who acted abrasively towards every person, and then went in completely arrogant at the final tribal council and lost almost any votes he could have gotten.
Russell lost, largely, because he didn't understand Survivor at all. He should have never taken people like Natalie or Mick with him to the end when he had Jaison and Shambo as perfect goats. He also didn't understand that you need to be less abrasive. You need people to want to vote for you to win.
He was a bully who acted abrasively towards every person, and then went in completely arrogant at the final tribal council and lost almost any votes he could have gotten.
Russell lost, largely, because he didn't understand Survivor at all. He should have never taken people like Natalie or Mick with him to the end when he had Jaison and Shambo as perfect goats. He also didn't understand that you need to be less abrasive. You need people to want to vote for you to win.
Only reason he's not gone is because he holds an immunity idol and everyone knows it. If he gets the slightest sniff that someone wants to vote him out he'll just his idol and vote him out instead.
Shamrock7r
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He talked shit to the camera. As far as we know he didn't act like that to any of the people in the tribes, and especially on the jury, especially in Samoa. I want specifics about how he was so vicious, because I don't think you can provide anything significant.
Shamrock7r
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How was he arrogant though? I could see it a little more in HvV, but in Samoa I didn't see anything crazy. He did what he had to do to overcome an 8-4 deficit and get to the final, but I never saw him just acting outright nutty and rude to anyone in Samoa.'
The only thing he really messed up on was his jury speech, which was pretty bad. Even so, if you watched the Ponderosa videos it was pretty obvious they weren't going to vote for him no matter what he said.
Brian Fellows
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Alicia gets uglier by the episode. Not good for someone who was pretty ugly when she got there.
Lactose_Intolerant
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This season has been pretty boring for me, even though I like the 1 camp dynamic better than the previous season's twists.
Razgriz-Specter
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But the problem with that is the players likeability is the only thing keeping them in. Woud take away to much imo.
You could be the best player on the losing team but be voted out because you might be a threat next week or at the merge. Would be too hard to have any kind of strategy.
SecretMoblin
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I'm glad to see so much agreement on Russell. The social aspect is part of the game, and it always has been. So what if the jury was dumb? The truly good player adapts and works with it.
Also glad to see a lot of the rage for Colton has subsided. Dude comes off as a whiny, ignorant prick, but he's hardly History's Greatest Monster™. As far as Survivor villains go, he's pretty toothless. But the way he's able to manipulate two different groups of people is remarkably entertaining.
BigJonsson
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Colton is an assclown, he'll only survive as the person who makes enemies with everyone and gets dragged to the end for the jury to roast
Incendiary
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Read this as a good explanation for why Russell sucks. And then read the rest of the countdown because it's awesome and Mario Lanza is a fantastic comedic writer.
The part in bold is THE reason survivor needs to change how it elects it's winners. It seems to be that the jury only picks someone who didn't hurt their feelings. It's been like this for a while now and it is the worst possible way to choose a winner on this show.
Fans should select the winner. We get to see more and get to actually see who put what/which moves into place. But I digress...
This season is good so far. Wish they didn't split the tribes up as I thought the hatred between the men and women was very interesting. It's hilarious that Colten is running the weaker tribe. The guy isn't a genius but he's the only one with a mind for strategy.
How the hell do fans get to see more? It's all edited a certain way. We don't see 99% of what happens on that island. And yes, the jury is full of babies, but that's part of the game. You have to win in a way that will not alienate you from everyone else.
SecretMoblin
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Yep.
If fans were picking the winner, they wouldn't actually be the ones picking the winner; the editors would. And how fun is that?
Bu-bu-but Russell was the only one playing the game, he said so himself on the TV!! The game is flawed and no one has realized this in 24 seasons except for him!
Ahaha.
SecretMoblin
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Of course, the problem with the last several seasons of Big Brother is that the producers are the ones choosing the jury.
Wow dude, why are you still posting here. Just give Colton a ring and hook up.
He's still a fucking racist and all the hate towards him is justified
There's a video one for the old Funny115 too, on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFunny115/videos
Hours Left
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I disagree, I think that would be horrible for the show. As someone else has already mentioned, it would basically be the editors choosing the winner. There is no way that the viewers would have enough information to make an informed decision, plus, if you think they jury votes with their emotion, what do you think the general populous is going to do? Just look at all the players that have won the fans' choice prizes.
Part of Survivor is learning how to deal, navigate and manipulate human emotions, that's what makes it so interesting. The jury isn't made up of automatons, nor should it be. The fact that Russell thought he didn't have to make any adjustments to how he dealt with people on a personal level after already losing for that very reason is indicator enough to me that he has no idea how to win Survivor.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Exactly. And a lot of what they do show us is very misleading. Like when Danielle and Amanda fought over the HII clue. They made it look like Danielle left it lying under the bed like a dumbass and thats how Amanda got it. When in reality Danielle was laying on top of the clue and Amanda lifted her up and took it out from under her.
SecretMoblin
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Yep, the producers shouldn't have any contact with the contestants on BB in the diary room.Of course, the problem with the last several seasons of Big Brother is that the producers are the ones choosing the jury.
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