Switch 2 proves consumers are fine with paying up

Too many people living in their parents basement jobless playing games 12 hours a day identifying with young children who have no money not realizing people work and have money. I preordered it because I love Nintendo games and I have 2 young children that I enjoy playing video games with. Don't be mad your parents want nothing to do with your cumdumpster dungeon and won't buy it for you.
 
You are trying to declare the early adopters as the consumer. Of course people who had every Nintendo system preordered this thing. I did. I am also pissed and will not buy any accessories because they are overpriced and will probably get stick drift. I'll get 8bitdo controllers. There is nothing I can do about the games. But I can afford them. Other parents might actually look at this stuff and chose something else. We won't know for a long time. I suspect the Switch 2 will sell less of everything.
 
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On one side, ofc every1 recognises switch2 isnt cheap, on the other, we all are veteran gamers here, we know very well as long as quality is there(aka musthave exclusives), console/handheld hybrid will have 0 problems selling, period :)
Same like with expedition 33, in the end:
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I think when we saw there wasn't going to be any MSRP reduction in Switch hardware pricing nor $20 select titles, I'm not surprised that Nintendo would push Mario Kart to $80. And it will remain that price for the next decade, barring a random sale that drops it to 60. I mean Nintendo hasn't even given any indication that they'll drop Switch 1 $50-$100 as a budget option to their new offerings.
 
Back in the day, my parents were too cheap to get me a SNES, so I missed out on that generation of Nintendo.

I am still uncovering SNES classic games.
 
RCU005 said:
This way of thinking is why stuff gets more expensive in the first place. Corporations rely on people like you to justify whatever price they want to set regardless of inflation or the economy. They know there are people with this mindset that will swallow whatever kool-aid they give them.
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I'm not defending it, but I think you need to study a little bit more what inflation is, and how it works. It's not all a matter of companies deciding to charge more for products. It's more deeply related to the market itself, and the loss of purchasing power derived from the currency over time.

There's nothing the companies can do to derail that. It's not their role..they are under it.
 
Murdoch said:
Is this an American currency issue?

In the UK the switch is £425 with Mario Kart. The Ps5 is £479 (disc equivalent) with Astro Bots first effort

Mario Kart world is £67 digitally £75 physical
Donkey Kong £59 / £67

Most of Sony's first party efforts are £70

Unsure what the huge outpouring of rage is about in recent weeks unless the States doesn't correlate to the rest of the world pricing...
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I remember when the PS3 launched for £425 when the pound was strong against the dollar. The equivalent of over $800 dollars at the time.

Our Ameribros have been treated with kid gloves for too long.
 
pulicat said:
$449 hybrid device with VRR, HDR, and 120hz screen with 3.1TF performance plus DLSS and RT features.
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You can get a console with VRR on TV, HDR, 120fps, GTA 6, high speed CPU, smart upscaling, RT, 4TF for $250.

Nintendo are charging the Handheld Tax on top of the Nintendo Tax.
 
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KungFucius said:
Other parents might actually look at this stuff and chose something else. We won't know for a long time. I suspect the Switch 2 will sell less of everything.
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I imagine this is a calculation they're factoring into the price increases. Less overall people buying at higher prices will probably help their production/distribution pipeline as well.

So for example, they can make the same money selling 100 Pro controllers at $70 as they can selling 82 at $85. Take that idea down the line for all other accessories, consoles and games and even as economies of scale further tip in their favor, as we've seen with the prior gen those prices will stay those prices over the generation. This current management isn't about bang for the buck, $20 select titles and price drops. MAXIMUM revenue extraction from everyone who enters the ecosystem.
 
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We are not looking at the bigger picture here. Things do go up. It's pretty easy for us as a family to spend £50-£80 on a takeaway meal these days. And when you conside these things in the wider context of how long you have these items then the cost is fine.
 
I mean, yeah. Don't tell Reggie, but I'd probably pay double for the flagship Nintendo games, especially compared to most of the "AAA" games by 3rd party companies. Same goes for other insanely high-quality games, like Eldin Ring, BG3, and Astro Bot.

The truth is I will get so much more enjoyment out of a game like Breath of the Wild or Mario Odyssey than I would with the latest Call of Duty or Yakuza games, even though both are still good.

And I'll get just as much enjoyment out of my Switch 2 (if not more) than my PS5, so I don't mind the price of the console either.

Compared to other hobbies, gaming is relatively cheap. You should see how much money I spend on music equipment 💀
 
clarky said:
You think the S2 will sell around the same as the WiiU?

Get real.
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Where did I say that?

clarky said:
Its a proven form factor that everyone loves but this tme with what looks to be great third party support as a cherry on top.

Only WW3 would stop this thing selling less than 100 million.
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I agree. Nintendo did the smart thing by not changing the formula.

Saying that, a large portion of Switch sales came from the casual crowd, including families with young children. Will they be here again for the Switch 2? Too early to say. Look at the 3DS. It sold half of what the DS sold, when it was the same form factor.

I don't see the Switch 2 being as successful as the original.
 
I think Nintendo has benefited a lot from waiting longer to release new hardware. The old system runs so poor and doesn't even output a resolution above 1080 to a tv. It can barely run half the games (first party or not) in the past few years. There's a hunger for a more powerful Nintendo hardware and I think people are willing to pay.

The game prices I still think is a bit absurd but the console price I don't think is given the economic climate and inflation.
 
hououinkyouma00 said:
You're in denial if you think it's not going to sell stupid numbers.
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Never said it wouldn't. I'm saying we need to watch. I know a few folks that were out due to price. It's anecdotal of course but I suspect a few folks are the same. I'm not getting one at this price even though I love Nintendo stuff.
 
Pay the fine.
Murdoch said:
Is this an American currency issue?

In the UK the switch is £425 with Mario Kart. The Ps5 is £479 (disc equivalent) with Astro Bots first effort

Mario Kart world is £67 digitally £75 physical
Donkey Kong £59 / £67

Most of Sony's first party efforts are £70

Unsure what the huge outpouring of rage is about in recent weeks unless the States doesn't correlate to the rest of the world pricing...
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U.S is usually the default in many things like this since it's far bigger and more focused than any other nation when it comes to gaming and other things. Besides some really native focus thing like Wukong in China, America usually gets even more business for a game than the countries the game was made in.
 
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Millions of complete fucking idiots pay far more for a shitty generic iphone every two years and there isn't a word about it. The Switch 2 is a steal in comparison to that rubbish.
 
Switch 2 Lite at £279-£299 is going to clear up.

kawiLo said:
How long till switch 2 OLED ???
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DF raised a valid point the other day.

Are there even any manufacturers producing VRR 120fps Oled 8 inch displays en mass?

Might make Nintendo securing a good deal for a Switch 2 Oled panel very difficult.

Wouldn't surprise me if we don't even see it this time around (or if we do it may be limited to 60fps).
 
It doesn't. I may get a Switch 2 for my son.. Nintendo is his thing.

The console price is stupid. But it's hardware. The last one was on the market for a very long time. I can swallow it.

What I WILL NOT do is buy more than a single $115 CAD game a year. I'd buy him multiple 69 dollar games. But 115? No.

His library is going to be sparse. Damn sparse. Maybe at the end of the generation he'll be old enough to get a job and buy them himself.
 
What does "in this economy" even mean ?
It should be a problem no less than it is for PS5's (new) price, iPhone, or any other electronics that are more expensive.

People buy (or not buy) according to how much they are interested into something and how much they value it.

If it sells, it simply means the price is simply correct.

And I say it as someone unhappy about these game prices, it will result in me buying less games. (HW price is frankly ok)
 
jorgejjvr said:
$499 switch 2? $80 game? In this economy? Should be a problem but consumers show time and time again that they are willing to pay up.

Don't ask me why, but the reality is a small minority may complain but people don't speak with their wallets. Or rather they DO speak with their wallets and what they are saying is: charge me more plz, I'm ready to pay whatever it takes
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Switch 2 is $450, not $499. Mario Kart Bundle is $499. Mario Kart World, separate physical/digital copy, is $80 (industry standard for tentpole releases are $69.99). Gamers have already showed the value of these releases are worth the upcharge since the PS5/Series X/S launches and subsequent resell on places like eBay. Gamers are showing the price is right within their boundaries for Switch 2, and the product appears worth its value at this time. At least for these early adopters.

Further software releases, and the quality of Mario Kart World/launch titles, will determine the machines legs over the short term this summer, and whether the price remains worth the hurdle to jump over. Plus there is a question of whether the camera gimmicks will go viral or not for the social potential it has, being used both locally and online. People are bound to get goofy with it and share it online.

If word of mouth is good from early adopters, kids will be asking for the machine early leading into Christmas.

Fun fact, the Wii was originally going to retail for $199 in the USA, but retailers argued that the machine would be seen by the market as cheap and low value at that price. So Nintendo knocked it up to $249.99 and packed in Wii Sports. The Wii was sold out for years and was reselling for much higher prices on the usual websites, showing that its market value was quite high.

People will complain about anything. Behavior is the thing to watch. Whether it's successes like Assassin's Creed Shadow's, Nintendo's hardware/games, or flops like Dragon Age and Concord. Determining the value of these products clearly aren't as simple as reading a series of social media posts that spam outrage, or even praise. The Switch dynamic is the future, considering PlayStation, Xbox, and Steam are all releasing or developing products to compete in this hybrid space. Indeed, because the prices are so high, there isn't going to be room for everybody in this space. There will be blood. Winners and losers.
 
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Civilization 7 was $100 for the full version.

Avowed was $100 for the full version.

Any sports game is like $90 for the full version with early access.

I hate to tell you OP but Nintendo isn't the one leading the pack with inflated game prices.

You are going to have an aneurism when GTA6 is $150 for the full version and $100 for the base game.
 
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IDKFA said:
Where did I say that?
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Maybe I misunderstood your post:

IDKFA said:
Remember when people thought the Wii U would be a success. 54 million sold in the first four years. How did that then out?

www.forbes.com

Nintendo Wii U Will Sell Out, Sell Faster Than Wii

Research from IHS Screen Digest suggests Nintendo's video game console will sell 3.5 million units worldwide before the end of the year.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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IDKFA said:
I agree. Nintendo did the smart thing by not changing the formula.

Saying that, a large portion of Switch sales came from the casual crowd, including families with young children. Will they be here again for the Switch 2? Too early to say. Look at the 3DS. It sold half of what the DS sold, when it was the same form factor.

I don't see the Switch 2 being as successful as the original.
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Yeah Maybe not as much as the switch that thing was a monster, I think it will still do gang busters.

Maybe the only thing I can see going badly is the amount of first party software. Nintendo can't rely on so many re-releases of past gen titles this time around I think. Then again..........................
 
IDKFA said:
This.

The hardcore gamers and Nintendo fans will be there day one. Always.

The real test will be if the general public will show up.

History tells us they might not. For example, the DS was a hit with the masses, but they didn't turn up in the same numbers for the 3DS. Same thing happened with the Wii and Wii U.

I think the same thing will happen with the Switch 2. It won't be a Wii U flopped, but it won't see the same success as the Switch.
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History shows us that the DS was on the verge of being a catastrophe, in the wake of the PSP. The machine wasn't doing too well after its first couple months after launch. It was the release of the "non games", New Super Mario Bros., and the DS lite that soft rebooted its image to the public and turned the ship completely around. Nintendo was bragging about 3DS out pacing DS when the 3DS launched, but some of us were already saying the 3D isn't doing it, the momentum is stale, and the machine is going to fall behind DS in due time (which it eventually did). While PR was putting that spin on, it didn't take long for the 3DS to see a massive price cut that summer after its March launch. The N brass knew things weren't off to the start they had hoped for.

In both cases, I argue the software was key to making a call for how the system's would do. Software ascended the DS from the pits into the stars, and software did help the 3DS rebound as well, but it never found the crazy momentum the original DS had.

I could go on and on about Wii and Wii U. The philosophies between the two were wildly different, and it was easy to see, with that cheap looking 2D Mario game releasing mere months after another cheap 2D Mario game on 3DS, that the system with the largest pack-in controller would look pointless for the Wii audience to upgrade to, and that the thing would see its momentum crash early. Iwata hoped Super Mario 3D World would help the thing rebound, but it didn't happen. Interestingly, Wii U did see a bit of a momentum shift in Japan after Splatoon came out (would become a pillar franchise on Switch). Mario Kart 8 was the best selling game on Wii U. I think Mario Kart sales are tethered to Nintendo's consoles. If their machines sell well, Mario Kart sells well, as that's the game to always have in the collection. But I don't see Mario Kart quite as a system seller, so it'll be interesting to see the response to Mario Kart World after June 5th. The camera is the gimmick I'm curious to see how the market reacts to. It could be a wash, or the next big thing. Mario Kart World, plus old games like Mario Party Jamboree, and (F-Zero GX?) others are using it.
 
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The console is decently priced for what it does. Game are a bit too expensive, but we can already see retailers selling them cheaper. I am not worried.
 
Banjo64 said:
Switch 2 Lite at £279-£299 is going to clear up.


DF raised a valid point the other day.

Are there even any manufacturers producing VRR 120fps Oled 8 inch displays en mass?

Might make Nintendo securing a good deal for a Switch 2 Oled panel very difficult.

Wouldn't surprise me if we don't even see it this time around (or if we do it may be limited to 60fps).
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The closest would be the screen the new Legion Go 2 has. It's a 144Hz 8.8" OLED with VRR and HDR (500 nits), but it is 16:10 (1920x1200).

Nintendo could make an OLED Switch 2 Lite, though. They could use the same screen that's in the Ayaneo Pocket EVO. It's a 7" 165Hz VRR screen with HDR (it's also super bright hitting 800 nits).

Nintendo would need to order an OLED for a Switch 2 OLED.
 
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IDKFA said:
Remember when people thought the Wii U would be a success. 54 million sold in the first four years. How did that then out?

www.forbes.com

Nintendo Wii U Will Sell Out, Sell Faster Than Wii

Research from IHS Screen Digest suggests Nintendo's video game console will sell 3.5 million units worldwide before the end of the year.
www.forbes.com www.forbes.com
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Not really comparing apples with apples here. The Switch brand is very strong. Just look at the first party software sales.
 
The Nintendo fanbase and hardcore gamers will buy regardless of price.

That's the people buying on launch.

It's getting the casuals to buy it later which will be interesting. They form the majority of Nintendo user-base.
 
tr1p1ex said:
The other reality is 80%+ of the eventual install base are buying a console (any console roughly speaking) after the 1st year. 60%+ are buying after 2 years. ...

So anyone saying they aren't buying at launch means little.
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Seriously. Plus I said it before complain about early adopters all you want but they exist and let you get redesigned/discounted models later on so you can sit there and say "look I was patient and waited and look what I got in comparison hurr durr"
 
Spirit Icana said:
Switch 2 is $450, not $499. Mario Kart Bundle is $499. Mario Kart World, separate physical/digital copy, is $80 (industry standard for tentpole releases are $69.99). Gamers have already showed the value of these releases are worth the upcharge since the PS5/Series X/S launches and subsequent resell on places like eBay. Gamers are showing the price is right within their boundaries for Switch 2, and the product appears worth its value at this time. At least for these early adopters.

Further software releases, and the quality of Mario Kart World/launch titles, will determine the machines legs over the short term this summer, and whether the price remains worth the hurdle to jump over. Plus there is a question of whether the camera gimmicks will go viral or not for the social potential it has, being used both locally and online. People are bound to get goofy with it and share it online.

If word of mouth is good from early adopters, kids will be asking for the machine early leading into Christmas.

Fun fact, the Wii was originally going to retail for $199 in the USA, but retailers argued that the machine would be seen by the market as cheap and low value at that price. So Nintendo knocked it up to $249.99 and packed in Wii Sports. The Wii was sold out for years and was reselling for much higher prices on the usual websites, showing that its market value was quite high.

People will complain about anything. Behavior is the thing to watch. Whether it's successes like Assassin's Creed Shadow's, Nintendo's hardware/games, or flops like Dragon Age and Concord. Determining the value of these products clearly aren't as simple as reading a series of social media posts that spam outrage, or even praise. The Switch dynamic is the future, considering PlayStation, Xbox, and Steam are all releasing or developing products to compete in this hybrid space. Indeed, because the prices are so high, there isn't going to be room for everybody in this space. There will be blood. Winners and losers.
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depends.
Mario Kart bundle switch 2 i 585$ in Poland.
fuck us as always
 
dragonyeuw said:
I think when we saw there wasn't going to be any MSRP reduction in Switch hardware pricing nor $20 select titles, I'm not surprised that Nintendo would push Mario Kart to $80. And it will remain that price for the next decade, barring a random sale that drops it to 60. I mean Nintendo hasn't even given any indication that they'll drop Switch 1 $50-$100 as a budget option to their new offerings.
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Current price points of Switch 1 hardware are their budget offering now...
 
Unpopular opinion and all but it still baffles my mind how Nintendos games can even be considered system sellers. To me most of them are mediocre at best, i just don't get it. I get that children like games like Kirby and MK but come on, most customers are adults and they play what? What percentage of their users are families with children?
 
Even though I'm one of the people who preordered, it's still up in the air how it'll do in the long run. Even the Wii U sold out at launch, but will it have legs for the non-enthusiastic audience is the real question. Every one who preorders is people like us to a certain degree.
 
the console price didnt/doesnt bother me, its the software price. Fuck out of here with those prices and also the fact nintendo refuses to ever drop 1st party prices.
 
We'll see. I think the every-other generation curse might still be on. Of course the diehards will rush in first, but how will it fare once the early adopters get their system?

It's an incremental advancement with no real wow factor. No innovation. Nintendo is pushing harder for sub engagement with... Teams video chat? :messenger_tears_of_joy: Add price increases, game-key carts, etc and there are a lot of reasons for this thing to stumble.
 
Switch was already proof enough. It was a overpriced system in which controller literally broke after 3 months of use. And people made the best selling console Nintendo ever made.
 
Too early to use any of this as proof imo, initial stock was always going to sell out. We'll have to see how it goes when they're 6+ months in.

But iirc the Ps5 Pro has been outperforming and/or matched the Ps4 Pro, so.. Yeah. People like their video games.
 
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There are countless examples that show that gamers are perfectly fine with laying up. There is no group of people on earth worse at voting with their wallets.
 
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