Switch 2 proves consumers are fine with paying up

clarky said:
Maybe I misunderstood your post:
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Yeah, I should have clarified.

I'm not suggesting the Switch 2 will be a total flop like the Wii U. I'm pointing out that analysts can be very wrong.

Any predictions on sales should be approached with caution. That article I posted predicted the Wii U would sell over 50 million in 4 years.

clarky said:
Yeah Maybe not as much as the switch that thing was a monster, I think it will still do gang busters.

Maybe the only thing I can see going badly is the amount of first party software. Nintendo can't rely on so many re-releases of past gen titles this time around I think. Then again..........................
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Nintendo have almost done everything right for it to be a smash hit, except the software prices. That could be difficult in this economic climate.

If the casual gamers turn up like they did with the Switch then it'll be another huge seller. That's who Nintendo need to sell to as that's the customer base who made the Wii, DS and Switch huge success stories.

Mozza said:
Not really comparing apples with apples here. The Switch brand is very strong. Just look at the first party software sales.
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The Wii brand was also very strong.

I was also pointing out that predicting console sales isn't always correct. Saying the Switch 2 will blast through 20 million sales in year one isn't a guarantee.

Indyblue said:
Bold of you to predict it'll sell more than 13 million but less than the most ever.
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I know. Amazingly I'm a analyst in my day job. Lol.

I should have added more context to that. My prediction is around 70 million. Not a flop, but not close to Switch 1 sales.
 
also prooves whats people on the internets says dont matter


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Danjin44 said:
For me it's very simple, it has games I want to play and I have the money to buy one….so I have no reason not to.

There are things that's not worth asking price and for me that was PS5pro so I decided not to buy it.
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Truth.

Its more of an investment based on the JRPGs we know will come to the platform or may come to the platform etc

With PS5 Pro, you need a lot, you need to first even give a fuck about anything 4K lol, you need a better TV to care and with the price of PS5 Pro vs a whole ass new system......even I got Switch 2 before PS5 Pro and I would never say I'm the biggest Nintendo fan and mainly play my PS over PC and Switch etc, but I need a massive AAA IP to make that jump and GTAVI will be it for me, but for right now, that money is better spent on Switch 2 to play the Bravely Default remaster (and its sequels knowing Square's fucking greedy ass lol)

Also the Mario RPG stuff from Ubisoft, Xeno series etc.
 
OP, you mean, the Switch 2 preorders, which don't mean shit, because even the Wii U sold out in the beginning, prove that consumers are fine with paying up?

Very weak, flawed agrument. I'm not convinced, OP.
 
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In 2017 I paid around 550 euro for PlayStation 4 Pro, and pretty much only played MGSV on it.

Gave it away after MGSV came to PC.
 
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I will be "fine with paying up" as well but only when they have a library of Switch 2 only games worth paying up for. There's only a very small handful of Switch 2 only games at (or near) launch, and a lot of them are multiplatform games I already have on XSX or PS5.

Going to let the early adopters go through the early day struggles and get one later when there's a bigger library I care about. 🤷
 
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Rat Rage said:
OP, you mean, the Switch 2 preorders, which don't mean shit, because even the Wii U sold out in the beginning, prove that consumers are fine with paying up?

Very weak, flawed agrument. I'm not convinced, OP.
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ahahahaha almost mores lottery then wii u ltd in jarpan

www.gamesindustry.biz

2.2 million people applied to pre-order a Switch 2 in Japan alone, says Nintendo

Nintendo has warned that it may struggle to meet demand for Nintendo Switch 2 consoles in Japan.
www.gamesindustry.biz www.gamesindustry.biz
 
saintjules said:
So far there's only one $80 game on the launch lineup right? Why are people going crazy over this?
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You know this is just the beginning. If you think this is not going to be the new normal, you are very wrong. Not only from Nintendo, but from Sony and others. But then, since Nintendo is doing $80, Sony can say that PS6 games are more advanced, and start charging $90.

Nintendo just opened Pandora's box to make gaming as expensive as it can be, and people are all loving it. (to get screwed).
 
Rat Rage said:
OP, you mean, the Switch 2 preorders, which don't mean shit, because even the Wii U sold out in the beginning, prove that consumers are fine with paying up?

Very weak, flawed agrument. I'm not convinced, OP.
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everyone needs to keep in mind this user was adamant the switch wouldn't get near ps4 numbers... after it had already outsold the ps4
 
jorgejjvr said:
$499 switch 2? $80 game? In this economy? Should be a problem but consumers show time and time again that they are willing to pay up.

Don't ask me why, but the reality is a small minority may complain but people don't speak with their wallets. Or rather they DO speak with their wallets and what they are saying is: charge me more plz, I'm ready to pay whatever it takes
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The frowns on the faces of Nintendonians when they realize they have been underpricing their product for decades.
 
RCU005 said:
You know this is just the beginning. If you think this is not going to be the new normal, you are very wrong. Not only from Nintendo, but from Sony and others. But then, since Nintendo is doing $80, Sony can say that PS6 games are more advanced, and start charging $90.

Nintendo just opened Pandora's box to make gaming as expensive as it can be, and people are all loving it. (to get screwed).
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Lol I think you're speaking to the wrong guy I think because I never said that it was a one and done situation. I'm just wondering why people are complaining about a $10 price increase.

Yes it will be a new normal at some point, but people going nuts over that when it's expected is just funny to me.

Shit, I hustle on the side for extra loot. People need to get out there and work another job to come up with he $10 increase for something they want.
 
clarky said:
Maybe I misunderstood your post:





Yeah Maybe not as much as the switch that thing was a monster, I think it will still do gang busters.

Maybe the only thing I can see going badly is the amount of first party software. Nintendo can't rely on so many re-releases of past gen titles this time around I think. Then again..........................
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Maybe they'll start reaching further back for re-releases but come up with a quick and dirty method for upgrading them, including to outsourcing the remakes to companies that aren't above using AI to assist in upgrading assets.
 
jorgejjvr said:
$499 switch 2? $80 game? In this economy? Should be a problem but consumers show time and time again that they are willing to pay up.

Don't ask me why, but the reality is a small minority may complain but people don't speak with their wallets. Or rather they DO speak with their wallets and what they are saying is: charge me more plz, I'm ready to pay whatever it takes
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We'll see. Nintendo fanatics were always going to purchase the system regardless of price.
 
I mean, if a system offers what I want at a price I consider to be worth it, then of course I will buy it.

Switch 2 will probably be my primary gaming device for the next 8 years, and if it's anything like the current Switch it will give me countless hours of awesome experiences.
That's easily worth $699 AUD/$450 USD to me, just as my Switch 1 was absolutely worth the $470 AUD/$300 I paid for it in 2017.
 
Tams said:
So just like it was for many of us growing up.

He'll learn to appreciate what he does get and to be prudent with his choice of games/money.
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I think there's probably a happy medium between 115 dollar games and access to far too many of them to play for 15 dollars a month (owning nothing). The whole industry seems like it doesn't even know the value of its own product.

I was buying my own games at the start of the PS1 era. Games felt priced properly.
 
Remember the lady who bought a entire car trunk full of Wii Us to scalp? Remember that nearly 10 million people bought a Wii U.

I'm not saying it's gonna Wii U flop, I'm just saying, between Scalpers, and Nintendies, the console was always going to sell a good launch. I just don't think this "proof" that people will eat up $90. I do think they will, I just don't think this is the smoking gun proof, this was always going to sell somewhat well at launch no matter what.
 
I mean look at cars... People buy 60-80k trucks on finance instead of a $15k used vehicle. Then they complain about $10 eggs
 
Looking at launch or near launch numbers isn't going to tell you much. I would be hesitant of using this as evidence of any long term conclusion regarding spending habits.
 
I like Nintendo games.

I'm an Adult.

I have money.

Yeah, I'm fine paying up for some new and fun Nintendo games!...and I'm from a third world country where the official price for the MK bundle is 730 USD.
 
Nintendo is different. For now. They could lose their good will with the consumer if they release bad games or products. But they are a special case because they have protected their ip and managed it well.
 
AGRacing said:
I think there's probably a happy medium between 115 dollar games and access to far too many of them to play for 15 dollars a month (owning nothing). The whole industry seems like it doesn't even know the value of its own product.

I was buying my own games at the start of the PS1 era. Games felt priced properly.
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Well, the median of that is 65, so 80 is in the upper range of 'happy'. Considering 80 is the upper limit as far as we know, it still seems fair.

I only ever had three games for my GBA, yet still had a great time.
 
n0razi said:
I mean look at cars... People buy 60-80k trucks on finance instead of a $15k used vehicle. Then they complain about $10 egg
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big difference in paying a premium price for something and a generally cheap item drastically increasing in price over a few months,
your car example is pretty bad, a 60k pick up is something like a ford f-250 super duty, to get a comparable truck used for 15 k it'd be a decade old one with 100 k miles, not going to be the same experience, same with buying a lower mileage car for 15k, a Nissan versa with 20k miles isn't the same either.
now granted I don't always understand the thought process of people who buy pick-up trucks for non-ultilitarian purposes, but I don't have to, I'm not the one spending their money.
 
Serge85 said:
I like Nintendo games.

I'm an Adult.

I have money.
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This. I'm not even rich, I've always worked minimum wage jobs, but I bought a couple of Switch 2s (one for me, one for my brother) without sweating. It's well worth the price for the thousands of gaming hours I'm going to get out of it.
 
MrA said:
why? Because other people don't prioritize the same feature set you do in their toys?
it's always been the case that people pay what they think things are worth
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For the same reason it doesn't bother you.
We're different and see things differently. I, myself, personally, think it's gross that people are willing to throw money at Nintendo like this hand over fist.
 
A non-Sony thread is incomplete without Sweettooth and James Sawyer Ford.

I need them to explain how a PS5 Pro has more value proposition than a high end RTX card or a Switch 2.
 
pulicat said:
$499? Dude it's $449.

$449 hybrid device with VRR, HDR, and 120hz screen with 3.1TF performance plus DLSS and RT features.

Steam Deck for example 60hz LCD screen with dock is at $480.

Switch 2 hardware price is unquestionably great with the specs it comes with.
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A console with a Snapdragon 888 paired with a RTX 3050 - 50% cores/performance is nothing to write home or cheer about. This stuff has been on the market for over 4 years mostly in flagship Cellphones that were also gaming capable, now averaging $350 Paired as a combo since 2023. The only positive is it will play Nintendo exclusives with Nintendo's blessing. So yay, Nintendo made a cellphone with a Nintendo dedicated launcher and cash shop. Woopty doo! Welcome to gaming in 2025 big N.
Nintendo Switch 2 PCB Leak Reveals an NVIDIA Tegra T239 Chip Optically Shrunk to 5nm

Also:
Steam Deck LCD: $399
Steam Deck OLED: $549 and it does everything you listed with alternatives i.e. FSR, and OS updates to ver: 3.6+
Steam Deck Official

The one thing I will throw Steam under the bus for is pushing an acceptance that gaming in your hands is a $500+ market now. Long dead is the handhelds of $250-350 (psp/vita DS/3DS/3dsXL). ASUS and others can gargle my balls asking $900+ for a handheld.

I will stick to Game Pass Ultimate on my $250 Lenovo Duet 5 and $100 Xbox Elite Core.
 
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Icymanipulator said:
For the same reason it doesn't bother you.
We're different and see things differently. I, myself, personally, think it's gross that people are willing to throw money at Nintendo like this hand over fist.
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So I assume you only play free-to-play games on the cheapest possible laptop or phone, or you're pretty gross for throwing money at sony, ms, nvidia, whatever actual nickel and diming company you prefer (which is any one saying Nintendo nickels and dimes, is either ignorant and doesn't know what the term means, or as stupid and doesn't understand what it means)
 
Of course they are. It's why prices are still high for various things in gaming, horrible monetization practices continue to exist, etc. if people continue to pay up, the companies are happy, and nothing will ever change.

But it's also Nintendo. Of course people are going to shell over the cash.
 
MrA said:
So I assume you only play free-to-play games on the cheapest possible laptop or phone, or you're pretty gross for throwing money at sony, ms, nvidia, whatever actual nickel and diming company you prefer (which is any one saying Nintendo nickels and dimes, is either ignorant and doesn't know what the term means, or as stupid and doesn't understand what it means)
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What a dense and disingenuous comment. In your rush to prove a point, you've ran right past the idea that you yourself brought up. Different people place different value on things. Paying $80 for a game like Mario Kart is gross , paying $50 for clair obscur expedition 33 isn't. IMO - in case you forget that part again.
 
SiahWester said:
We will see. I suspect the casuals won't pay up.
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Yes. If i had to guess what's going to happen, i'd say this:
  • The lifetime sales of S2 will be lower than S1 (maybe around 100M)
  • Casuals and families will make up a noticeably smaller percentage of the total customers for S2 compared to S1
  • Casuals and families will buy the S2 much later in it's lifecycle, and they'll do that even more correlated with sales, holidays etc.
  • Most customers, including the Nintendo "fans" and "hardcore" gamers, will be much more cautious when buying games at these new prices. Nintendo will make more revenue per game, but the total number of games sold will be less. If the higher prices can make up for that is anyone's guess
  • Despite that, Nintendo will probably be able to increase their profits over the coming 5 years all in all, and they'll continue building their IP across different forms of media (film, amusement parks etc), probably gaining international public recognition and further cementing their image as a household staple brand in games
 
Icymanipulator said:
What a dense and disingenuous comment. In your rush to prove a point, you've ran right past the idea that you yourself brought up. Different people place different value on things. Paying $80 for a game like Mario Kart is gross , paying $50 for clair obscur expedition 33 isn't. IMO - in case you forget that part again.
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You're called people gross for buying something you don't value, You're a hypocrite
 
Brand with huge install base of fans is selling out its new console at launch ... news at eleven.

As long as gamers believe in nintendo first party software they will buy this console, as they should, since its the "only" way to play them.

I personally think its a ripoff because I dont give a shit about mobility and also would never use it for third party games.. so I would be basically paying ps5 price for ps4 hardware to play the eventual first party I liked. For me (and only me) this console has a horrible "value" proposition specially adding the game prices.
 
Bernardougf said:
Brand with huge install base of fans is selling out its new console at launch ... news at eleven.

As long as gamers believe in nintendo first party software they will buy this console, as they should, since its the "only" way to play them.

I personally think its a ripoff because I dont give a shit about mobility and also would never use it for third party games.. so I would be basically paying ps5 price for ps4 hardware to play the eventual first party I liked. For me (and only me) this console has a horrible "value" proposition specially adding the game prices.
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Now this is a take i can respect even if the values don't line up with mine,
 
Jack Videogames said:
Why do people believe Nintendo single handedly changed the prices in the industry? I've seen ps5 games at 80€ since the gen started
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I guess it might depend on if that corresponds to Sony/MS suggested retail price or if it's just the retailer taking a bigger cut for themselves.

We know the actual SRP from Nintendo is $80 for Mario Kart World.
 
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