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Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together |OT|: Fat Bottomed Girls
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While time consuming and completely not user friendly, I have been obsessed with the crafting system. I am still on Chapter 4 Chaos with no falls, deaths, or chariot turns. I just saved
and the three maps involved with here were ridiculous. I barely pulled off those battles with no falls, etc. I am not taking any more chances for the rest of the Chapter. I've been crafting +1 of every piece of equipment for my characters. To be honest, I find it quite addicting. The payoff from upgraded equipment seems extremely worth it!
Catiua
platypotamus
Member
Man last night I had a such an awesome battle. Chapter 2, probably nearing the end. First time I've had a fight with 2 bosses and had to defeat both (
and
).
Due to the shape of the battlefield, my initial plan was to fight totally defensively. Denam as a knight and another knight I have up in front, using rampart aura/phalanx to be a hopefully fairly impenetrable wall, with my other meleers (lizard berserker, rune fencer, and warrior) plugging the gaps just behind them. My two clerics healing, a wizard, and canopus plus female archer lending artillary).
Unfortunately, they have two healers, and it starts to prove difficult to damage them faster than they can heal (LOTS of healing item usage too). Fortunately their melee boss charges, gets knocked back(sideways) by my knight critting him, and breaks through the lines. I say "fortunately" because even though he worked my wizard, he was stranded too far away from the healers and I took him down. My strategy seemed to be working, as I killed a ninja of theirs and one of their other frontline units...
BUT THEN THEY GET REINFORCEMENTS! I didn't even know this could happen, but they start getting a steady stream of "new unit has appeared". Fortunately at this point, the magic using boss gets a little close, so I just completely collapse my defensive formation and charge like mad. I get her down to 11 health before she gets healed back up to 90 something. In the mean time, melee units that couldn't reach her have ignored their knights and beaten the hell out of their casters/healers/archers, confusing their healers on who to focus on. They are beating the hell out of my troops too though, literally at this point all but 3 total units on the battlefield are at < 50 health, and this is including one freshly spawned eagleman.
Then my archer has enough TP for tremendous shot, and she takes out that other boss. It was such an intense experience as my whole strategy changed and the situation seemed to be chaotically spiraling out of control, but I still pulled it off without losing anyone. So awesome I couldn't sleep afterwards, haha.
Xapan
Rosindra? Witch lady?
Due to the shape of the battlefield, my initial plan was to fight totally defensively. Denam as a knight and another knight I have up in front, using rampart aura/phalanx to be a hopefully fairly impenetrable wall, with my other meleers (lizard berserker, rune fencer, and warrior) plugging the gaps just behind them. My two clerics healing, a wizard, and canopus plus female archer lending artillary).
Unfortunately, they have two healers, and it starts to prove difficult to damage them faster than they can heal (LOTS of healing item usage too). Fortunately their melee boss charges, gets knocked back(sideways) by my knight critting him, and breaks through the lines. I say "fortunately" because even though he worked my wizard, he was stranded too far away from the healers and I took him down. My strategy seemed to be working, as I killed a ninja of theirs and one of their other frontline units...
BUT THEN THEY GET REINFORCEMENTS! I didn't even know this could happen, but they start getting a steady stream of "new unit has appeared". Fortunately at this point, the magic using boss gets a little close, so I just completely collapse my defensive formation and charge like mad. I get her down to 11 health before she gets healed back up to 90 something. In the mean time, melee units that couldn't reach her have ignored their knights and beaten the hell out of their casters/healers/archers, confusing their healers on who to focus on. They are beating the hell out of my troops too though, literally at this point all but 3 total units on the battlefield are at < 50 health, and this is including one freshly spawned eagleman.
Then my archer has enough TP for tremendous shot, and she takes out that other boss. It was such an intense experience as my whole strategy changed and the situation seemed to be chaotically spiraling out of control, but I still pulled it off without losing anyone. So awesome I couldn't sleep afterwards, haha.
Basileus777
Member
I've seen a couple of people mention that late chapter 2C battle, and it's worth noting that you only have to kill
, despite what the objectives tell you. He uses an escape stone if you kill the other boss first.
the boss mage and not Xapan
platypotamus
Member
Basileus777 said:
Well, he was a lot easier to take out than she was! He charged well away from those damn healers and she was just hanging out with them in some sort of sick three way of ass kickage.
That is good to know if I have to redo the battle in the world system exploration later though.
ok guys, I hit a Wall
I am in chapter 3 and have to kill some dragons and undead creatures
but that is impossible for me. I can't deal enough damage and I just get killed, over and over
so I guess it would be nice to have some dragoons and/or beast tamer but those classes are all Level1 and because of that useless. and I have no idea how to level them up, every random encounter just destroys those chars
right now I dunno if I even try it again because I have no more ideas how to progress and level some classes
so frustrating
I am in chapter 3 and have to kill some dragons and undead creatures
but that is impossible for me. I can't deal enough damage and I just get killed, over and over
so I guess it would be nice to have some dragoons and/or beast tamer but those classes are all Level1 and because of that useless. and I have no idea how to level them up, every random encounter just destroys those chars
right now I dunno if I even try it again because I have no more ideas how to progress and level some classes
so frustrating
STG said:ok guys, I hit a Wall
I am in chapter 3 and have to kill some dragons and undead creatures
but that is impossible for me. I can't deal enough damage and I just get killed, over and over
so I guess it would be nice to have some dragoons and/or beast tamer but those classes are all Level1 and because of that useless. and I have no idea how to level them up, every random encounter just destroys those chars
right now I dunno if I even try it again because I have no more ideas how to progress and level some classes
so frustrating
Is it a mission where the dragons start passive to you? You can get away with just not attacking them, and they won't attack you.
Also, you just need to equip more Hammers to your party members, preferably 2Handed hammers. They do very good against Beasts and Dragons.
STG said:
Are you using draconology skill? Try that, and also, use blocks and counterattacks. I can't tell how many times my wizards and priests have saved themselves by blocking otherwise fatal attacks.
I am taking a break from the story to just level up a dragoon. I wish he wasn't such a nubile infant at an early level. I have to run him all the way to the back and pray no enemies get to him in a battle.
Augemitbutter
Member
Basileus777 said:
i didn't know that since i don't use guides, but he was pretty much in the way anyway and the smallest problem. the biggest was when you realize that you can't chill in the back and try chasing her down. it was a good fight and i didn't lose anybody by permadeath, otherwise i would have restarted the fight.
Mr. Wonderful
Member
So are Warlocks definitively better than Mages?
Basileus777
Member
Mr. Wonderful said:
Warlocks are basically Wizards who can use draconic magic and get some skills dealing with golems. So if you aren't using golems and don't have draconic magic yet, they are pretty much the same as wizards.
STG said:ok guys, I hit a Wall
I am in chapter 3 and have to kill some dragons and undead creatures
but that is impossible for me. I can't deal enough damage and I just get killed, over and over
so I guess it would be nice to have some dragoons and/or beast tamer but those classes are all Level1 and because of that useless. and I have no idea how to level them up, every random encounter just destroys those chars
right now I dunno if I even try it again because I have no more ideas how to progress and level some classes
so frustrating
I'm not there yet but I would focus on undead guys and exorcise them THAN try to tame a dragon or 2
Yuterald said:
I'd love to know where you're getting all your money from.
Also, just beat the Chaos route and I'm thinking of starting a new save file instead of using WORLD in order to experience the Law path battles in their original form. I'm surprised myself at how easy I seem to be able to let go of a 50+ hours save.
Fimbulvetr
Member
Is it possible to recruit undead dragons?
Unknown One
Member
Yes it is. I got an undead hydra in my party right now.
Fimbulvetr
Member
Crakatak187 said:
With a beast tamer, yes?
*evil grin*
Unknown One
Member
Same skill yes. Easy way to get Hydras to me since some battles in story mode comes in zombie and I can't accidentally kill them.
Masaki_ said:
It's not expensive to craft items in this game. The base materials needed to upgrade better stuff is dirt cheap. Inferior Ores, textiles, etc. are practically pennies. Run the Wildwoods bottom right path a bunch of times with high level troops to get relevant equipment. I've been selling off all the extra equipment from these runs. You can rake in goth quite fast.
Unknown One
Member
5 more glass pumpkins to go then dragon farming again.
Basileus777
Member
Seda said:
There are 53 classes. Though three of them are
just for Catiua
Unknown One
Member
It takes a lot of battles. When I say a lot I mean over a hundred.
Basileus777
Member
Masaki_ said:
It's not a bad idea to do this. Level scaling or no, the game becomes a joke difficulty wise once you bring a high level party back. It's actually why I haven't been playing as much lately, there's little fun in squashing a bunch of enemies that die in one or two attacks and are no real threat at all.
But other than recruiting
Cressida
for an ending that I've already seen on the PSX version,
Basileus777 said:
I never really had any difficulties with the story battles, though, with two exceptions (
Nybeth's first battle and saving Arycelle
Also, I finally got a Lich and while it's definitely more powerful than Wizards and Warlocks, I'm still not sure it'll be enough to actually hurt enemies with magic spells. I mean, has anyone here actually done big damage with magic? I mean, seeing how pathetically weak maic spells cast by enemies are, I have little hope for my spellcasters.
Fimbulvetr
Member
Masaki_ said:
My spell casters are on par with my melee when attacking non-magical units.
Ricker said:
You mean Wingmen? I guess they would help. Gryphons would be nice too.
Fimbulvetr
Member
thefil said:
The game will tell you when.
The more I read about the post-game content and WORLD systems, the more I just want to give up now. It sounds like the developers just completely fucked up how things work to the point where it adds a tremendous load of tedium to play through to get the "true" ending.
- You must be on the Law path at the time to trigger the events, and WORLDing to do the other paths will change the Warren Report to mark necessary characters as dead, which disables the events until you replay the game again on Law.
- Using the world system resets the flag that marks whether you've beaten Palace of the Dead, which normally enables you to skip 25 floor chunks of it using craftable items.
It all seems like a gargantuan pain in the ass. Path favoritism in bonus content has always struck me as incredibly stupid. It was dumb in Raidou 2, that made you play through the Chaos branch TWICE out of the three branches in order to fight a bonus boss and get some extra scenes, but this actually seems worse.
I feel bad for any Japanese gamers that started on Neutral, found out they couldn't do DLC1 or DLC2, so went through it on Chaos, only to be surprised that DLC3 required Law, making them re-do most of the game and Palace of the Dead.
- You must be on the Law path at the time to trigger the events, and WORLDing to do the other paths will change the Warren Report to mark necessary characters as dead, which disables the events until you replay the game again on Law.
- Using the world system resets the flag that marks whether you've beaten Palace of the Dead, which normally enables you to skip 25 floor chunks of it using craftable items.
It all seems like a gargantuan pain in the ass. Path favoritism in bonus content has always struck me as incredibly stupid. It was dumb in Raidou 2, that made you play through the Chaos branch TWICE out of the three branches in order to fight a bonus boss and get some extra scenes, but this actually seems worse.
I feel bad for any Japanese gamers that started on Neutral, found out they couldn't do DLC1 or DLC2, so went through it on Chaos, only to be surprised that DLC3 required Law, making them re-do most of the game and Palace of the Dead.
ColtraineGF
Member
I'm at Chapter 3, and ugh, I'm trying to get through 'that' battle. Specifically, the one where you have to defeat
while saving
.
Every time I do the battle, three things happen:
1.
walks to the corner of the cliff, after attacking one of the enemies with a weak attack.
2. One of the knights moves to
side, blocking off one of
escape routes.
3.
moves to
side, and proceeds to attack, taking off half health. This also makes it impossible to go by
side.
I can never get my units up in time to apply some sort of potion, because by the time Canopus is in range,
is already there
Right now, I've gone back to that forest to try and train against other guys (Story battles are non-scaled to level, right?), and am struggling through the map that has 5 dragons.
Oz
Cerya
Every time I do the battle, three things happen:
1.
Cerya
2. One of the knights moves to
her
her
3.
Oz
her
her
I can never get my units up in time to apply some sort of potion, because by the time Canopus is in range,
Oz
Right now, I've gone back to that forest to try and train against other guys (Story battles are non-scaled to level, right?), and am struggling through the map that has 5 dragons.
Fimbulvetr said:
Okay so I can come back later I guess...this is just like the 5th area in chapter one,I don`t have any wingmen`s or Gryphons yet hehe...
ColtraineGF said:I'm at Chapter 3, and ugh, I'm trying to get through 'that' battle. Specifically, the one where you have to defeatwhile savingOz.Cerya
Every time I do the battle, three things happen:
1.walks to the corner of the cliff, after attacking one of the enemies with a weak attack.Cerya
2. One of the knights moves toside, blocking off one ofherescape routes.her
3.moves toOzside, and proceeds to attack, taking off half health. This also makes it impossible to go byherside.her
I can never get my units up in time to apply some sort of potion, because by the time Canopus is in range,is already thereOz
Right now, I've gone back to that forest to try and train against other guys (Story battles are non-scaled to level, right?), and am struggling through the map that has 5 dragons.
That`s what I am talking about...how come I get that fight in early chapter 1???
Augemitbutter
Member
i've tried out the beast tamer and got a gryphon and octopus. i don't know what to think about them yet and if the unit is worth a spot, since i have to make room for beasts as well now. there are just too many classes to choose from.....
Augemitbutter said:
Octopi are the best class in the game, IMO. They attack at Archer range, with faster RT, bigger MOV stat, with a more useful Crushing damage types, have almost 1.5x as much HP, and have stronger and cheaper TP moves that attack a bigger range. I genuinely think somebody fucked up a value or two for Poison Rain, it is just that much better than any other TP move I've encountered. They have reduced accuracy, though, so you really need to pay attention to calming the weather and watching the accuracy modifiers on terrain.
Okay, I need some help. I totally aced the story battles at Mount Hedon and Banhamuba in Chapter 4, but after that, I tracked Ozma down for the optional recruit battle, and it's like... impossible.
The other guy, Voldis is constantly surrounded by a gazillion Templars, and I can't kill them easily at all. They keep healing him and there isn't much I can do. Arghhhh...
duckroll said:Okay, I need some help. I totally aced the story battles at Mount Hedon and Banhamuba in Chapter 4, but after that, I tracked Ozma down for the optional recruit battle, and it's like... impossible.
The other guy, Voldis is constantly surrounded by a gazillion Templars, and I can't kill them easily at all. They keep healing him and there isn't much I can do. Arghhhh...
Yeah, that stuff kind of sucks. Most of the C4 bonus content is scaled to be the same level as the end dungeon, even though it opens up significantly earlier, and is either time sensitive or outright unavailable in the post-game 'Chapter 5' Coda.
And, hey, if you ignore the battle, you get a hilarious scene in your Warren Report. And by hilarious, I mean hilarious only if you like
wheelchairs
=(
NinajHeartless
Member
Just got this from Gamefly, cannot wait to dig in
Urban Scholar
Member
Hit chapter 4 and um holy plot overload Batman. Not really overload but the plot movement in those few battles and scene following was heavy. Funny to see and read how the war is seemingly circumstantial from certain view points.
duckroll said:So... no hints and tips for me? Only mockery? Is this my fate?! To die alone and unloved on the battlefield because of my lack of preparation? Look me in the eye and tell me you will leave me to die like this! This can't be happening...
You're simply way underleveled in a mission that is "critical condition both leaders". What level are you, exactly? Golems and Octopi are, as usual, best bang for your level in terms of tanking in, throwing shit, and owning face with AoE attacks, but how many of each do you have?