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Tales of Xillia |OT| - Teach me about Bazongas!
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Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I don't hate him, but I dislike him.
Chapter 3 Jude side spoiler:I was cheering for Alvin to kill him.
Leia gotta ruin everything.
I always let Jude lose on purpose. That scene works so much better that way.
StunandStab
Member
This makes all the difference. Asbel was just so damn stupid. I actually really like Jude's character... the only thing I don't like about him seems to be true of all JRPG protagonists: (this is actually a game spoiler, you have been warned)
not only is he incapable of killing anyone, he also prevents his friends from killing on many occasions. So, every time an antagonist needs to die, the story comes up with some other way to get them killed that doesn't involve any of the playable characters, because if they killed ANYONE, even the most evil people in the universe, that would make them BAD.
I was cheering for Alvin to kill him.
Leia gotta ruin everything.
I had to restart that fight so many times just to beat Alvin so I could see the cutscene where Jude wins... it was worth it.
I recently bought 1 of everything in the food shop to finally get this one out of the way. I think I only have 50 food effect activations so far... I think this will be the last grindy feeling trophy, but I still have to get to level 99 anyway.
slaughterking
Member
Does he? Every time he gets asked why he is part of this adventure he pretty much says that he has no motivation or reason whatsoever except for wanting to bone Milla.
I definitely think Asbel is worse than Jude but the reasons I hate Jude are different from Asbel and in that light possibly what irks me is more illuminated. Having said that, I do think Asbel has the more superior voice actor in JP. Takahiro Sakurai baby.
chickdigger802
Banned
I just wish jude is more consistent. sometimes he's sherlock holmes. sometimes he's a jrpg protagonist.
Which I find much, much better than Asbel's horrible plot dragging FRIENDSHIP bullcrap.
KillerMan91
Member
So is this game hard? Just bought this as I haven't played jrpg in ages and it's also first tales of game for me. Wondered what difficulty level I should choose.
slaughterking
Member
Which I find much, much better than Asbel's horrible plot dragging FRIENDSHIP bullcrap.
Sure, sure, I'm not picking favorites. They both suck as far as I'm concerned! I just think it's funny how Jude is basically just Milla's accessory.
Difficulty is adjustable so you can easily start anywhere and change on the fly. Normal is pretty easy though. I'd suggest starting on Moderate. If that's easy, then do Hard.
If you're a veteran gamer then Moderate is perfect.
Yes, that's true. I mean he has a brain as in he is knowledgeable and is capable of thinking logically. He actually brings something to the party.
dakkumauji
Member
I never really had a problem with Asbel's character. A little heavy on the MAMORU but never had a problem with him through my three playthroughs of Graces.
I disliked Jude after part 3 in my first playthrough and really didn't care for him anymore after that.
I disliked Jude after part 3 in my first playthrough and really didn't care for him anymore after that.
KillerMan91
Member
Okey. Thanks for quick answers!
Young Magus
Junior Member
Care to go into detail? He was alright IMO.
The whole point of Jude is that he's a walking genius with a plethora of knowledge but lacks motivation, will, and conviction.
Did you beat the game?
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Well, I'm more familiar with Asbel based on the Japanese version, but yes, it's irritating to see him not get the fucking point after a while. But honestly? I don't mind him... because I like using him to attack and his animations are pretty fluid for a character type that I don't usually elect to use (I'd be using Hubert more often than Asbel). But the arte distribution made me like him quite a bit.
I disliked Jude prior to the part you're referring to, but it ended up being a culmination of things that just irked me about his character to the point of not just caring about him any longer. Thankfully, he's more independent and less naive in the second game, but there was only so much I could stand to take in the first game. With that said, though, I really really like using him. He's legitimately the first MA protag I like using often because his artes connect to each other relatively easily, and even in the second game with its speed nerf, he's really quick and that's the way I like my characters nonetheless.
...yeah, it goes to show how much I care about story in Tales. *shrug*
Young Magus
Junior Member
Yes I certainly did.
Which perspective did you choose in the beginning?
Young Magus
Junior Member
Out of recommendation, Jude's
I do not like Jude because he is very immature and it shows. He's indecisive and appears to be strong but in reality he's not. His views and actions are dictated by those around him. He's not really an individual but more like an accessory as someone pointed out. It's sort of irritating and given his age it makes sense but I still don't like it.
However, what drove me to really dislike him is his reaction to Milla's death. It was heavily foreshadowed that he had no goal or mission or any real conviction except those that are borrowed from those around him. He loses all direction and acts like a braindead doll. Two big problems with this is that Jude himself recognized that he had no goal or felt no purpose without Milla but didn't do anything about it or really self-analyzed himself beyond seeing this problem. My second biggest issue is that when he snaps out of it, it's a huge shock that sort of came out of nowhere. It was an epiphany/character development and that annoys me.
His emotional reaction in Act 4 is just irksome and he certainly gets better by the game's end but he's a dog at best for a good chunk of the game.
However, what drove me to really dislike him is his reaction to Milla's death. It was heavily foreshadowed that he had no goal or mission or any real conviction except those that are borrowed from those around him. He loses all direction and acts like a braindead doll. Two big problems with this is that Jude himself recognized that he had no goal or felt no purpose without Milla but didn't do anything about it or really self-analyzed himself beyond seeing this problem. My second biggest issue is that when he snaps out of it, it's a huge shock that sort of came out of nowhere. It was an epiphany/character development and that annoys me.
His emotional reaction in Act 4 is just irksome and he certainly gets better by the game's end but he's a dog at best for a good chunk of the game.
Young Magus
Junior Member
His reaction to Millia's death was a bit too much for myself as well. When I saw it play out, I know that it was what all the importers were talking about when they said that they have a problem with the character.
For me, I think Jude was fine, especially compared to some of the past main Tales protagonists that had apparent flaws.
The way he's portrayed just feels less offensive to me so he didn't annoy me. His personality and characteristics reflected well for a character in his setting and age. His character seemed to develop instead of doing a huge 180 (imo) like Luke, and he didn't step too far out of bounds in trying to help people like Lloyd.
I've never been a huge fan of the majority of Tales protagonists. They usually end up loud or super naive (which Jude is too, but it feels more in line) or just straight up anime stereotypes. I feel like Yuri and Ludger (silent protag helps in this case lol) were the stronger Tales leads from the ones I've played.
To me, I felt like Asbel didn't learn as much as he should've after all he's been through, but that's just me. I expected after the prologue, he would've made wiser decisions.
The way he's portrayed just feels less offensive to me so he didn't annoy me. His personality and characteristics reflected well for a character in his setting and age. His character seemed to develop instead of doing a huge 180 (imo) like Luke, and he didn't step too far out of bounds in trying to help people like Lloyd.
I've never been a huge fan of the majority of Tales protagonists. They usually end up loud or super naive (which Jude is too, but it feels more in line) or just straight up anime stereotypes. I feel like Yuri and Ludger (silent protag helps in this case lol) were the stronger Tales leads from the ones I've played.
To me, I felt like Asbel didn't learn as much as he should've after all he's been through, but that's just me. I expected after the prologue, he would've made wiser decisions.
In my opinion, he feels most similar to Luke: The obvious flaw that leads to the development eventually. From that regard, I quite enjoyed him. For the flaw given (indecisive, latches onto others), it was done fairly well.
I feel like that was largely the point for much of the cast, honestly (e.g.,
).
I feel like that was largely the point for much of the cast, honestly (e.g.,
Alvin's inability to not betray somebody
The only decent thing Asbel had going for him was his Japanese VA.
You just imagined him as Spinzaku during his Mystic Artes I bet. lol.
Werewolf Jones
Member
Easily, Asbel is even worse than Luke. Asbel's constant indecisive nature was awful.
dakkumauji
Member
Need to post him in his swimsuit instead.
chickdigger802
Banned
is that what women really want in japan? A
untrustworthy
No wonder japan's birthrate is in the shitter.
Women in Japan want people like Gaius.
Especially his final form where he loses his just because.
chickdigger802
Banned
goldfish are popular pets worldwide. I don't see your point.
Hahaha, I think I made a comment to kayos about how I liked Gaius better with his hair swept back.
Spoiler please.
I'm like the most backwards guy liking all these badass male characters.
dakkumauji
Member
Japan likes Alvin cause of his voice. <3
Tomokazu Sugita <3
You know that Xillia 2 would've been the best casted Tales game if it had Takahiro Sakurai, right? I mean... holy shit. It has so many awesome VA already.
chickdigger802
Banned
what is going on in this thread?
what is bazonga in jp?
what is bazonga in jp?
baribo = volleyball.
Werewolf Jones
Member
Has Mr. Cloud Strife ever been in a Tales of game?
robotzombie
Member
Does the Lilium grid system kind of annoy everyone else? Because it seems like the objective mainly is to get artes, and since the grid is the same for everyone, it kind of means focusing on the same stats for each character and following the same general path. It's also kind of annoying not knowing what skills are...
Yes, he was Asbel.
Asbel.
chickdigger802
Banned
yeah... your grid expanded!
That cool move is on the other fucking side that you been slacking off expanding!