Xillia is definitely no technical feat in terms of visuals. I'm not saying it is. In fact, it is very dated. However, I think you make it sound like some of the graphical/visual problems that you see in the game lie solely with Xillia. it doesn't.
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Tales of Xillia |OT| - Teach me about Bazongas!
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Xillia is definitely no technical feat in terms of visuals. I'm not saying it is. In fact, it is very dated. However, I think you make it sound like some of the graphical/visual problems that you see in the game lie solely with Xillia. it doesn't.
dakkumauji
Member
The highest will be a x3 for one type of material.
The lowest will be a x1 when you use something that isn't the current type for that store. Like using bird when it says fish for the weapons shop.
chickdigger802
Banned
idk... there are dated looking games on ps3... but this is a badly ported ps2 HD remaster territory at times.
I guess most games out of japan on consoles do still kinda look like ps2 games, but its not like namco bandai is a small niche studio.
I feel like you're expecting some AAA production values out of this series/game.
AmaterasuOkami076
Member
Tales games always sell in small numbers, the budget simply isn't there for much more graphically. Namco Bandai isn't niche but the Tales series is.
I'd rather have NPCs popping in than longer load times, honestly.
chickdigger802
Banned
Cycle of Tales games
Boys buy Tales games --> Girls watch boys play Tales games --> Girls fall in love with Tales game characters and story --> Girls use money to buy hilariously overpriced Tales merchandise --> Developers rake in more money from merchandise than games --> Developers use money to create more Tales games with characters that appeal to girls and combat that appeals to boys --> Repeat from the beginning
Boys buy Tales games --> Girls watch boys play Tales games --> Girls fall in love with Tales game characters and story --> Girls use money to buy hilariously overpriced Tales merchandise --> Developers rake in more money from merchandise than games --> Developers use money to create more Tales games with characters that appeal to girls and combat that appeals to boys --> Repeat from the beginning
chickdigger802
Banned
I don't even think girls can love a tales story lol.
besides figurines and nendroids and w/e typical stuff, what kind of tales merch are there?
besides figurines and nendroids and w/e typical stuff, what kind of tales merch are there?
witchedwiz
Member
i haven't played the game (it has arrived at my home in milan, i'm in my summer house in souther italy) but surely as far as graphic is concerned it can't be worse than graces f, no? i expect xillia to be on that level more or less.. nay?
Hironobu Sakaguchi
Member
dakkumauji
Member
You forgot to add in: Add a Leon DLC costume and Irony of Fate in that cycle.
Would you believe me if I told you a majority of the profits from the Tales franchise is actually goods and products than the games?
AmaterasuOkami076
Member
Yeah you might as well go all out when you see x3 - unfortunately it isn't all that common. Max shop levels are 100.
chickdigger802
Banned
sure. characters are definitely more important than story or world.
it actually does hurt the game somewhat when pretty much all npcs look super dull and 'normal' compare to your circus troupe
This is every RPG ever though.
chickdigger802
Banned
every jrpg.
well most.
didn't really care about dudes in etrian odyssey.
or in pokemon.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
All kinds of shit. Scrunchies, nail files, clear files, shirts, jewellery, fans, cheering sets, lanyards, cutlery (not even kidding; they sell plates, cups, whathaveyou), food, cushions, the thingys that look like paperclips, rubber straps, Tales of Magazines, TOWELS, etc.
not just rpgs, but even fps (just look at Bioshock Infinite AAA game etc. and they use 2 models for the npcs) and a lot of other games.
working on a better variety of npcs is the last thing they would do in a tales of game if they had more money.
Let's not forget those unofficial doujins.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Good thinking.
It opened in 2011. :V
There's another one in Fukuoka or something. LadyUsada has pics of that and it's full of random nonsense.
Edit. Oh Christ
I collect Genso Suikoden merchandise, but this is just straight-up ridiculous.
chickdigger802
Banned
i just wish... idk, i mean western games tend to have decent enough character models of recent, like mass effect and skyrim, and what not.... or at the very least things are consistent.
Tales games, its just stupid obvious that, hey, that guy is clearly gonna join your party, or is a boss fight.
theres gotta be some middle ground
Tales games, its just stupid obvious that, hey, that guy is clearly gonna join your party, or is a boss fight.
theres gotta be some middle ground
i just wish... idk, i mean western games tend to have decent enough character models of recent, like mass effect and skyrim, and what not.... or at the very least things are consistent.
Tales games, its just stupid obvious that, hey, that guy is clearly gonna join your party, or is a boss fight.
theres gotta be some middle ground
Uh.... not sure how that's any different for ME.....
chickdigger802
Banned
its not like shepards crew look THAT much better than other npcs. Sure they have slightly better detailed facial models, but for the most part, they do seem to wear similar scrubs as other military folks and what not.
i just wish... idk, i mean western games tend to have decent enough character models of recent, like mass effect and skyrim, and what not.... or at the very least things are consistent.
Tales games, its just stupid obvious that, hey, that guy is clearly gonna join your party, or is a boss fight.
theres gotta be some middle ground
You really think Skyrim had good character models? Bethesda is pretty much the worst at that in terms of WRPGs.
dakkumauji
Member
...I really want that Flynn plushie now.
Yes. There's a pillow for everyone lololol.
I'd like to visit that now. I'm not gonna buy anything, I swear.Good thinking.
It opened in 2011. :V
There's another one in Fukuoka or something. LadyUsada has pics of that and it's full of random nonsense.
Edit. Oh Christ
I collect Genso Suikoden merchandise, but this is just straight-up ridiculous.
maybe a pillow. :v
Skyrim, or any TES? Lol.i just wish... idk, i mean western games tend to have decent enough character models of recent, like mass effect and skyrim, and what not.... or at the very least things are consistent.
Tales games, its just stupid obvious that, hey, that guy is clearly gonna join your party, or is a boss fight.
theres gotta be some middle ground
you may be right about ME, party members are similar to most of the npcs from what I remember. I'm not really sure how that is a good thing tho.
chickdigger802
Banned
skyrim character looks like npcs.
consistently bad, but consistent
consistently bad, but consistent
skyrim character looks like npcs.
consistently bad, but consistent
I imagine a lot of this has to do with the fact that equipped armor shows up on the characters in a lot of WRPGs. You're dressed the same as those dudes in the fighter's guild because you're all wearing steel armor.
Although while we're on the subject of character designs can someone tell me why character designers are given so much power in the JRPG world?
It definitely made me hate him less.
They aren't? Nomura is a special case but he has no actual power in FF, at least not nearly as much as people think he does.
I also have it on Elize, they just look like they don't give a crap.
chickdigger802
Banned
I do like jude's hawk eyes though.
he got a good 'determined' look.
he got a good 'determined' look.
RPGCrazied
Member
Probably giving this game a break, so I can play Milla's side, the story is still fresh in my mind. I doubt the story is*that* much different with her.
AmaterasuOkami076
Member
Farming question in Chapter 4:
Storywise I need to go through Milla's shrine to Nia Khera Hallowmont. Is there a better way to farm materials than killing tons of water djinns for Libavius Ores? Or will I have a better opportunity soon? I want to level up the shops as much as I can as soon as I can.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Do it in the EX dungeon in the post game. You get higher-level materials that way.
Just like Sheena's for obvious reasons (same character designer). Actually, I remember a lot of people commenting on how Jude looked a lot like Sheena when they revealed him back then.
chickdigger802
Banned
Do it in the EX dungeon in the post game. You get higher-level materials that way.
Just like Sheena's for obvious reasons (same character designer). Actually, I remember a lot of people commenting on how Jude looked a lot like Sheena when they revealed him back then.
if only jude was judia with bazongas...
there are female med students last time i checked (don't know in japan), so the story would be the same!
dakkumauji
Member
I went the opposite and gave Jude doppy glasses, nose snot and bed hair. At least I didn't have to take him seriously.
AmaterasuOkami076
Member
Do I just load up my completed save file to access the EX dungeon? or do I wait for NG+?
Is it a case of beating the final boss, loading up that save which puts me just before the final boss (but knows that I have beaten them) so it unlocks the EX dungeon. THEN I can do the EX dungeon, and do all the grindy bits and side stuff to get as much Grade as possible for my New Game+ and then beat the final boss again? Sounds like it's gonna be similar to other Tales Games but I just want to make sure.
Is it a case of beating the final boss, loading up that save which puts me just before the final boss (but knows that I have beaten them) so it unlocks the EX dungeon. THEN I can do the EX dungeon, and do all the grindy bits and side stuff to get as much Grade as possible for my New Game+ and then beat the final boss again? Sounds like it's gonna be similar to other Tales Games but I just want to make sure.
dakkumauji
Member
Yes, you are dumped back to the save point before the point of no return.You keep all the goodies you gained from the final boss fight and such. And yes, you can do all the grindy stuff to get as much grade as you want.
No, you do not need to beat up the final boss again to start a new game+. The grade shop option should be available from the main menu after you unlocked it by beating the final boss once and obtaining a clear file.
I have an eyepatch rotated to Alvin's right eye and his swimming hair bangs hiding his eyepatch. This is what Alvin will look like to me from now on.
I also have Jude with half-frame glasses and a baseball cap rotated backwards with his hat hair and alternate outfit. It's awesome. I hope future tales game have this much customization.
I also have Jude with half-frame glasses and a baseball cap rotated backwards with his hat hair and alternate outfit. It's awesome. I hope future tales game have this much customization.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Yep. Just regularly load the file that you create after beating the final boss/watching the credits, and then you'll be back before the final boss. And remember, you earn Grade through titles, so you can keep saving on the completed game save and it'll remember how much grade you've accrued since beating the game. You do get grade for beating the EX dungeon completely. Some sidequests do require you do them before you beat the final boss, so do those first. You don't need to beat the final boss again in order to get another clear save. That save does it for you already, so load it up whenever you want to start a NG+.
It's the same as other Tales games. Just make sure you beat all the fell arms bosses (do this before or after the final boss; up to you) to gain access to the EX dungeon then talk to the dude in the port to unlock it.
It's the same as other Tales games. Just make sure you beat all the fell arms bosses (do this before or after the final boss; up to you) to gain access to the EX dungeon then talk to the dude in the port to unlock it.
Fake edit: Dangit, dakkumauji! (Thanks.)
AmaterasuOkami076
Member
Awesome, thanks for the info. That's just what I wanted to hear
Edit: thanks Dark Schala. That's really helpful. I didn't know the requirements to unlock the EX dungeon. I know I've missed sidequests throughout the game so far, but I suppose I can still get as much Grade as possible before moving on.