More recently I don't recall Xillia 2 having any 'dumb' twists either.
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Tales of Zestiria Import Thread - Turning Legends Into Hope
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More recently I don't recall Xillia 2 having any 'dumb' twists either.
The twist for me wasn't the fact that there was another world but the fact that people didn't have Mana Lobes. lol.
keisuke999
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What did you exactly do for the "fighting with a lot of characters" trophy? And does it include Alisha?
Alisha is not included. For the character use trophy, seems you can just set all characters to semi-auto and play with only Slay/Sorey and get it. Not sure how many fights are needed for that, since I did it the "old fashioned way" (switch to all charcters using the out of battle menu, fight with each character for 150 fights)
If anyone is interested, here is the trophy guide I wrote most of. All volunteer, so hopefully it's okay to put this up.
http://trophies.ps3wiki.net/E3-83-8...-B9-E3-83-86-E3-82-A3-E3-83-AA-E3-82-A2-.html
It took me about 120 hours, but that's because I was writing the guide and left it on overnight alot to make the おやつ　for the trophy... which doesn't actually work.
I would say that now that we know how to get the trophies, it should really only take about 60 hours maybe,
I didn't enjoy ToX2 much anyway. I recall it having a mild one, though.
Alternate dimension Ludger being the girl's father
I don't know what it is, but I enjoyed that twist immensely. I've already seen it a ton of times in different games so it wasn't exactly that surprising but when it happens, it always opens a bunch of fun new directions for the plot to go. Usually the most interesting part is seeing how different the other world is.
I suppose it's the same with, say, time travel stories. Seems like almost every time there's the twist that has the protagonist travel back in time towards the end of the story and interact with past-protag. Like, steer him towards the path that leads to him traveling back, etc etc. It's never really surprising, but it's always a ton of fun to see how they interact.
Unlocked the water Kamui. So far I'm enjoying the game, playing on hard and outside of it taking a second or two longer to kill enemies with rather low HP than I'm used to in a Tales game, it hasn't been that difficult.
Not sure how to feel about the auxiliary systems yet. My impression so far is that it's quite different, in that progression is split up into like six different things that progress at drastically different rates and it feels like a matter of balancing everything so things are continuously leveling up and you're making progress. When something gives diminishing returns and starts growing slowly (or just plain grinds to a halt) you either have to ignore it for a while and focus on other stuff, or make some changes so you're progressing again. It's a jarring concept though when most Tales games have progression systems that are more centralized, more linear, and friendlier to people who aren't into so much micromanagement and want something that's better at working itself out.
Not sure how to feel about the auxiliary systems yet. My impression so far is that it's quite different, in that progression is split up into like six different things that progress at drastically different rates and it feels like a matter of balancing everything so things are continuously leveling up and you're making progress. When something gives diminishing returns and starts growing slowly (or just plain grinds to a halt) you either have to ignore it for a while and focus on other stuff, or make some changes so you're progressing again. It's a jarring concept though when most Tales games have progression systems that are more centralized, more linear, and friendlier to people who aren't into so much micromanagement and want something that's better at working itself out.
While I don't consider it dumb, as someone still playing through Xillia 2, I thought that its take on
the concept of parallel worlds in Fractured Dimensions was distinctive in how returning to your own world didn't simply involve resolving the situation and being sent along your way with everything being okay for everyone, but rather meant essentially committing genocide every time since you were destroying entire worlds to preserve your own
Valkyri von Thanatos
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I can understand people being caught off guard by this, but both my brother and I agree involving the player in the level up process is always a plus. Many times JRPG leveling systems are on automatic it seems, with no perceived agency as far as progression goes. Hearts R's soma leveling system is one of the reasons I think that game has some of the best gameplay in the series IMO. That was probably a simpler progression system though, less room for confusion. Has anyone who has played both Zesty and Hearts R comment on how they compare.
I was listening to it basically nonstop for a few days last week. Its awesome. Dungeon music plays the whole time you are in the dungeon right? Doesn't stop for the normal battle music for fights?
Despite the game being "rough around the edges" I really am looking forward to playing it. Hope whatever technical issues can be worked out when everyone else gets the game.
Yeah, dungeon music keeps playing in battles for certain dungeons like that one.
I like the Air and Earth dungeon themes best, but I like how the Fire dungeon theme sounds like it came out of Wild Arms 5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkV1b97lx7Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2sTGnTqtKw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkV1b97lx7Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2sTGnTqtKw
Finally played some Zestiria. I really like the battle system. A lot more fun than Xillia, imo. Definitely has more of that Graces feel which makes it enjoyable for me. The frame rate not being at a solid 60 didn't feel as bad as how Symphonia was. I knew the camera was awful, but I didn't know how bad it was in 2 player. There were times when both of us would be completely off screen.
The fields were ok. They were huge, but really really empty.
The fields were ok. They were huge, but really really empty.
So is it normal that my level doesn't match it all with the enemies? Example I was level 22 when fighting level 25-32 monsters. Leveling is also very slow on normal.. Guess that is normal? I try to dualize my equipment by keeping the skill points in mind and I don't really have problems in battles (well other than fighting 5 spirit artes user that cast spells at the beginning of a battle lol)
That is what I mean. I guess the way I wrote it sounds confusing. Meant that both weren't 60fps, but Symphonia's fps just annoyed me more.
Yes it's normal, unless you do some crazy levelling the ennemies will always be levels above you.
Shouta
Member
Yeah, that's one of the issues I was referring to. lol
His introduction, reasons, and all that are bizarre at the time. They make more sense in retrospect but you shouldn't need to finish the game to understand that, lol.
Thanks I got it. I mostly played with Slay and Rose during the playthrough, and started playing with Lailah with everyone one semi-auto. Less than 100 battles and it popped up. What a random trophy. At least the "hardest" one is out of the way
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That's only true if you only fight single encounters, which is not a very smart thing to do. Dangerous encounters give a crazy exp bonus and are much more fun. You fight less, but every battle is much more challenging, and you'll never end up under-levelled. I felt pretty stupid for having wasted so much time on normal battles after realizing that you go from getting 50 exp to like, 500 exp per battle if you clump enemies together.
InternHertz
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I'm level 32 right now and I haven't seen enemies way above mine (apart from the occasional purple monster or the random level 101
on the field) until now.
I may have spent more time than you all on leveling though (especially on two occasions where soldiers keep coming). I fight almost every enemy I encounter, more so if I'm in a dungeon.
Helldarf
I may have spent more time than you all on leveling though (especially on two occasions where soldiers keep coming). I fight almost every enemy I encounter, more so if I'm in a dungeon.
Depending on how I feel tomorrow, I may or may not drop the game until the English release.
To sum up how I feel about the game so far. And this is me having roughly 36 hours in.
Story
- There is just no building up for important climaxes. Shit just happens. That's about it
- Characters are likeable. Edna is easily the best and Lailah is just fucking annoying.
Gameplay
- The battle is really fun when you're just wrecking shit because it's actually difficult to aggro and maintain stagger in the beginning of the game.
- Auxiliary systems become absolute shit and more noticeable as the game goes on
- Fields look better but is empty as shit. It's also fucking huge and that's not good.
- Teleports cost way too fucking much
- I absolutely hate how the cities look and how shitty they are.
Sound
- Voice acting is fan-fucking-tastic. I love it. All of them. They are ALL good.
- Audio design is absolute shit. It just sounds very basic and stuff doesn't have umph.
- Soundtrack is fucking amazing. Even the Sakuraba stuff is good. So... yeah.
Visuals
- This game needs AA real bad. Also, the textures are flat and that's not good.
^this post is supposed to sound exaggerated.
To sum up how I feel about the game so far. And this is me having roughly 36 hours in.
Story
- There is just no building up for important climaxes. Shit just happens. That's about it
- Characters are likeable. Edna is easily the best and Lailah is just fucking annoying.
Gameplay
- The battle is really fun when you're just wrecking shit because it's actually difficult to aggro and maintain stagger in the beginning of the game.
- Auxiliary systems become absolute shit and more noticeable as the game goes on
- Fields look better but is empty as shit. It's also fucking huge and that's not good.
- Teleports cost way too fucking much
- I absolutely hate how the cities look and how shitty they are.
Sound
- Voice acting is fan-fucking-tastic. I love it. All of them. They are ALL good.
- Audio design is absolute shit. It just sounds very basic and stuff doesn't have umph.
- Soundtrack is fucking amazing. Even the Sakuraba stuff is good. So... yeah.
Visuals
- This game needs AA real bad. Also, the textures are flat and that's not good.
^this post is supposed to sound exaggerated.
I sometimes wonder if it's a gamebreaker to adapt a teleport design like an MMO such as Xenoblade did it. Especially in games featuring vast open worlds. It's kinda like dealing with MP/TP management, it's a hassle nowadays.
Xenoblade teleporting is better than Zestiria's. Like... way better. lol.
That's what I'm saying, remove costs period and giving you absolute freedom with it. I mean I imagine some of the game design balance is based around the teleports in terms of costs in Zesty. I don't know. Just musing.
I know. I'm saying that even if Zesty's teleports didn't cost money it still sucks because you can only teleport to save points and save points suck in Zesty for teleport.
How is teleporting expensive? It's like 1,000 gald and I'm usually rolling around with like 40k+ Also they have save points near every exit/entrance on the map and before bosses, where else would you want them?
In the middle of the map? Why at just the exits?
It's scaling with your money. I have 800k and I must pay 40k with both blessings for cheap travel equipped.
Shouta
Member
They have saves near most important landmarks as well. That's usually fine actually. I never had problems with it not being one in the middle of the map. If anything, I hated that they locked warps when there was a specific event they wanted you to use forcing you to run there instead of designing the events with warps in mind.
40k? LOL.
keisuke999
Member
Starts at 6%, then goes 4, 2, and at Level 21, 0%.
R_thanatos
Member
damn thank god i'm checking this thread...i knew something was wrong .
@3kaze
40k for teleporting ? now that's insane...
InternHertz
Member
Mh, got
field action yesterday just before going to bed.
Are they really telling me to
? I seriously hope we'll be able to
Mikleo's
Are they really telling me to
spam this on fields filled with a malevolent presence
purify those zones later because exploration is going to be hampered a lot in there.
Wow funny how different everyones pacing is... We were at hour 8 when we got Dezel.
And we also grinded some equipment and levels and got lost in Lady Lake lolI've played 16 hours when I got Dezel. Now I'm in the final dungeon and am at hour 49. And that's mostly main story. Didn't even touch much of the side contentWow funny how different everyones pacing is... We were at hour 8 when we got Dezel.
I always take my time
Shouta
Member
That one is the leas used one in the game.
Watched a full Hi Ougi exhibition. As always I couldn't control myself, big spoilers. However, they're pretty awesome and probably the best mystic Artes since Graces and (although the dual ones in Xillia 2 were amazing). Also (secret hi ougi spoilers)
Sorey and Rose get a dual hi ougi, and it's Ultimate Elements!