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[knkng]

It is special. It will be a hugely popular blockbuster hogging the large format screens that this 'roadshow' was intended to visit. Releasing The Hateful Eight in December was a stunningly bad business decision, and I say that as someone who enjoys Tarantino films more than Star Wars.

Everybody who wants to see Hateful 8 will see it, and everybody who wants to see Stars Wars will see that. This has nothing to do with competing box office numbers, or any other dick measuring metric (even though people in this thread are turning it into that).

Tarantino booked a theater and Disney forced him out. It was a scumbag and totally unnecessary thing to do, and has zero relevance to the amount of money either movie will make. It's just Disney flexing and throwing their weight around because they can.

But if Tarantino thought that he could go up against STAR WARS and win, that's on him. He knew this was one of the biggest movie openings EVER, and yet he still decided to go at them.

Case in point. He's not "going at Star Wars". That's not even close to the issue at hand here.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Look, it sucks what happened. It shouldn't have happened.

But if Tarantino thought that he could go up against STAR WARS and win, that's on him. He knew this was one of the biggest movie openings EVER, and yet he still decided to go at them.

Also, the salt from fellow Tarantino fans in here is getting ridiculous. Don't bash Star Wars because of Disney's decision. Even he said in the interview that this had nothing to do with the people who made the film. They worked just as hard as he did on The Hateful Eight, so don't go bashing it because you're upset at the parent company.

First of all brother you listen here. Is this implication you're implying here that Disney didn't know star wars was going to be big when they made the deal? Tarantino isn't going at shit. They made a deal to play the movie. Disney backed out of the deal because they wanted to play star wars 4 million times instead of 3.9 million times throughout the holiday. Then they extorted Arc.

I bet if they asked JJ abrams he'd say to play goddamn hateful eight.

 

[Diprosalic]

Look, it sucks what happened. It shouldn't have happened.

But if Tarantino thought that he could go up against STAR WARS and win, that's on him. He knew this was one of the biggest movie openings EVER, and yet he still decided to go at them..

how the fuck did he go against SW?
the film opens at the 25th in very few theaters, that's 8 days after SW and he already booked the screen months in advance.

it's not like he launched the movie on the same day and then complains that cinemas prefer to show SW. he probably had that screen in mind when planning that movie and then went and got it.

 

[JimJamJones]

He's not "going at Star Wars". That's not even close to the issue at hand here.

This all happened because his movie is playing in direct competition as Star Wars. If he had held back a bit, this wouldn't have been an issue.

First of all brother you listen here. Is this implication you're implying here that Disney didn't know star wars was going to be big when they made the deal? Tarantino isn't going at shit. They made a deal to play the movie. Disney backed out of the deal because they wanted to play star wars 4 million times instead of 3.9 million times throughout the holiday. Then they extorted Arc.

I bet if they asked JJ abrams he'd say to play goddamn hateful eight.

I completely agree about the JJ part - I fully expect this to be resolved by the end of the week, if not sooner.

Tarantino knew that Star Wars was playing, and Disney wasn't going to let anything get in the way of it getting to the audience. There was always a chance that they could pull shady shit like this, especially against the Weinstein Company. I'm not saying it's right, but you gotta remember this is Disney. Disney doesn't care about the Weinstein Company or their contracts.

how the fuck did he go against SW?
the film opens at the 25th in very few theaters, that's 8 days after SW and he already booked the screen months in advance.

it's not like he launched the movie on the same day and then complains that cinemas prefer to show SW. he probably had that screen in mind when planning that movie and then went and got it.

I'm not saying he himself is going at Star Wars, I'm saying his movie is in direct competition with it. 8 days for a major blockbuster, let alone Star Wars, is nothing.

 

[Diprosalic]

I'm not saying he himself is going at Star Wars, I'm saying his movie is in direct competition with it. 8 days for a major blockbuster, let alone Star Wars, is nothing.

it'll be two weeks until the wide release.
the christmas day release is just for theaters that got the special projector he wants. it was his artistic vision to have the film on that projector on christmas day
and he went ahead and got that screen but disney went ahead and bullied him out for one more insignificant screen (for them).

 

[SilentRacoon]

But if Tarantino thought that he could go up against STAR WARS and win, that's on him. He knew this was one of the biggest movie openings EVER, and yet he still decided to go at them.

He had a contract in place to show off his movie with the theater, then Disney came and forced the theater to break it by threatening to drop SW altogether if they didn't comply, how the fuck are people in this thread pointing the blame to Tarantino is beyond me...

 

[firehawk12]

Disney fanboys man. It's a thing.

 

[Mr Waluigi]

Can't he, like, go to court or something? This is pretty disgusting.

... It's Disney. They can afford the most ridiculously good lawyers in the universe. They could get sued for global genocide and make it out without a problem.


Disney has always been scummy as hell, driving away artists under their label and stepping on other peoples' rights.

 

[JimJamJones]

it'll be two weeks until the wide release.
the christmas day release is just for theaters that got the special projector he wants. it was his artistic vision to have the film on that projector on christmas day
and he went ahead and got that screen but disney went ahead and bullied him out for one more insignificant screen (for them).

That's exactly why they should have held it off. I mean, the people who are going to see The Hateful Eight in 70mm aren't going to see the regular screening if they know the 70mm showing was coming, say, a week or 2 later.

He had a contract in place to show off his movie with the theater, then Disney came and forced the theater to break it by threatening to drop SW altogether if they didn't comply, how the fuck are people in this thread pointing the blame to Tarantino is beyond me...

I'm not blaming Tarantino. I think he's the victim here, and I think he's one of the best directors around.

I just think it was a mistake for him to play his movie at that specific date.

 

[El Daniel]

Listening to the Stern interview now..
He sounds like a total idiot.

1) He wouldn't do a show/series with Netflix because he doesn't know them and doesn't want people to have to stream through a COMPUTER to watch it.

2) He prefers to record things on VHS because VHS tapes don't deteriorate like DVDs and Laserdiscs.

lol

Get with the times Quentin.

 

[Dark Ninja]

He had a contract in place to show off his movie with the theater, then Disney came and forced the theater to break it by threatening to drop SW altogether if they didn't comply, how the fuck are people in this thread pointing the blame to Tarantino is beyond me...

Also if the theater stuck with their contract that just doesn't mean no Star Wars, but no other Disney movie such as any upcoming Marvel movie. They are blatant strong-arm tactics of course they are gonna break their deal with The Weinstein Company. People act as Tarantino sat down and wrote this contract with the theater himself, he's just the one willing to speak out about it.

 

[knkng]

This all happened because his movie is playing in direct competition as Star Wars. If he had held back a bit, this wouldn't have been an issue.

Star Wars is popular, so all peripheral business must cease until Disney gives the ok signal?

I mean, come on guys, it's Star Wars. Just hang back for a month or two, would ya? Does Hateful Eight even have a merchandising campaign? I've never heard of this franchise before, is it also popular? Ok, so we forced you out of a theater that you had previously booked, but come on, you should have known better. Can you even buy Hateful Eight characters on Subway cups? I mean, obviously the movie can't be that important. Just come back in March or something, it's totally cool guys.

 

[Diprosalic]

lol

Get with the times Quentin.

nah, we need people like that.
he wants people to watch his stuff on big screens, movies to be events and have that old school feeling he loved. he has a clear vision for how his movies should be enjoyed, i might not always agree with him but i like it.

 

[linsivvi]

That's exactly why they should have held it off. I mean, the people who are going to see The Hateful Eight in 70mm aren't going to see the regular screening if they know the 70mm showing was coming, say, a week or 2 later.



I'm not blaming Tarantino. I think he's the victim here, and I think he's one of the best directors around.

I just think it was a mistake for him to play his movie at that specific date.

Yeah we should just shut the whole fucking movie industry down and play Disney movies forever. Maybe there are a month or two in between their big releases where everyone will be allowed to show their tiny films.

You said you're not victim blaming but you're victim blaming.

But if Tarantino thought that he could go up against STAR WARS and win, that's on him.

What a fucking strawman and again, victim blaming.

 

[freenudemacusers]

Sounds like Tarantino needs to beef up his marketing on the next one; we need more toys, product tie ins and a video game series or two to rouse gaf to his support. Maybe a lootcrate?

 

[Gonzalez]

Sometimes I still wish Disney was still under the horrible direction of CEO Michael Eisner.

Sounds like Tarantino needs to beef up his marketing on the next one; we need more toys, product tie ins and a video game series or two to rouse gaf to his support. Maybe a lootcrate?

A Battlefront style game set in the Taratino Universe? That sounds awesome. Just make sure that anybody can play it, including your house cat.

 

[Rogan]

It's Disney though.

Star Wars.

 

[Arthr2ShdsJcksn]

Doesn't Tarantino know that theaters are places for companies to display advertisement-adventures for their newest products, and not a place for serious fillms?

 

[Servbot #42]

Disney booked the space months ago for Star Wars: The Force Awakens, which begins rolling out Thursday night. It is scheduled to play at the dome throughout the holidays.

"It's vindictive, it's mean and it's extortion," Tarantino said, alleging that when the Arclight theater chain tried to tell Disney higher-ups that they would be honoring a contract to show The Hateful Eight at the Cinerama Dome, the studio threatened to pull Star Wars from all Arclight locations. "It was real bad news and it fucking pissed me off," added Tarantino.

Insiders say there was never a contract to play Hateful Eight (generally speaking there are never contracts, only verbal deals). TWC has known since advance ticket sales went on sale for Force Awakens in late October that it would not get the dome, but Tarantino wasn't informed until recently.
Instead, Hateful Eight — which held its worldwide premiere at the Cinerama Dome — will play in another auditorium at the Arclight equipped to project in 70mm film. Tarantino's revenge Western debuts exclusively in a 70mm roadshow in 100 theaters across the country before being made available in digital formats on Dec. 31.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/quentin-tarantino-accuses-disney-extortionist-849382

I wonder if this whole thing was an error of communication but Disney doing extortion would not surprise me, remember that german theather story awhile back?

 

[JimJamJones]

Yeah we should just shut the whole fucking movie industry down and play Disney movies forever. Maybe there are a month or two in between their big releases where everyone will be allowed to show their tiny films.

You said you're not victim blaming but you're victim blaming.



What a fucking strawman and again, victim blaming.

Saying someone made a mistake doesn't mean you're victim blaming. I can feel it was a mistake for him to put The Hateful Eight's limited 70mm showing against Star Wars's 2nd weekend, but that doesn't mean he's at fault for what Disney is doing.

 

[El Daniel]

nah, we need people like that.
he wants people to watch his stuff on big screens, movies to be events and have that old school feeling he loved. he has a clear vision for how his movies should be enjoyed, i might not always agree with him but i like it.

We could get a potentially amazing mini series from him on netflix but he thinks netflix is only on computers.

 

[firehawk12]

We could get a potentially amazing mini series from him on netflix but he thinks netflix is only on computers.

He's purposefully releasing a non-70mm cut of Hateful 8, so he's already thinking about what won't work on small screens.

 

[neorej]

The Hollywood Reporter has a slightly different version on the thing:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/quentin-tarantino-accuses-disney-extortionist-849382

Disney booked the space months ago for Star Wars: The Force Awakens, which begins rolling out Thursday night. It is scheduled to play at the dome throughout the holidays.

The Weinstein Co., which is distributing Hateful Eight, spent months trying to convince the Arclight to give them the dome for Hateful Eight, considering Force Awakens is also booked at the nearby TCL Chinese Theatre and the Disney-owned El Capitan Theatre, also premium venues.

Insiders say there was never a contract to play Hateful Eight (generally speaking there are never contracts, only verbal deals). TWC has known since advance ticket sales went on sale for Force Awakens in late October that it would not get the dome, but Tarantino wasn't informed until recently.

 

[linsivvi]

Saying someone made a mistake doesn't mean you're victim blaming. I can feel it was a mistake for him to put The Hateful Eight's limited 70mm showing against Star Wars's 2nd weekend, but that doesn't mean he's at fault for what Disney is doing.

How is that a mistake? It's one fucking cinema, showing a highly anticipated film in a special format before releasing wide and you think it's not gonna be full house for that one week?

The very fact that you focus on that is a telling sign of victim blaming. Who even cares if nobody showed up? It's his choice and it's been taken away by a scummy company.

 

[knkng]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/quentin-tarantino-accuses-disney-extortionist-849382

I wonder if this whole thing was an error of communication but Disney doing extortion would not surprise me, remember that german theather story awhile back?

So it was nonsense from the beginning? God damn it Tarantino, although I can still sort of understand his frustration.

Still interesting to read this thread as a sort of case study. Even in the face of reprehensible actions, people are quick to defend Disney/Star Wars vs the morally correct choice.

 

[JimJamJones]

How is that a mistake? It's one fucking cinema, showing a highly anticipated film in a special format before releasing wide and you think it's not gonna be full house for that one week?

The very fact that you focus on that is a telling sign of victim blaming. Who even cares if nobody showed up? It's his choice and it's been taken away by a scummy company.

I'm not going to argue this anymore - I'm not victim blaming, I'm voicing my opinion about his choice and blaming Disney.

And now it all doesn't matter because, according to the article above, Tarantino was wrong about the entire thing.

 

[Vanillalite]

The Hollywood Reporter has a slightly different version on the thing:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/quentin-tarantino-accuses-disney-extortionist-849382

That's not slightly different.

That's wildly different, and basically paints Taraintino as a liar.

 

[HighResTomato]

...The thread

Poor Quentin

 

[Diprosalic]

That's not slightly different.

That's wildly different, and basically paints Taraintino as a liar.

yeah if this version is true then i'm not really on Tarantino's side anymore.

 

[neorej]

That's not slightly different.

That's wildly different, and basically paints Taraintino as a liar.

Not exactly, as they write that Weinstein informed Tarantino fairly late that this particular venua was not available due to Star Wars being booked there.

 

[gregor7777]

I am quoting this post.

 

[knkng]

yeah if this version is true then i'm not really on Tarantino's side anymore.

Well yeah, there isn't even a side to take anymore. Star Wars had the theater and TWC knew about it all along. Even if Tarantino wasn't fully informed on the situation, as the article sort of implies, then he should have just kept his mouth shut until he knew for sure.

I can still sympathize a little in how it's lame that Star Wars has taken a screen that he really wanted, but if Disney had the agreement in place then it's just tough shit for Tarantino.

 

[Shig]

I feel from a bunch of the counter-arguments here that a sizable portion of people have misread the situation and think that Disney is distributing both The Hateful 8 and Star Wars, and decided to pull one of their own films for another they think would generate better returns.

If that's the foundation of your argument, you might want to know you're building on sand.

Hateful 8 is distributed by another company entirely; The theater had a contract to show a film by The Weinstein Company, Disney said "The fuck you will," and muscled them out.

(Unless that Hollywood Reporter story is legit, in which case, nevermind.)

(Though it is still a pretty dick move that Disney would book all the big movie premier venues in town and essentially shut them off from hosting premiers for a month.)

 

[neorej]

I feel from a bunch of the counter-arguments here that a sizable portion of people have misread the situation and think that Disney is distributing both The Hateful 8 and Star Wars, and decided to pull one of their own films for another they think would generate better returns.

If that's the foundation of your argument, you might want to know you're building on sand.

Hateful 8 is distributed by another company entirely; The theater had a contract to show a film by The Weinstein Company, Disney said "The fuck you will," and muscled them out.

Nope. Not according to THR.

 

[SenorPopOff]

Wait so Tarantino didn't have an actual contract and is just being a crybaby about the whole deal?

That changes this entire discussion.

 

[Dr. Black Jack]

Not surprised in the slightest... I'm sure Disney is seeing so much green, they don't even care.

Perfect. lol

 

[zethren]

He's not 100% wrong, but Disney isn't doing this specifically to screw him over. Certainly aren't going out of their way just to do that.

They want more money. Doesn't make it right, but it's nothing personal. At least I wouldn't think it is...

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Hateful 8 is distributed by another company entirely; The theater had a contract to show a film by The Weinstein Company, Disney said "The fuck you will," and muscled them out.

People also seem to think Taranrino is going out, making deals and hand delivering the films to these theaters...the Weinstein's handle distribution. If they informed him of one thing and another was the case (such as saying they had a contractual deal with a theater when it was only an informal verbal agreement) then it's on them, but it also seems scummy that TWC has known for months it might not be able to show Hateful Eight and apparently didn't inform him till recently

 

[samn]

Even if it's a massive blockbuster it's an incredibly scummy thing to rip up a set contract.

Q had an agreement set all well and good that unfairly got grabbed away from him.



Ya'll are arguing some heavily subjective shit and will go round and round in circles

Disney have nothing to do with the contract that another company signed. They're not responsible for it. They don't have to respect it. They have no obligation to give a theatre better terms just because that theatre chose to make a separate agreement. Otherwise every theatre would be signing contracts with the Weinsteins just to give themselves the upper hand at the bargaining table with Disney.

 

[Skyrim]

It is special. It will be a hugely popular blockbuster hogging the large format screens that this 'roadshow' was intended to visit. Releasing The Hateful Eight in December was a stunningly bad business decision, and I say that as someone who enjoys Tarantino films more than Star Wars.

Infinity Ward was asked why are they releasing Modern Warfare next to Halo. It was a bad decision.
The rest is history

 

[inner-G]

Crazy Tarantino fans should show up and take katanas to the screen when the Star Wars intro starts

 

[True Savior]

Some of the replies here are scary. That someone actually stands next to Disney in this situation and their blackmailing...goddamn.

 

[mullet2000]

Listening to the Stern interview now..
He sounds like a total idiot.

1) He wouldn't do a show/series with Netflix because he doesn't know them and doesn't want people to have to stream through a COMPUTER to watch it.

2) He prefers to record things on VHS because VHS tapes don't deteriorate like DVDs and Laserdiscs.

In general I like Tarantino's weirdness and passion but in what world do vhs tapes not deteriorate?

 

[The Kree]

Some of the replies here are scary. That someone actually stands next to Disney in this situation and their blackmailing...goddamn.

Lemmings.

 

[ProudCanuck]

The Hollywood Reporter has a slightly different version on the thing:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/quentin-tarantino-accuses-disney-extortionist-849382

So this was all a marketing ploy for publicity for the movie in the face of Star Wars

 

[SenorPopOff]

Infinity Ward was asked why are they releasing Modern Warfare next to Halo. It was a bad decision.
The rest is history

Key difference here being that the purchase of Halo does not prevent one from simultaneously purchasing Modern Warefare. If Star Wars is playing at 8pm on any particular screen Hateful Eight cannot be shown at 8pm on that screen.

 

[Chariot]

Crazy Tarantino fans should show up and take katanas to the screen when the Star Wars intro starts

Distasteful.

 

[Can Crusher]

A bunch of scumbags.

 

[afternoon delight]

But don't try and act like that trash Pulp Fiction is better than Empire Strikes Back or Revenge of the Sith.

 

[JimJamJones]

So this was all a marketing ploy for publicity for the movie in the face of Star Wars

If it was, it worked.

The Hollywood Reporter has a slightly different version on the thing:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/quentin-tarantino-accuses-disney-extortionist-849382

Deadline is reporting something similar

However, many sources tell Deadline that Disney secured the Dome months ago to play the Force Awakens through the holidays. This was further reflected in the fact that the Dome was an option to prospective Force Awakens ticket buyers when they went on sale on Oct. 19. Apparently, Tarantino only recently learned about the booking situation and decided to voice his protest on Stern. Tarantino owns and programs the New Beverly Cinema, a renowned revival house in Los Angeles.