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Team Fortress 2 |OT3| - Murder-based Hat Simulator
- Thread starter Yeef
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I'm not sure what that has to do with your original statement. You were complaining about Valve nerfing the pyro in the beta when they've actually buffed the pyro. he still does less damage than he did at launch (by about 6%), but he also didn't have an airblast at launch.Anony said:
Good games last night, even if I did get kicked in the middle of it. 
Practicing, turning off mouse acceleration, upping my sensitivity to six (low sensitivity just feels awkward to me, espcially since I have limited desk room and like to quick 180 to check for spies), and changing to a smaller crosshair definitely have helped my aim, but I still have a long way to go. I played pretty well last night, I can definitely see the improvement since I first started playing Scout seriously.
Noticed I'm being a bit too conservative with my milk, a few times I held onto it for "later" when it could have saved me. Still, it's been amazing and helped me get out of some sticky situations at full health.
I do my best to always chase after spies who I suspect have DR'ed (any spy that dies :U). Sometimes they actually have died and I (obviously) never find them, sometimes I lose the trail and they get away (still took the nearby health, so at least they have to run around looking for some), but when I succesfully track them, steal the health and ammo, milk them, force them to pop a second time, track them once again, and finish them off it feels good.
More often than not one or two occurs, but that just makes it all the sweeter.
Thanks for the advice, Yeef. My tea was boiling, so I had to leave and take care of that.
Practicing, turning off mouse acceleration, upping my sensitivity to six (low sensitivity just feels awkward to me, espcially since I have limited desk room and like to quick 180 to check for spies), and changing to a smaller crosshair definitely have helped my aim, but I still have a long way to go. I played pretty well last night, I can definitely see the improvement since I first started playing Scout seriously.
Noticed I'm being a bit too conservative with my milk, a few times I held onto it for "later" when it could have saved me. Still, it's been amazing and helped me get out of some sticky situations at full health.
Kuro Madoushi said:
I do my best to always chase after spies who I suspect have DR'ed (any spy that dies :U). Sometimes they actually have died and I (obviously) never find them, sometimes I lose the trail and they get away (still took the nearby health, so at least they have to run around looking for some), but when I succesfully track them, steal the health and ammo, milk them, force them to pop a second time, track them once again, and finish them off it feels good.
More often than not one or two occurs, but that just makes it all the sweeter.
Yeef said:
Thanks for the advice, Yeef. My tea was boiling, so I had to leave and take care of that.
Yes, I drink tea.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
I do wonder if there's a balanced way to make pyro more offensive.
Long range useless
Midrange no advantage
Close range easily countered and isn't as strong as it should be
That said, the class has to be better yhan derpers running around and spraying cause they can't aim.
Long range useless
Midrange no advantage
Close range easily countered and isn't as strong as it should be
That said, the class has to be better yhan derpers running around and spraying cause they can't aim.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
Member
I still remember when the pyro got the flare gun and everyone cried as if the class were just made into a god. "But that's supposed to be their weakness!"
It's definitely his channel... I still remember watching this, and then gaining sympathy to Kuro's cause. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJWm8X6PBQYCloudius12 said:
The Omega Man
Member
Kuro Madoushi said:
but he has a freaking flame thrower people should die against the pyro on a 1:1 close encounter, right now the other classes can easily kill the pyro or just safely retreat while burning to the nearest health pack, flame thrower should definitely do more damage, however to prevent W + m1'ing a group of enemies and killing them all, flame thrower damage should decrease the more people you set on fire at the same time.
I still think the Degreaser gives to much utility compared to damage lost. Maybe change the -10% to a -25% (So it does about 11% less damage then it does now). Maybe I value the Utility more then Valve does though. I would hate it if the weapon switch time was fiddled with though.Yeef said:
Weapon switch speed is just one of those variables that shouldn't be messed with, like minigun spinup time. Changing them has never done anything good for the game.
If they want to do something worthwhile for pyros, give them the Attendant set's +10% movement speed as a baseline effect so they can catch people and get in and out of combat more easily.
If they want to do something worthwhile for pyros, give them the Attendant set's +10% movement speed as a baseline effect so they can catch people and get in and out of combat more easily.
divisionbyzorro
Member
I played around with the Attendant set for the first time today. The added speed was amazing, and yet the added bullet damage really did suck. I haven't decided whether I really like it or not; I used to be able to barely hold my own against Scouts and now they all wreck me...
Azure Dream
Member
Not that I'm a fan of Demo melee's priority anymore, but 8:28 was a pretty clear case of "You should be dead by this point." He's firing maybe a quarter of a second before the Demo reaches him, and he still has enough time to throw up his Super Armor and survive a direct critical charge attack.Proven said:
Maybe the DR's initial damage soaking capabilities should ramp up over time, so you can't keep flipping up and down the watch constantly and have perfect defense. It will still work against weaker hits at first, but doesn't protect at 90% resistance until you've had it up for a few seconds. So if you want to stab or take potshots at people, you have to give up that safety net temporarily.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
what the hell?!?!??!
I know my attendant was lvl 100, and now it's 21???/??
I know my attendant was lvl 100, and now it's 21???/??
Ideally if a Pyro catches you off guard, they should win. This can happen if you use the Axtinguisher, but as we all know melee can be janky and if the enemy is just a little bit out of range, Pyro is useless and you are swinging wildly as a soldier pop shots you. Airblasting can be random at times and while some Pyros are pretty good at trapping opponents in a corner and finishing them off, not every map has tight corridors to take advantage of this.
They should either give the Pyro:
Damage buff
Afterburn buff/harder to get rid off/ more distracting visual effect
Speed buff (105% would be great to track down the slower, more deadlier classes yet still give Scouts and Medics room to escape and survive)
A shotgun that catches people on fire and the afterburn causes supercrits
They should either give the Pyro:
Damage buff
Afterburn buff/harder to get rid off/ more distracting visual effect
Speed buff (105% would be great to track down the slower, more deadlier classes yet still give Scouts and Medics room to escape and survive)
A shotgun that catches people on fire and the afterburn causes supercrits
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
nope when i first crafted it it said lvl 100Drkirby said:
Grimm Fandango
Member
Kuro Madoushi said:
Looks like Valve has had enough of your shenanigans.
btw add me to your friend's list you bum. Full at the moment.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Lotta people to troll D:Grimm Fandango said:
CornBurrito
Member
Forkball said:
No lie. I've caught Heavies off guard before and they still kill me before I kill them. Their spinup time is way too fast.
Which reminds me, I was playing Heavy for the first time in like a year the other day, and realized that if the spin up speed is debuffed, they'll need a better secondary than a shotgun for most engagements. But as long as they're using their minigun less often and people have more of a chance against them, I'm guessing people will be happy, right?
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Get closer to them before attackingObsessed said:
SteveWinwood
Member
Forkball said:
Back when I was actually good at this game heavy shotgun was always a significant part of my kills. Its a good way to close distance on people outside of your normal range, as well as to get kills on people that are at less than full health trying to run around a corner or something since it does a nice big burst of damage instead of sustained damage.
Get closer. Actually, get on them. Literally. Stand on them.Obsessed said:
If you catch a heavy off guard you should win assuming he's not overhealed or pocketed. A quick ignition, axstinguisher hit then a shotgun blast will do over 300 damage in a fraction of a second (assuming degreaser). A backburner should also take him out pretty quickly from behind.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Master n0b agrees.n0b said:
Listen up you corny burrito!
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Two seconds of an avg player firing...not two seconds of kirby firingDrkirby said:
The Omega Man
Member
that's the thing, good pyros have adapted, they know they have to: quick-switch weapons, juggle, move, use the element of surprise,etc etc etc, etc.Yeef said:
however no other class have to master so many shenanigans to be effective.
Grimm Fandango
Member
The Omega Man said:
This is why I love the Reserve Shooter. So fun to pop dudes up then blast them.
You said a backburner should take him out quickly from behind. This is not the case. Unless 2 seconds is quick for you. That method is using more then just the backburner, and in fact is best with the Degreaser.Yeef said:
I think I am going to go back to Attendant Pyro for a while, I just really like the speed boost. Does mean I am stuck with the Powerjack though, but the shotgun tends to be enough for most classes.
SteveWinwood
Member
Oh lemme see if people are playing tf2 yet... Nope. I'll play some Binding of Issac.
30 mins later: Oh announcements! Check server info: 24/24...
Goddammit.
30 mins later: Oh announcements! Check server info: 24/24...
Goddammit.
Drkirby said:
- You are wrong. Backburner does 460~ damage per second from behind (where it crits). That's enough to killed a heavy in less than a second, even accounting for lifetime falloff. There's no need for two seconds of continuous fire. You can see a convenient example here.
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Yeef said:
Professor Beef
Banned
Tell Boney to stop making fun of my point count, I am a lowly Medic.
Grimm Fandango
Member
The jank won
SteveWinwood
Member
Even 4.0 can't defeat it.
GruntOfAction
Member
Love how nobody responds in the server to my spray, but the second I start opening crates people go nuts.
Brrt! I already mentioned that.
Also, if you're catching the heavy off guard you should be at point blank or near point blank, which means the vast majority of particles, if not all, will hit. Only silly [bad] pyros start flaming when they're out of range and undetected.
Try again, Kirby!
Yeef said:
Also, if you're catching the heavy off guard you should be at point blank or near point blank, which means the vast majority of particles, if not all, will hit. Only silly [bad] pyros start flaming when they're out of range and undetected.
Try again, Kirby!
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Dunno who that medic was on Steel, I might have to dl that demo. For some reason, my replay won't save???? Something to do with the Direct Hit.
edit: ugh...so tired tonight. I played while hopped up on some Nyquil. Maybe it's the secret to direct hit?!