divisionbyzorro
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This is the truth of it. Once you don't have to download the map, you love it.
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Team Fortress 2 |OT3| - Murder-based Hat Simulator
- Thread starter Yeef
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This is the truth of it. Once you don't have to download the map, you love it.
Acerac
Banned
Oh yeah, sure love all the 5CP maps they keep adding. We totally need more of them. -_-
Togglesworlh
Banned
Better than payload.
http://tf2.gafserver.com/tf/maps
http://flashgot.net/
http://www.downthemall.net/
Laziness is your only excuse!
Togglesworlh
Banned
yeeeeeeeeep that kind of stuff why i quit playing tf2 "forever" over a year ago (obviously i have come back since)
Acerac
Banned
Maybe on an organized server.
Togglesworlh
Banned
I'm not sure what you're trying to say, since unorganized servers are where payload is the worst. On a server where people actually know how to fucking play the game, payload can actually be not terrible.
Acerac
Banned
As is 5cp.
Professor Beef
Banned
*slap*
Togglesworlh
Banned
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
It is still 2011 Comissar. Try again!
Dreams-Visions
Member
Happy [almost] New Year, guys!
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Maybe he's in Asia? Would explain his ping...
The main reason some people like payload and I despise it is because it is a simple one dimensional game type. Blue just spams down a hallway trying to reach it by the end of the timer while Red spams back trying to stop blue. Those tactics never change. You do the same thing every time. Most payload maps are designed with this philosophy in mind: simple corridors with a couple of different vantage points to spam from.
5cp on the other hand requires constant strategy. No longer does one team attack and one defend: now both teams do both tactics. You get stalemates because people still try to use the payload strategy of "uncoordinatedly throw spam at them until they're pushed back", which doesn't work as well when both teams are doing it. Both teams just cancel each other out and get stuck until one finally overpowers the other. To be successful at 5cp you need to analyze the situation and time your moves. Should we weather this push, maybe pop uber, and then push ourselves while they regroup? Should we attack as one push, or divide and conquer?What's our medic's uber at, what's their medic's uber at? A lot of thought goes into every move, and it does take some practice to get used to. But once you understand how the mode works and what you should be doing when every match becomes varied and every moment is tense and exciting.
There's a reason Valve has 5cp listed as an "advanced mode": it takes some thought.
5cp on the other hand requires constant strategy. No longer does one team attack and one defend: now both teams do both tactics. You get stalemates because people still try to use the payload strategy of "uncoordinatedly throw spam at them until they're pushed back", which doesn't work as well when both teams are doing it. Both teams just cancel each other out and get stuck until one finally overpowers the other. To be successful at 5cp you need to analyze the situation and time your moves. Should we weather this push, maybe pop uber, and then push ourselves while they regroup? Should we attack as one push, or divide and conquer?What's our medic's uber at, what's their medic's uber at? A lot of thought goes into every move, and it does take some practice to get used to. But once you understand how the mode works and what you should be doing when every match becomes varied and every moment is tense and exciting.
There's a reason Valve has 5cp listed as an "advanced mode": it takes some thought.
oh shut up
I will enlighten you whether you want it or not!
Seriously, the best way to understand 5cp is to play 5cp. It take a bit, but it's fun once you understand.
Dreams-Visions
Member
a lot of that same strategy can go into Payload as well. Suppression strategies, spy infiltration (and sniper neutralization), engie sentry/dispencer/teleporter planning, scout recon, etc. Instead, most games devolve into spamming and matches are won or lost based on someone getting on a roll or everyone looking at the clock and realizing that something needs to be accomplished asap. There is little coordination in casual games for a number of reasons, and tbh casual PC gaming has always been this way. GAFers talk more than most and even we do VERY little in terms of creating or executing plans.
Enhanced strategy in our casual games could be fun, but people would have to be committed to communicating AND we'd have to suspend all-talk, which I doubt people would be willing to do. It's no fun calling out "Spy Pyro!" when the spy pyro can hear you.
But no, nothing you mentioned is exclusive to 5cp.
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
I just crafted the most worthless coupon you can possibly get. 10% off a Valve game. ;_;
Dreams-Visions
Member
I only got a couple of random games. X3 Gold and some other junk.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/ajreynol/inventory#753?snr=1_holidaysale_4_
I don't even know what most of that stuff is, though I'm glad I have Psychonauts. that game is win.
This has less to do with payload as a mode and more to do with map design. Dustbowl has the same problem, but like 9 times as bad. The issue is that a lot of payload maps are fashioned after dustbowl (which is the worst map in the game). Payload maps like Thunder Mountain and Upward don't have that problem nearly as much.
Togglesworlh
Banned
ArtistDude88
Member
Dr. Pangloss
Member
Would be neat if you could use the coupons in the Mann Co. Store.
SteveWinwood
Member
I thought about that... Would make valve shittons of money.
Mr. Luchador
Member
Store is.. closed?
Grimm Fandango
Member
Technosteve
Banned
heery nu Yeef everyone, Dota 2 has me now.
I give you the greatest TF2 killcam ever. I tweaked it a bit in photoshop--though the orignal is pretty awesome on its own.
Original image: http://i.imgur.com/RK7MF.jpg
Original image: http://i.imgur.com/RK7MF.jpg
While I like 5cp, the fact that it's a push/pull gametype is what often makes it harder to play on servers where the average team doesn't build five level 3 sentries. KotH is also a push/pull gametype, and works mostly because it makes it plumb fucking easy for both sides to figure out when they should push and when they should defend, and if they fuck that up the point still goes back and forth and and there's no chance for stalemates.
Above that are the parallel gametypes, which take even more coordination to be played right as you have to have constant offense and defense at the same time, and both have to be very decent to beat the other team's offensive and defensive lineups. Outside of map design, this is the primary reason why CTF and PLR are two of the least liked game modes; just getting people to understand the underlying mechanics of 5cp is hard enough as it is.
The only mode I really dislike is Arena and TC. Both need some mechanics changed (and in the case of TC, new maps) in order to avoid just devolving into pure deathmatch or stalemates all the time.
I've always wondered what it'd be like to have a TC map where you have one big round... All four points would be open all at once. Each one captured by a team would give that team advantages that they can lose if it was lost to the other team. Something like a back and forth Steel.
Yes! Wait until tomorrow when I might be on!
Above that are the parallel gametypes, which take even more coordination to be played right as you have to have constant offense and defense at the same time, and both have to be very decent to beat the other team's offensive and defensive lineups. Outside of map design, this is the primary reason why CTF and PLR are two of the least liked game modes; just getting people to understand the underlying mechanics of 5cp is hard enough as it is.
The only mode I really dislike is Arena and TC. Both need some mechanics changed (and in the case of TC, new maps) in order to avoid just devolving into pure deathmatch or stalemates all the time.
I've always wondered what it'd be like to have a TC map where you have one big round... All four points would be open all at once. Each one captured by a team would give that team advantages that they can lose if it was lost to the other team. Something like a back and forth Steel.
Yes! Wait until tomorrow when I might be on!
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Happy New Year fellas.
I was doing very well as sniper tonight. I don't know what that was about.
Alternately, I wish I had teammates that would pay attention more and understood how their classes work. I got dominated by Tenck on Gold Rush because our three pyros weren't spy checking. Worse still, I was standing in front of a friendly pyro, on fire, calling for help about 6 times and he just let me burn to death ;(
Alternately, I wish I had teammates that would pay attention more and understood how their classes work. I got dominated by Tenck on Gold Rush because our three pyros weren't spy checking. Worse still, I was standing in front of a friendly pyro, on fire, calling for help about 6 times and he just let me burn to death ;(
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
Some pyros just want to watch the world burn.
Dreams-Visions
Member
it's down to 5-6 keys (~$10). if you had sold it 3 or 4 days ago, you could have gotten an Unusual for it. or a number of buds. people thought it would be the next HOUWAR. nope.avi. It may stay at that price. It may drop further. who knows.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I don't disagree in concept, but Buds aren't that rare. They're just popular and they decided to use them as currency. There are lots of items that are more rare than buds, but are worth significantly less.
divisionbyzorro
Member
They also get hoarded, which artificially increases their rarity.
Good times Yeef. We should get together again and do this more often.
Artist also got a nice screenshot of me on Gold Rush after I backstabbed him.
SteveWinwood
Member
May the coming year be full of hats for you all!
Happy new year tf2 gaf!
Fuck I'm drunk.
Happy new year tf2 gaf!
Fuck I'm drunk.
I had this idea where if if I could blow several thousand dollars, I would secretly buy all the Max's Heads in the game. Then I would delete all but one, and reveal it to everyone. People would go insane. Hell, I might delete all of them just to see what Valve would do. Would they really let someone delete every single one even if they were obtained legitimately through trading? A huge hypothetical, but it would definitely be an amusing situation.