WULFER said:This board is going to have a meltdown if M$ is the leader next gen. There is so much we don't know yet. Price of the systems, launch date, games are starting to take some form. Some of you seem to think that there is nothing M$ can do to change it's fate in Japan. Well let's throw this out there: A slick looking system like the PSP, $249 - 199 price tag and HD-DVD drive. I would think a this point DVD forum members would want to get a leg up on Blue-ray. That would be pretty good I would think. XBL is already ready to go and nice launch lineup (which appears to be happening NFS, Madden Etc..) I'm sorry but, I don't think even Japan could turn this deal away.
mumu said:Anyone who believes Madden 2006 is gonna look like that is a fool. I'm also waiting for the first game to hit 1 BILLION DOLLAR development costs.
Moegames said:..we are gonna see that kind of leap this gen if not bigger simply because of pixel shaders, normal mapping,light sourcing,etc are just now getting into the scene...which these newer graphical effects really bring things into near photorealisim.
Easy there, i believe that constitutes a violation of the TOSMoegames said:your an idiot sir!
mumu said:Easy there, i believe that constitutes a violation of the TOSMore seriously, the ony thing i believe from that pic is the face of the player on the ground. That looks totally believeable to me. The 1 billion grass straws? No. The cloth simulation? No. The realstic water particles flying around? Probably. The ultra high res textures? Probably. The high poly models? Probably not. The lightning/shadows? Maybe. The general polish of the scene including motion blur, which basically looks like spiced up and cleaned in post production? No. Smooth animation? No.
Even if all of this were possible, here comes the kicker: ALL of that in real time? No.
Sure is, and i guess we'll know soon enoughMoegames said:everyone is entitled to their own opinion
mumu said:Sure is, and i guess we'll know soon enoughAnd lets assume for a moment those are real PS3/XBOX2 graphics. I really worry about the animation then, there is really no way the almost photorealistic graphics are gonna be paired with smooth life like animation. IMO that's gonna be a problem seeing almost real looking humans move like stiff puppets.
DopeyFish said:Why would you worry? Animation is done on the CPU, not the GPU. Remember how powerful both CPUs are going to be for X2/PS3. They are both going to be outclassing high end PCs by a significant margin.
mumu said:Not because of lack of power, because of all the work that needs to be put into it. Even in hand animated CGIs the animation is often lacking, and it probably won't be even close to that in games. I'm not satisfied with smooth predefiened animation paths. With graphics like that i want the player to be able to move all his body parts in all possible type of ways, not only move his arm up and down, but twist it around and what not. All smoothly and life-like. Not just some simple skeleton system with only a few joints.
Maybe i'm crazy or sth. but i think with life like graphics life like animation is mandatory. With the graphics we got know animation is not so much of a problem because we know the character isn't real. But when we see characters looking like persons move like puppets sth. is gonna trigger in our brain and tell us: Wait a minute, that's not how it's supposed to look like!
Yes they would that's why Xenon kits have been out since last year.Games w/ that level of detail would take a whole lot longer to develop me thinks.
WULFER said:Yes they would that's why Xenon kits* have been out since last year.
Why? Is these pics confirmed to be running off of PS3? I'm sure it's mutiplatform meaning these exact games would look just about the same on Xenon and Revolution...remember, EA is a 3rd party for as much as it's up Sony's ass.MrSingh said:well I guess MS should cancel Xenon! It's all over for them already!
DCX said:Why? Is these pics confirmed to be running off of PS3? I'm sure it's mutiplatform meaning these exact games would look just about the same on Xenon and Revolution...remember, EA is a 3rd party for as much as it's up Sony's ass.
DCX
Screenboy said:*Note - not finalised Xenon kits, Alpha's infact.
-SB
MrSingh said:actually I don't know anything about Xenon. but knowing what I do know about PS3, it's funny to see the state of euphoria people are in after a few ISSC papers about Cell.
Unison said:Half of you will still be playing this stuff on a horrible TV, so you'll not notice a great difference.
I think we need to see gameplay before we get excited... Then again, given that it's EA, maybe gameplay footage won't do the job.
mumu said:Maybe i'm crazy or sth. but i think with life like graphics life like animation is mandatory. With the graphics we got now animation is not so much of a problem because the character for the most part looks cartoonish, our brain knows it's not real. But when we see characters looking like persons move like puppets sth. is gonna trigger in our brain and tell us: Wait a minute, that's not how it's supposed to look like!
DopeyFish said:This is a tired statement. Watch a DVD movie on an ordinary TV, play Xbox, watch DVD again. Tell me you don't tell the difference. Tell me there's nothing to improve on.
Yeah -- I don't even know why I bought a GameCube, because it looks practically like the N64 on my crappy TV!Unison said:Half of you will still be playing this stuff on a horrible TV, so you'll not notice a great difference.
That's why i'm gonna bookmark this thread for a crow eating fest in the futureMashing said:Hasn't anyone learned anything about the overhype of next gen graphics... they are 99% of the time never as good as they are billed as being.
Haven't we heard this somewhere before?"Imagine that the characters in a football will be capable of showing real emotion," he said, among other possibilities. "That's what's going to be possible with the next generation of technology."
DarienA said:BTW:
"Need for Speed Underground 2 is selling 60% faster than its predecessor in North America and three times as quickly in Europe."
SUCK IT DOWN NFSU HATERZ!
Most people who are interested in Cell just seem happy because they're finally starting to get concrete info about the project, even if it is in dribs and drabs, not because they think what's been announced confirms their wildest dreams. But your brand of humor wouldn't work with such a modest stance, now would it - your bait thread didn't exactly manage to hook any big fish...MrSingh said:but knowing what I do know about PS3, it's funny to see the state of euphoria people are in after a few ISSC papers about Cell.