teaser of next-gen Madden and Need for Speed
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MightyHedgehog
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Of course...but who's right? 
imastalker co.
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that madden looks pretty crazy, but doesn't show enough. i want Nike Football Commercial quality graphics for sure. that's a cool pic though, but im much more interested in seeing what becomes of ESPN more.
Need For Speed looks nice, but i'd expect better. not from EA though. do not be suprised if namco shows off or talks about something in feb. next gen Ridge Racer has has been in development since July (maybe even longer). i really doubt it'll make the xenon launch. PS3 will definitely have it at launch though.
Need For Speed looks nice, but i'd expect better. not from EA though. do not be suprised if namco shows off or talks about something in feb. next gen Ridge Racer has has been in development since July (maybe even longer). i really doubt it'll make the xenon launch. PS3 will definitely have it at launch though.
Wulfer
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This board is going to have a meltdown if M$ is the leader next gen. There is so much we don't know yet. Price of the systems, launch date, games are starting to take some form. Some of you seem to think that there is nothing M$ can do to change it's fate in Japan. Well let's throw this out there: A slick looking system like the PSP, $249 - 199 price tag and HD-DVD drive. I would think a this point DVD forum members would want to get a leg up on Blue-ray. That would be pretty good I would think. XBL is already ready to go and nice launch lineup (which appears to be happening NFS, Madden Etc..) I'm sorry but, I don't think even Japan could turn this deal away.
mumu said:
Alot of you guys are doubting the leap next gen but its gonna be one of the MORE noticible leaps during console generation cycles we've seen in a long while..probally since we came from the old 16bit systems then suddenly playing Wave Race and Mario64 on N64..we are gonna see that kind of leap this gen if not bigger simply because of pixel shaders, normal mapping,light sourcing,etc are just now getting into the scene...which these newer graphical effects really bring things into near photorealisim.
These graphic effects were the missing key ingredients to photorealistic graphics.....its all down hill from now until we reach photorealisim or movie like graphic effects...which wont be far off come next gen consoles.
Easy there, i believe that constitutes a violation of the TOSMoegames said:
More seriously, the ony thing i believe from that pic is the face of the player on the ground. That looks totally believeable to me. The 1 billion grass straws? No. The cloth simulation? No. The realstic water particles flying around? Probably. The ultra high res textures? Probably. The high poly models? Probably not. The lightning/shadows? Maybe. The general polish of the scene including motion blur, which basically looks like spiced up and cleaned in post production? No. Smooth animation? No.Even if all of this were possible, here comes the kicker: ALL of that in real time? No.
mumu said:Easy there, i believe that constitutes a violation of the TOS
Even if all of this were possible, here comes the kicker: ALL of that in real time? No.
Sorry for calling you an idiot...everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Just didnt have much sleep last night. I'll edit that out...
Sure is, and i guess we'll know soon enoughMoegames said:
And lets assume for a moment those are real PS3/XBOX2 graphics. I really worry about the animation then, there is really no way the almost photorealistic graphics are gonna be paired with smooth life like animation. IMO that's gonna be a problem seeing almost real looking humans move like stiff puppets.mumu said:Sure is, and i guess we'll know soon enough
Why would you worry? Animation is done on the CPU, not the GPU. Remember how powerful both CPUs are going to be for X2/PS3. They are both going to be outclassing high end PCs by a significant margin.
DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
Games w/ that level of detail would take a whole lot longer to develop me thinks.
DopeyFish said:
Exactly...also even with detailed models as the pictures above..i can see current well done animations in some current cutting edge videogames suiting those highly detailed models just fine..and like you said, the cpu's for the next gen console are gonna be much more powerful then any other cpu's available for consumer purchase wheather it be pc,workstations,etc..i can see these kind of detailed models being rendered with the next gen consoles along with nice smooth animation.
We had just talked about this a few weeks back at beyond3d..most people agreed that we will see models like above for next gen videogames along with better everything else...including better animations,ai,physics,etc
SSGMUN10000
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Dang if thats what Madden going to look like then imagine ESPN football looking 3 times as good because we all know that in graphics dept ESPN>Madden.
Not because of lack of power, because of all the work that needs to be put into it. Even in hand animated CGIs the animation is often lacking, and it probably won't be even close to that in games. I'm not satisfied with smooth predefiened animation paths. With graphics like that i want the player to be able to move all his body parts in all possible type of ways, not only move his arm up and down, but twist it around and what not. All smoothly and life-like. Not just some simple skeleton system with only a few joints.
Maybe i'm crazy or sth. but i think with life like graphics life like animation is mandatory. With the graphics we got now animation is not so much of a problem because the character for the most part looks cartoonish, our brain knows it's not real. But when we see characters looking like persons move like puppets sth. is gonna trigger in our brain and tell us: Wait a minute, that's not how it's supposed to look like!
Maybe i'm crazy or sth. but i think with life like graphics life like animation is mandatory. With the graphics we got now animation is not so much of a problem because the character for the most part looks cartoonish, our brain knows it's not real. But when we see characters looking like persons move like puppets sth. is gonna trigger in our brain and tell us: Wait a minute, that's not how it's supposed to look like!
mumu said:
Thats where sophisticated software tools like XNA,etc come into play...faster development is needed for more complex videogames which require better animations,physics,AI,etc...tools like XNA help tone down development time a great deal. Dont worry..when videogame developers get new hardware to exploit new graphical effects or the latest software technology like for animations,etc ...they usually improve upon everything not just parts here and there..also we are gonna notice a A.I. leap as well from these super powerful cpu's that the next gen consoles will be touting.....64bit instructions vs current 32bit? How long have we been in the 32bit cpu era? > A long time...we are gonna see a significant leap come next gen when we go to 64bit cpu powered games. Its gonna be nice when these next consoles come out...
Well if i had to guess (which i have no clue honestly)..i'd say if those were real screenshots running off the in-game engine..i'd say Xbox2 alpha hardware because EAsports will put out its first next gen game on xbox2, not ps3.
Didnt EA buy Criterion? Criterion has a cool set of new tools i believe that is scalable for diffrent hardware/platforms..i believe if EA has Criterion on their side..i have no doubt in my mind they are using these set of tools from Criterion that is scalable for diffrent hardware that makes porting games to other hardware much much more easier and more efficient and at the same time maximizing that particular hardware its porting to ..to its fullest capabilities.
Didnt EA buy Criterion? Criterion has a cool set of new tools i believe that is scalable for diffrent hardware/platforms..i believe if EA has Criterion on their side..i have no doubt in my mind they are using these set of tools from Criterion that is scalable for diffrent hardware that makes porting games to other hardware much much more easier and more efficient and at the same time maximizing that particular hardware its porting to ..to its fullest capabilities.
SolidSnakex
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I want weather effects like this next gen.
I guess my main skepticism w/ those shots is that Half-Life 2 looks almost as good.... Obviously there's some kinda light filtering going on in that Madden shot that HL2 isn't doing and the textures in Madden are possibly even cleaner than they are in HL2, but there is no huge, jaw-dropping leap over what PCs can do right now.
edit: though I guess if they really did the million blade of grass individually, that would be stupidly impressive.
edit: though I guess if they really did the million blade of grass individually, that would be stupidly impressive.
DCX
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The NFS pic is something we will get used to because that's how the average racer will look next gen. Now, that Madden pic seems misleading. First off it's possible to have high poly models like that but it's reserved for fighting games etc because you only have maybe 2-4 fighters on screen. In football you have 22 players plus a huge stadium with poly crowds and sidelines filled with people, i find it hard to believe we can play a game that detailed running at 60fps with tons of real time psychics, AI and particle effects. Call me crazy...
DCX
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That's why i'm gonna bookmark this thread for a crow eating fest in the futureMashing said:
No but seriously, that's all just marketing hype for now. We all still remember with what kinda graphics the XBOX was hyped (see pic), it's the same thing all over again.Although that doesn't mean it's totally impossible to have the Madden graphics next gen, just not in a real game, and since that picture is coming straight from the EA hype department i'm gonna take it with an extra cup of salt. SONY is doing the same thing right now, just with numbers instead of graphics. Nintendo is doing it with revolutionary yet unknown features, not sure what to think about that.
Catchpenny
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DarienA said:
My throat is sore.
Most people who are interested in Cell just seem happy because they're finally starting to get concrete info about the project, even if it is in dribs and drabs, not because they think what's been announced confirms their wildest dreams. But your brand of humor wouldn't work with such a modest stance, now would it - your bait thread didn't exactly manage to hook any big fish...MrSingh said:
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