Forza Horizon 5 Revenue exceeds GT7 F1 Need for Speed and Crew Combined

Where are you getting your numbers from? Fh3 was 10 mil players(in 2018), with 2m5 units sold( in 2017). So when did it jump to 20 mil?

FH3 - 10 million is the latest number I can find could have sworn it was 15-20 million after Gamepass release, it was a physical only release to purchase to begin with for years.

FH4 - https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/11...box-series-x-and-xbox-series-s-available-now/

FH5 - https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/m...asses-45-million-players-ahead-of-ps5-launch/

So after PS5 sales we're nearly at 50 million for FH5 now? I don't know why people underestimate a GaaS based game with 4x the player count of GT doing 4x the revenue.

Now picture 6 based in Japan launching simultaneous across both consoles and PC. HUGE.
 
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FH3 - 10 million is the latest number I can find could have sworn it was 15-20 million after Gamepass release, it was a physical only release to purchase to begin with for years.

FH4 - https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/11...box-series-x-and-xbox-series-s-available-now/

FH5 - https://www.kitguru.net/tech-news/m...asses-45-million-players-ahead-of-ps5-launch/

So after PS5 sales we're nearly at 50 million for FH5 now? I don't know why people underestimate a GaaS based game with 4x the player count of GT doing 4x the revenue.

Now picture 6 based in Japan launching simultaneous across both consoles and PC. HUGE.
50 million sales for fh5? Fh 5 sales were never reported. Last sales we ever got for fh series was fh3 at 2.5 mil, few months after launch.

As for 4x, we never got gt7 numbers. Besides Sony and maybe polyphony no one knows what numbers it did. Estimates by third party puts it at 14 mil+. So 3x at max, and even then you are comparing sales to players( not to mention gt 7 has never be below 40 bucks, as far as I know unlike previous gt games).
 
50 million sales for fh5? Fh 5 sales were never reported. Last sales we ever got for fh series was fh3 at 2.5 mil, few months after launch.

As for 4x, we never got gt7 numbers. Besides Sony and maybe polyphony no one knows what numbers it did. Estimates by third party puts it at 14 mil+. So 3x at max, and even then you are comparing sales to players( not to mention gt 7 has never be below 40 bucks, as far as I know unlike previous gt games).

Where did I say 50 million sales? I said AFTER the PS5 sales which is nearly 2 million we are now nearly at 50 million players for FH5 if you had read the link I posted.

Players is what counts in GaaS and revenue… not sales. Do you want 50 million players buying skins yearly or 15 million players buying skins?

There's a reason Fortnite is free yet generates more than any other game on the market.
 
This isn't surprising news. They've created and marketed it as a game for everyone. It's very easy to pick up and play and collecting cars and getting wheelspins can become an addiction. Plus there's ton of content and the game isn't pushing to win races.

Same with fomo & gaas content - they got it right for most part (locking certain common cars from the main shop can be annoying, but you have hundreds of other machines), while the sister (parent?) series Forza Motorsport got it horribly wrong.
 
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I'm not surprised. For me it was a better game than most the others mentioned. I've never played F1.

Although GT7 is a simulator so I'm not sure they should be compared?
 
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People dont want to hear this ….. but engagement figures on FH5 are nuts.

I have seen people playing that exclusively, daily for 2-3 yrs.
Right here.🙋‍♀️

The amount I have spent on this game is insane. Off the top of my head and possibly missing some purchases that I can't think of right now.

I bought the series X console just for it.

Series X - $600
Forza Horizon 5 standard edition -$60
Rally DLC - $25
Hot Wheels DLC - $25
Various Car packs - $150
Vip pack- $25
24 pack of car vouchers - $25

I have spent $300 just on the game without including tax, so probably closer to $350. Add the Xbox console and I'm well over $1000 to play one game. None of this includes my wheel set-up. I have thousands of hours, so I have got my money's worth.

edit* these are Canadian dollars. US. conversion is like $260 dollars on the game, $730 overall.
 
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Right here.🙋‍♀️

The amount I have spent on this game is insane. Off the top of my head and possibly missing some purchases that I can't think of right now.

I bought the series X console just for it.

Series X - $600
Forza Horizon 5 standard edition -$60
Rally DLC - $25
Hot Wheels DLC - $25
Various Car packs - $150
Vip pack- $25
24 pack of car vouchers - $25

I have spent $300 just on the game without including tax, so probably closer to $350. Add the Xbox console and I'm well over $1000 to play one game. None of this includes my wheel set-up. I have thousands of hours, so I have got my money's worth.

edit* these are Canadian dollars. US. conversion is like $260 dollars on the game, $730 overall.
Do you enjoy it?
 
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No, I hate it. I spent over a thousand dollars and a thousand hours because I hate it. I'm a sadomasochist and it gets me hard when I torture myself by playing and paying FH5. I enter online races, get shoved off track by a shit stain newbie and it makes me blow a load instantly. 🙄
 
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They would have entire teams looking at copies sold and how those games generate revenue, people think it's just developer makes X. It's not like that at all behind the scenes there's entire departments dedicated to this work on how to generate revenue.

Forza 3 was over 20 million
Forza 4 was over 25 million
Forza 5 was over 45 million

It's players, and people will cry about that but it's nearly 100 million players for GaaS content over 3 games. I have no doubt they have made 4x the money as the next 4 combined when only really GT would be the only competition.

Are you a sick man :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy:

- Do you know what players mean?
- You realize many of those "players" are the same people right (from Forza 3 to Forza 5)?
- Why are you believing everyone that "played" Forza Horizon games spent money?
 
They should remake Interstate 76 but with Horizon aspects.. I loved attaching weapons to my cars and all that shit. Give it a great story as well.

 
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Forza has alot of transactions to be had.
GT7 is free updates
I cant speak for F1
NFS is sort of dead.


So yea - interesting metrics. lol
 
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This is FUD. For starters, how would he, as a Playground (ex-Playground now) person have access to Polyphony or SIE's GT revenue numbers? We also know that GT7 alone is at least around 10-12 million in sales, and has a healthy live-service component. It's not a GAAS per-se (as in, purely online-only), but we know from its sales it's sold more than Forza Horizon 5 (at least, pre-PS5 port).

Like bro, yes FH5 is a good game and it's done well, but this is the type of self-fellating reacharound flex I hate from MS and Xbox developers in general, even if they're ex-devs. They make claims that cannot be proven because it'd mean they have access to financial records of other IP and companies when, realistically, they wouldn't have that access. I can buy FH5 generating more revenue than, say, GT7 in its debut month on PS5; that's a perfectly reasonable take.

But lifetime? As in ALL entries combined? It's bullshit, and I don't expect an IGN-owned GameIndustry.biz lacking Dring to do any fact-checking on it. Not these days. Trying to make that claim for FH5 over other franchises like F1 and Need for Speed is also dubious at best; keep in mind some of those stretch back to 3DO/PS1 days and I'd never consider NFS to have been a niche franchise (it's also been multiplat its whole life).

Just another example of someone saying something frivolous and usual lapdogs & fans who don't have critical thinking, taking it at face value, before questioning the logic behind that statement. All because they're coming from supposed authority figures.

Sad, man.

EDIT: And if he's talking the entire Horizon franchise, my statement still stands, at least regarding GT. The first couple of Horizons weren't huge hits (they did well enough, tho) and each mainline GT's seemingly done at least 10 million units. There's also GT Sport, which sold quite well and had its own MTX revenue streams and, again, we have GT7 today.
Forza Horizon has been selling 10 million plus copies since the 3rd installment
 
No they don't. The only time it pops up is when you buy a car, even then you have to look for it and manually go there
I stand corrected. I was thinking of something else. However, you are always reminded to top up your credits whenever you purchase a car, click on one you can't afford, or cars you can't afford are available for limited times being notable. I see it all the time, though I just skip it. GT7 has mtx, not just free updates.
 
GT7 asks you to top off your credit balance after every single race, using real money.
Stop acting a fool. It does not do that.

No they don't. The only time it pops up is when you buy a car, even then you have to look for it and manually go there
And it's the tiniest of fine print and only accessible if short on funds which are super easy to grind in the game.
 
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Proof? Again, theast sales figure we had for fh games was fh3 at 3 million or so
Horizon 3 was never in gamepass and still reach 10million players. And going by sells charts by EU and Americas each installment has outsold its predicessor with each new release. Also FH4 had i think 400k ultimate edition preorders while FH5 had 1.8 million before launch. And one of Playgrounds monthly streams a dev said the gap between players and paid copies is about half.
 
Horizon 3 was never in gamepass and still reach 10million players. And going by sells charts by EU and Americas each installment has outsold its predicessor with each new release. Also FH4 had i think 400k ultimate edition preorders while FH5 had 1.8 million before launch. And one of Playgrounds monthly streams a dev said the gap between players and paid copies is about half.
It was there. It was removed when the license expired. I remember because that's where I played it
 
it is THE racing game these days it seems. so this doesn't really suprise me.

the racing game market is pretty small these days, and Forza Horizon seems to be the only series that is still popular among the mainstream console audience
 
I stand corrected. I was thinking of something else. However, you are always reminded to top up your credits whenever you purchase a car, click on one you can't afford, or cars you can't afford are available for limited times being notable. I see it all the time, though I just skip it. GT7 has mtx, not just free updates.
Not really reminded when it is like a fine print on an insurance paper. It's barely there.
 
Ok, well I guess I have a bigger TV than you. I see it just fine daily. Anyway, it is what it is. It doesn't bother me in GT7 nor in FH5. I have never bought a single MTX.
I play weekly on a 65 inch tv. Not the biggest but big enough, and it is still not visible. Also doesn't help that you can just double press x and skip the confirm menu( that contains the top up option)
 
Either way small print or not....cars, tracks and whatever are free to access. You wanna top off your wallet? so be it.
If i jump on Forza now there are atleast a dozen car packs for cars or hot wheel sets. Im not knocking it-- but lets be real, they will sell and are tempting. (Knight Rider car). I feel there are more ways to spend additional dollars on Forza compared to any other game listed. Thats all.
 
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Either way small print or not....cars, tracks and whatever are free to access. You wanna top off your wallet? so be it.

Agreed. Options are good. And both games give out free content.


If i jump on Forza now there are atleast a dozen car packs for cars or hot wheel sets. Im not knocking it-- but lets be real, they will sell and are tempting. (Knight Rider car).

While true, you have to go to that screen to find them and buy them.

I feel there are more ways to spend additional dollars on Forza compared to any other game listed. Thats all.
True, FH promotes MTX more.
 
GI.biz are responsible for fact checking before publishing. Take it up with them.
No they're not. They just have quotes in the article. They make no statement about fact checking something somebody says and they have no obligation to. They just post what has been said in the interview.
 
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