True -- but if the cinema option is a concern, you can just take the TV out of PC input, and select any other input mode. The calibration and or changes you apply in both ISF modes will yield the same picture in SDR content regardless of input mode. Also my response was more about gaming on the 2017 OLEDS, no reason to use game mode to game or use that mode to experience 24hz judder free playback...
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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True -- but if the cinema option is a concern, you can just take the TV out of PC input, and select any other input mode. The calibration and or changes you apply in both ISF modes will yield the same picture in SDR content regardless of input mode. Also my response was more about gaming on the 2017 OLEDS, no reason to use game mode to game or use that mode to experience 24hz judder free playback...
RedlineRonin
Member
Related to this, what do people have these set at?
I just finished 13 reasons why (cripplingly depressing FYI) through the Netflix app, and there were a handful of shots in the whole season that were just horrendous for judder.
Leave it set to auto on the TV. You can do your own research on RGB and 16-235 vs 0-255, but leave it set to limited. I believe there was a gaf thread awhile back that full RGB is bugged on PS4 anyway. Not sure if that's still the case.
https://us.en.kb.sony.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/33518/
RedAssedApe
Banned
curious if you could recall a specific scene where there was bad judder on the show. wanted to see how my 60hz tv handles it.
Cloggerdude
Member
Bought a 65" P65-C1 Vizio over the weekend. Got it open box at Best Buy for a pretty great price, so I decided to just go for it.
And it was good! The poor viewing angles from the side bothered me and I really felt like it needed to be calibrated. I used the calibrated setting, but the colors still just seemed...off. The upscaling was pretty horrible too, but I really did like it otherwise.
Fast forward to today though, when I went in another Best Buy that had a 55" LG OLED C6 for a reeeaaaallly good price. So....I took the Vizio back and bought the C6.
The size difference sucks, but other than that, there is literally no comparison between the two. Even with the P Series being amazing televisions, it is just completely blown out of the water when you compare it to the OLED. I don't mean to offend anyone that has the Vizio, it's just kind of amazing to have seen the difference first hand.
My only worry is that, while not super noticeable, there does appear to be a bit of what appears to be burn in on the OLED. It's very faint, but it's definitely noticeable on certain colors. I'm hoping that it's just image retention, so I'm going to run the screen clear tonight and hope for the best. Even if it's permanent though, I think I'll still keep it.
And it was good! The poor viewing angles from the side bothered me and I really felt like it needed to be calibrated. I used the calibrated setting, but the colors still just seemed...off. The upscaling was pretty horrible too, but I really did like it otherwise.
Fast forward to today though, when I went in another Best Buy that had a 55" LG OLED C6 for a reeeaaaallly good price. So....I took the Vizio back and bought the C6.
The size difference sucks, but other than that, there is literally no comparison between the two. Even with the P Series being amazing televisions, it is just completely blown out of the water when you compare it to the OLED. I don't mean to offend anyone that has the Vizio, it's just kind of amazing to have seen the difference first hand.
My only worry is that, while not super noticeable, there does appear to be a bit of what appears to be burn in on the OLED. It's very faint, but it's definitely noticeable on certain colors. I'm hoping that it's just image retention, so I'm going to run the screen clear tonight and hope for the best. Even if it's permanent though, I think I'll still keep it.
Does this apply to the 2016 B6 models as well?
On the LG remote, press the button that is between Netflix and Amazon for 2-3 seconds. A menu will appear.
Once this input menu appears, on the right hand side of the screen it will say 'edit icon'. Click on that, and scroll all the way to the bottom where you will find 'PC'. Click on the PC icon. The input label icon and name should now be changed. Exit and you are set.
Please note that if you are on the latest firmware, HDR does not work properly in PC input. However, colors are ONLY correct in PC input on the latest firmware. On the older firmware, using PC input has a strong ass push of cyan. Confusing as shit so bear with me. When watching HDR content, change the icon to anything other than PC. If playing a game, use HDR game.
You know I had both the C6 and B6 and I really can't remember... sorry
Interesting. if i leave it to limited am i not compromising the image quality of hdr content? Would the limited signal range effectively cut off some of the extra colour palette and luminance that hdr is providing. Or if it is bugged perhaps this doesn't apply?
Dave_6
Member
Wondering this myself.
nope
RedlineRonin
Member
You're not compromising quality. It's more important that both sending and receiving devices are set for the same space; e.g. PS4 is set for 16-235 and TV is set to receive 16-235. When those are incongruent, that's when you start to have issues with black crush and washed out blacks.
The trick, as you're discovering, is nothing says "0-255" or -"16-235" it says dumb ass stuff like "limited" "full" "regular" "low"
http://watershade.net/wmcclain/UDP-203-faq.html
go to the "Theory and Practice" section for a solid write up that better explains this stuff (and color space also)
As long as both devices are set to the same thing, you're not missing anything, hence the "auto" recommendation; let the TV figure it out for you.
So if I've been playing PS4 Pro in the "game" picture mode, and I haven't really noticed over-saturated colors, I probably shouldn't go looking for it, huh? :wink
Rtings just released their article on best gaming TV for 2017 http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/best/by-usage/video-gaming
Hint:
Hint:
it's the C7
Awesome, I just bought that TV.
(well, the B7 but my understanding it's the same besides the stand and speakers)
I'm at a total loss for picking between two TVs.
1899€ - 55" Sony 900E
1999€ - 55" LG C7 OLED
I want the Sony because it gets brighter and has a seemingly good local dimming feature. I always watch in a bright room so I doubt blacks would ever be an issue. I also am a believer in Sony's motion handling and overall picture quality.
I want the LG because it is an OLED. But do I even need it? As I said I would never need the OLED blacks for dark room viewing. Dolby Vision is probably never going to matter for me, but it's a plus compared to the Sony. Also right now it's at a huge discount, so I would have to make the decision NOW! Overall, the lack of brightness and ABL are what scare me, but is it an issue really?
Please GAF, this problem is making me mad.
1899€ - 55" Sony 900E
1999€ - 55" LG C7 OLED
I want the Sony because it gets brighter and has a seemingly good local dimming feature. I always watch in a bright room so I doubt blacks would ever be an issue. I also am a believer in Sony's motion handling and overall picture quality.
I want the LG because it is an OLED. But do I even need it? As I said I would never need the OLED blacks for dark room viewing. Dolby Vision is probably never going to matter for me, but it's a plus compared to the Sony. Also right now it's at a huge discount, so I would have to make the decision NOW! Overall, the lack of brightness and ABL are what scare me, but is it an issue really?
Please GAF, this problem is making me mad.
Insane Metal
Member
C7, without a doubt.
They are almost the same price and size.
I would never buy a LCD over a OLED at the same price. The oled will be bright enough.
SEGAvangelist
Member
OLED all the way. You won't regret it. Big input lag difference too, so it's a much better gaming TV.
B7 and C7 are virtually identical anyway. Think the only difference is the stand? B7 is for whole sale and C7 is for retail. At least in the USA.
For that small difference I'd get the C7. I was worried about ABL too but it hasn't been an issue so far. The 2017 models handle ABL more efficiently than the 2016 line. The only "issue" (I put it in quotes because it was my stupidity) was I thought HDR was busted but that is because I accidentally had put Energy Saving on Auto, and this dims the screen. Turned energy saving off, everything back to normal.
For that small difference I'd get the C7. I was worried about ABL too but it hasn't been an issue so far. The 2017 models handle ABL more efficiently than the 2016 line. The only "issue" (I put it in quotes because it was my stupidity) was I thought HDR was busted but that is because I accidentally had put Energy Saving on Auto, and this dims the screen. Turned energy saving off, everything back to normal.
RedlineRonin
Member
(which would still be made with an LG panel.... =) )
Sony's processing is great but LG is no slouch
Stand and the frame, yup. Silver vs Black on the C7.
chromatic9
Member
Have you got links to these TVs?
Edit, you meant B7. No need to link anymore but are you sure it's not the B6?
chromatic9
Member
Big price drop then on the B7. B7 and C7 differences are cosmetic and usually priced the same.
The C7 on the same website 2999. Doesn't' make sense to discount the B7 like that. Maybe a mistake on the website?
Edit
amazon.fi
XE900 = 1550
B7 and C7 = 2500
Would seem odd if that site you liked has a the Sony Xe900 for 1900 and a C7 for 3000 would have a B7 for 2000. Difference across Europe is usually 800-1000 for a XE900 and LG B7/C7. Bet it's a B6 that you get but great if its a B7, you should order 5 and sell them.
DangerMouse
Member
Gonna be a great rest of the year except for my wallet. LOL
Nope, it was discounted to 1999€ and now even less due to competition. Will be 2899€ after the sale. Geez, I really am starting to turn towards buying this tomorrow.
chromatic9
Member
Crazy deal then.
Still, the Xe900 is 1550 on amazon.fi but yes a B7 for that price you have to buy it I guess. Across Europe a XE900 and LG B7/C7 have a price difference of 800-1000.
Thanks for the tips. I have set to auto now and it seems to look ok. Although it is getting tricky finding the sweet spot for this tv. Some content looks a little crushed, others are really nice. Trying to tweak black and gamma settings to find the "one size fits all setting".
Insane Metal
Member
Digital Trends' OLED vs. QLED faceoff
Winner:
obviously. But not by a huge difference overall.
Although they do say that the
has the best image ever seen on an
TV.
Winner:
OLED
Although they do say that the
Q9
LCD
Can't watch now but does that include the Z9???
longdi
Banned
Q9 is edge lit ya? How can it be best if so. Yep sounds like another commercialised YT video
Theonik
Member
It's just an E7 vs a Q9.
People keep going on about that but edge lit TVs are not always worse that direct light local dimming sets. See the X90E vs X93E.
The latter beats the former handily. But of course you can get better results from a FALD set if you are willing to expend the extra cost to do so.
Pasedo
Member
OLED seems to be the rage because of contrast but why not something like Samsungs QLED? Its much brighter so better for rooms where theres light which i think most would have unless youre sticking your TV in a dark theatre room. Lcd lasts longer so better for your investment. Also doesnt this thing have more vibrant and realistic colours because of quantum dot technology? In regards to contrast its still pretty darn good. Do you think the other benefits outweights the contrast narrative. Feels like marketing to me.
The poster said the video said it was the best picture on an LCD they've ever seen
guitarguy316
Member
Brightness is blown out of proportion unless you are in a room with skylights and 20 windows.
OLED panel life is rated longer than any LCD on the market. Regardless of that before any TV loses brightness so much that it becomes too dim something else will have failed anyway.
Yappadappadu
Member
Yeah, that argument is pretty ridiculous these days and surely no reason to prefer a LCD TV.
longdi
Banned
Yeah when the lowest and cheapest LG oleds has as good pq as the high end fald
Theonik
Member
It really is not. The point of brightness especially in an HDR environment is to be able to resolve detail at high levels of brightness in the image itself. HDR highlights in an LCD have a ton of detail, easiest area to notice this is in cloud detail in something like Pan. Also nobody is looking for a set that can do 1800nits for a full screen for that reason. It's all about dynamic range.
But the LCD can and often is cheaper. And is better.
Quantum dot LCDs are standard fare for the last couple of years or so. This is just a marketing move by Samsung.
Better than OLED? No. The best and most expensive LCD doesn't beat even a lower end OLED. And OLED can go insanely bright, depending on settings. People tell me my TV is way too bright (LG OLED C6)
Most likely your TV is set too bright. Not the same as peak brightness in HDR.
Theonik
Member
LMAO
GinoFelino
Member
Even when you're right, this is never a good look
MarkMclovin
Member
I have colour banding on the PS4 menus is that normal? Ive got an LG LCD tv, nothing special but is it a setting on the tv that makes it better, or the PS4?
Theonik
Member
So it might be, but we've had this exact same argument here so many times this is the only appropriate response.
Normal. No way to fix that until Sony updates.
Says the guy who watched his LCD on Vivid mode LUL