Like 99% sure this is the case for my B7, too. Quickly tried it with Lost Legacy last week and input lag was unnoticeable in all HDR presets and I didn't notice any banding.
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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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Like 99% sure this is the case for my B7, too. Quickly tried it with Lost Legacy last week and input lag was unnoticeable in all HDR presets and I didn't notice any banding.
JordanBlack68
Member
Problem with PC HDR mode is that the colour mode is wide not auto on the C7, is that still true
Confirm that PC mode doesn't ensure low input lag in HDR mode. Easy to check if you have a PC connected and turn on HDR for the desktop because the mouse cursor will have noticable lag.
The color banding issue in PC HDR mode was reported when the 7 series came out, and for me it still hasn't been fixed. It's easy to spot if you start an HDR game and look at the sky and then switch between PC mode and other modes. PC will have much worse banding.
I'll have to check my firmware, but I installed the new one everytime I was prompted.
This is weird. What nogoodnamesleft said about comparing two sets side-by-side is also worrying. How can these issues be so different between sets of the same model and with the same firmware?
mikezilla2
Member
more importantly it will look washed out
Well Growing tired of the PDP remote
recoemned alternative universal romotes for controlling the tv and PS4 ?
not my Phone
Well Growing tired of the PDP remote
recoemned alternative universal romotes for controlling the tv and PS4 ?
not my Phone
Yeah the input lag in PC mode with HDR is definitely low. I have my PC hooked up to it and anything above 40ms feels gross with a mouse IMO. It feels identical to me.
Yup, same here. HDR Vivid, HDR Standard, doesn't matter, it's very low, probably around the 20-30ms range.
I'll try to spot color banding with Lost Legacy later if I care enough to do it.
RedlineRonin
Member
I had really bad banding on my C7 in PC mode in HDR when I had my PS4 Pro set to 2160p420. Setting to 2160p RGB took care of that. To the point above, it was very obvious when looking at the sky in Horizon Zero Dawn.
Fess
Member
I saw that at a store this weekend. OMG, insane picture quality! But OMG,4600!Its here
Sony 65a1e
I think I'm going with a Sony LED instead, the xe90/x900e or xe93/x930e, nearly half the price of the A1E and both still had amazing picture quality.
holygeesus
Banned
30fps titles aren't the best way to test for input lag. Those gaming on PCs with a mouse will likely notice it more.
I tested with my mouse in Shadow Warrior 2. Input lag is definitely in the 20-30 ms range in PC mode HDR.
Caayn
Member
First HDMI 2.1 product?
2m, Belkin HDMI 2.1 cable - €30,-
2m, Belkin HDMI 2.1 cable - €30,-
jondoyle1234
Member
I saw that at a store this weekend. OMG, insane picture quality! But OMG,4600!
I think I'm going with a Sony LED instead, the xe90/x900e or xe93/x930e, nearly half the price of the A1E and both still had amazing picture quality.
I actually got it for 3000 as a refurbished model from Sony directly
Turns out it was literally a grade a store return and arrived to me completely new in the box with 6 years warranty !
Crazy
It cost me less than the 55" in uk prices which is
£2999 for 55
£4500 for 65
mikezilla2
Member
Wheres the Cheap Chinese version ?
Fess
Member
Haha congrats! I'm not at aaaall jelaous! ;S
I know, it was more of a "pretty sure it was fine" sort of an observation. The input lag you'd normally get in HDR Vivid or Standard mode would be immediately obvious even with 30fps games.
I posted above that I also tried it on PC and it was perfectly fine. Could probably play CS on the TV or something with m+kb no problem.
GinoFelino
Member
Some help here please
i got the lg oled b6, and i saw all this talk about the latest firmware ruining the hdr and black levels,
up until now, I had the 04.30.50 firmware, but now i got a prompt asking to upgrade to 05.30.03.
the question is, should i upgrade or stick with the current firmware?
i got the lg oled b6, and i saw all this talk about the latest firmware ruining the hdr and black levels,
up until now, I had the 04.30.50 firmware, but now i got a prompt asking to upgrade to 05.30.03.
the question is, should i upgrade or stick with the current firmware?
I can't make up my mind about these two tv's from Sony.
- 65 inch Sony x900e
- 55 inch Sony x930e
I've seen both TV's in real life and the 930e is much brighter and a better looking tv. I sit around 2/3 meters away from the screen. Should I go for bigger screen size and no DV and less bright or smaller screen with a superior screen and DV? both TV's are around the same price (1800 euro)
- 65 inch Sony x900e
- 55 inch Sony x930e
I've seen both TV's in real life and the 930e is much brighter and a better looking tv. I sit around 2/3 meters away from the screen. Should I go for bigger screen size and no DV and less bright or smaller screen with a superior screen and DV? both TV's are around the same price (1800 euro)
Tarin02543
Member
If it's really HDMI 2.1 it should go up to 10K, this cable only does 4.
Not to mention HDMI 2.1 hasn't been finalized yet. This is most likely some sort of type o.
The price jump from 55" to 65" 93e is almost 1000 euros here (2999 euros). a bit too much for me!
Caayn
Member
It probably isn't cheap to produce cables with the necessary bandwidth. Time will tell, I don't find it strange that the first wave of cables will be more expensive than we're currently used to with HDMI 2.0That price certainly bodes well for HDMI 2.1 products.....
That's indeed the important question here. Just how close can this cable get to providing the full 48Gb/s bandwidth?
GinoFelino
Member
I'd wait for Sony's 2018 models. I loved the X900E, and they finally worked out the kinks on Android TV, but when playing HDR content, the chipset just couldn't handle it. Changing volume takes like 5 seconds to register. Trust me, that gets old fast.
Next year should see a better chipset, HDMI 2.1, and HDR output more in line with the 930 at the price point of the 900.
If you can't wait, even for the 930 to drop lower, get the 65 inch. With 4k hdr, bigger is better.
I'm not knocking it, just saying, that's quite a bit of cash for a 2m non-premium cable
is this a known problem with the 900e? I don't know if I can wait till april/may for these new TV's
Theonik
Member
The standard is effectively finalised but last I had checked there is no compliance tests yet but I could ask around and confirm.
There is nothing really special about 48Gb/s cables other than being able to be clocked at the higher speed without the SNR falling bellow the baseline.
For shorter runs of cable that's not so much of an issue.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
The firmware they are prompting you with is indeed the firmware that has the changes. Unless you're a hardcore picture junkie in a completely black room you will notice the changed blacks.
jondoyle1234
Member
Taking requests for photos of stuff on the a1e
Anyone got a title they want to see and I will try take best photo I can
Anyone got a title they want to see and I will try take best photo I can
I don't notice any difference in responsiveness of the UI relative to SDR vs HDR. It can be affected by the number of background apps (I always kill apps I'm not using) and certain apps handle opening the menu better than others (I have no problem with it in Netflix, but MLB.TV stops when the menu opens).
900E is still great. I wouldn't let this be the one thing that holds you back on it.
GinoFelino
Member
I never kill apps. I refuse to have to kill apps on my fucking TV.
However, no matter if it was just after booting or after hours of use, Netflix HDR would slow the UI down to a crawl
900E is a great TV, but next year's models are around the corner. You can't really go wrong no matter what you decide.
Haloid1177
Banned
Sitting on $1200 in Best Buy points right now, all this OLED talk is making my patience run dry. Gotta keep going though.
Kudo
Member
Happen to have Zelda? Kinda interested how well Switch scales to OLED.
I can almost smell CES 2018.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Dude that's a lot of points...
Which PDP remote? They have a new one that looks better.
All this talk about HDR game mode and issues is so disheartening. Like why do we have these problems for 1000$+ TVs? The hell?
Kudo
Member
How long are you planning to wait?
Remember, time is money, life is short and no technology is ever perfect.
same
This. There is never a "right time" to buy. Once you buy, it's always out of date. Every time.
Haint
Member
My comment on PC Mode HDR lag was based on HDTVTest's findings (video) with the Bodnar:
Code:
[B]This [PC] relabelling trick didnt lower input lag in HDR, so to get a figure of 21ms, its necessary to enable [HDR Game] mode where [Colour Gamut] could be switched from Wide to Auto for more accurate colour reproduction.[/B]Their review appears to have been done on FW 3.5, so it's possible as Elnino mentioned that FW 3.6 fixed the issue. I suppose it's also possible there could be territorial differences (they're in the UK, RTings are US).
mikezilla2
Member
3215EQA
probably the very first one or just after
have had it for some time now and wasn't able to get it to pair with the older tv ether and cant see any codes in the manual
wondering how i can Fix this
and Yes i agree with your sentiment about these tvs
Insane Metal
Member
We were lied to. OLED was a mistake.
Fess
Member
What's DV?
I think I would've gone with the 65" TV with your viewing distance, I doubt that you'll be disappointed with the x900e considering how well it's reviewed. The x930e seems extremely good too though. Tough choice.
Btw, check out this youtuber...
This video caused OLED fans to seriously hate on him.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JrVcYB7NWpY
And this is the follow up video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CXDKEfj6Q3s
Endorphineforeverybody
Member
So Sony lowered the UVP for the xe9305 again, from 2699,2299,to 2099 for the 55". Tempted to buy it now for 1900,- My guess it's going down to 1600 at the end (March 2018)
Edit: ^^ Dolby Vision. I would go with the XE93 because of DV, better blacks, peak brightness, lower lag (in 4k).
Edit: ^^ Dolby Vision. I would go with the XE93 because of DV, better blacks, peak brightness, lower lag (in 4k).
With regards to the B7
Something I noticed with the multiple PC mode HDR standard, game etc. Where their peak brightness was as high as Non-PC mode HDR modes.
HDR standard is far brighter than PC HDR Standard.
Maybe I am wrong, I might test this case again.
It sucks that brightness itself on HDR game mode is way lower than HDR standard, I cannot really put together with peak brightness is affected. Maybe color algorithm is harder to calculate at higher peak brightness? Do we need to get another petition going here.
I am definitely looking forward to LGs next oled 2017 firmware, Youtube HDR needs to be fixed and much more
Something I noticed with the multiple PC mode HDR standard, game etc. Where their peak brightness was as high as Non-PC mode HDR modes.
HDR standard is far brighter than PC HDR Standard.
Maybe I am wrong, I might test this case again.
It sucks that brightness itself on HDR game mode is way lower than HDR standard, I cannot really put together with peak brightness is affected. Maybe color algorithm is harder to calculate at higher peak brightness? Do we need to get another petition going here.
I am definitely looking forward to LGs next oled 2017 firmware, Youtube HDR needs to be fixed and much more
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Trying to watch these videos on my 65B6 is proving to be impossible sadly...
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_xb_showcase_quantum_break_one_x-19527_en.html
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_xb_showcase_tomb_raider_on_one_x-19526_en.html
For some reason they just won't play via USB or media server for that matter.
Yet older videos from Gamersyde work fine:
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_ps4_pro_4k_hdr_videos-19292_en.html
I'm assuming the new videos have some kind of codec my TV doesn't support? So much for checking out these One X videos in 4K on my TV, sigh.
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_xb_showcase_quantum_break_one_x-19527_en.html
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_xb_showcase_tomb_raider_on_one_x-19526_en.html
For some reason they just won't play via USB or media server for that matter.
Yet older videos from Gamersyde work fine:
http://www.gamersyde.com/news_ps4_pro_4k_hdr_videos-19292_en.html
I'm assuming the new videos have some kind of codec my TV doesn't support? So much for checking out these One X videos in 4K on my TV, sigh.
GinoFelino
Member
So many issues like this one and still many people on the last couple of pages were acting like I was making shit up when I was saying LG's OS experience has as many (or more) flaws as AndroidTV at this point.
RedlineRonin
Member
https://ce-pro.eu/2017/09/apple-tv-4k-lacks-dolby-atmos-feature-dolby-vision/
honestly?
that's a deal breaker for me. maybe consider it if/when they update it to add the functionality, but that's a no for me dog.
honestly?
that's a deal breaker for me. maybe consider it if/when they update it to add the functionality, but that's a no for me dog.
Atmos is not gonna come. We were almost there.
From what I gathered LG has acknowledged the issue, but the app developer (Google, I imagine) is responsible for fixing it. So this issue will not get fixed with an OS update since it is not related to the OS. Hopefully we'll see an updated YouTube app soon instead.