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Television Displays and Technology Thread: This is a fantasy based on OLED
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I agree. Pronounced built-in speakers are so dumb. I would love to see the percentage of people who buy a high-end set and only use the TV's integrated speakers.
Give me hidden speakers every time. I'll add my own.
Theonik
Member
Sony learned that lesson the hard way with the X94C which had fantastic built in speakers fwiw.
People didn't appreciate them though so out they went with the D series. I kinda miss them I like how they looked too wedge was a very successful design. Wasn't too hot on the D series except the ZD design/build wise. (they add subtle enhancements here and there on the same motif as found in X94D)
People didn't appreciate them though so out they went with the D series. I kinda miss them I like how they looked too wedge was a very successful design. Wasn't too hot on the D series except the ZD design/build wise. (they add subtle enhancements here and there on the same motif as found in X94D)
The X94C was ridiculous looking. Great speakers or not, they added 1 foot of width to the TV, that's absurd. I was not a fan of the wedge design either.
Theonik
Member
This is all a matter of taste. I never really got the value of thin televisions. I think they are pointless if you don't reduce the footprint and Sony's wedge was very efficient on that front. Furthermore, better built in speakers mean it's also better suited for places where you might not want to additional clutter of a soundbar or soundsystem. But obviously the market said no on that. The extra width doesn't bother me really I like bezels. make the TV easier to watch and also provide vital space for the backlight mechanism.
Insane Metal
Member
Forbes' hands on with Panasonic's EZ1000 OLED. Sounds absolutely incredible, as you'd expect.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...ed-tv-turning-oled-up-to-eleven/#35c88ab9378c
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc...ed-tv-turning-oled-up-to-eleven/#35c88ab9378c
The thinness of a TV doesn't mean much to me either, but I felt the wedge was just a pathetic compromise to try to partially appeal to those who prefer thinner TVs.
I can't believe there's someone who actually likes bezels lol. How does a gigantic bezel make a TV "easier to watch".
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
Do want.
Out of them all, this is the one that everyone seems quiet about and yet is arguably the best. That's coming from the viewpoint of being disappointed by the Sony set though :I
boredandlazy
Member
If only Panasonic would get over themselves and support Dolby Vision...
I want one, but it won't be available in the US.
Can Panasonic please buy out LG and take over OLED manufacturing?
Buyout LG then kill off sales in the US, right?
I'd just like for any other major manufacturer to take over tbh. I'd rather see 4 or 5 yearly OLED offerings from either Panasonic, Sony, or Samsung and 1 from LG.
Hard to get excited when Panasonic doesn't sell their TVs in North America anymore.
Sounds awesome! John Archer is great, I really enjoy his articles and reviews for Forbes.
Hard to get excited even when living in a region that gets Panasonic TVs. The CZ950 was a meh at best, despite the glowing reviews at the time.
My understanding is that when plasma died, competition from manufacturers like Samsung, LG and Vizio who established their brands with LCD meant their own LCDs never took off in NA, so they pulled out.
holygeesus
Banned
Why? I could have bought the E6 but since 3D is dead (and never was a factor to me personally) it offers nothing over the B6 except a larger form factor (ugh). There are many vastly superior audio options so that bar is just in the way.
Because the E6 is a better TV. Maybe not so much now the B6 has a superior response time, but the E6 is more refined overall.
Bog
Junior Ace
Yeah, what the hell was up with that? I was waiting for a post-Christmas drop and they both went up a grand instead.
Crimson_Gold
Member
theSlacker
Member
Oh thank goodness. Was out all weekend and unable to really check up on things and was not wanting to read through all the pages I missed. Good looking out.
Crazy...I feel like the name holds a lot of weight in the US, but maybe that's just among people looking for high end sets to replace their plasmas.
I know the B6 has better input lag; how is the E6 a better TV overall? I'm not being facetious, just want to compare as I'm about to pull the trigger on one of them today. The 65" B6 costs about £2799 here in the U.K. and the 65" E6 is about £3799 and I'm wondering if the E6 is worth the £1,000 difference. Thanks
I know the B6 has better input lag; how is the E6 a better TV overall? I'm not being facetious, just want to compare as I'm about to pull the trigger on one of them today. The 65" B6 costs about £2799 here in the U.K. and the 65" E6 is about £3799 and I'm wondering if the E6 is worth the £1,000 difference. Thanks
I'm curious as well now that the "superior processor" argument has been rendered moot (and picture quality is identical). My only thought is that if you want/need 3D (el-oh-el) it is the way to go but that certainly doesn't make it more refined. After 3D you are just choosing form factor and one has speakers attached circa 2010 and one does not. Pretty much any other sound option is going to be better.
brotkasten
Member
I'm at the same point and so far, the only reason why I might prefer the better SoC is the better support for firmware updates down the line, similar to how the TVs with LG's own SoC got the HDR game mode FW earlier. It would suck a little, if some features couldn't be brought to the B6, because the processor is weaker.
boredandlazy
Member
Why the patronising 'el-oh-el' for 3D? It's freaking amazing on the 2016 OLED TV's.
holygeesus
Banned
I'm just going by what professional calibrators have said, in terms of being more precise to calibrate properly and having more 'refined' picture because of this finer tuning. I personally wouldn't pay a grand more for one, as 3D isn't for me. My point was more, that I can get a superior E6 for less than I paid for my B6, not that I'd wished I'd have waited. More than happy here.
I replaced all my HDMI cables with these: http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=15427. They have the certified by HDMI on them so they are guaranteed for 4K. They work with the Xbox S with HDR and regular PS4 with HDR.
Yeah I heard it is great. Was mostly a comment directed at the fact that the tech seems to be dead at this point. However, if someone likes it and wants to keep a back-catalog of 3D media the E6 would be a great choice.
About to pull the trigger myself and was also gonna go E6 as I heard it was better than the B6. Don't care about 3D or the speaker as I have my own and yeah I will mess with the settings but won't get it professionally calibrated. B6 has updated HDR game mode right? Any real reason to spend the extra $$?
NESpowerhouse
Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane.
I'm looking at getting a new TV for my bedroom (upgrading my 24-inch Toshiba 1080p), and I'm thinking about getting a 43-inch Sony X800D 4K HDR. At the moment, the TV is going for about $650 (it's already half of its normal retail price), which is alright, but since I'm also saving up for a new phone, cheaper would always be better. So by the time summer comes around, how much cheaper will this TV be?
DOT DASH DOT
Member
Real shame, as they do make excellent TV's, the DX902 that I have is arguably one of the best FALD's ever made.
holygeesus
Banned
The_Spaniard
Netmarble
Out of stock until the end of the month, no biggie though, My PS4 and XB1 will be fine with their pack in cables, and I don't need new ones ASAP. So, I can just order these or the Amazon basics one, and when they come they come.
Now I need a 4K HDR HDMI switch, any recommendations for a good cheep one? I'm going to need one soon, because I already have more devices than there are inputs on the E6, and I'm going to have even more devices to plug into it when the Switch comes out in a couple months.
Theonik
Member
In what way is it a pathetic compromise? The X94C was the best TV of 2015, while not thin, (can't do FALD and thin) it had a lower footprint compared to other TV sets of its class. It's the best of both worlds.
With regards to bezels, they make it easier to focus on the edges of the display especially in bright rooms. In dark rooms it doesn't really matter as the bezels should disappear in the dark.
e:
Dolby Vision support is greatly overstated. It's the same reason why Sony didn't bother supporting it last year, it allows manufacturers to better differentiate their sets and Panasonic's processing like Sony is top notch. While Sony implementing DV is nice the format still isn't that healthy and its omission will still not be missed on the Panasonic sets.
Samsung not supporting it alone accounts for more than 48% of TV sales.
DV will certainly be missed on Panasonic sets, as will a good operating system experience.
You maybe out of luck on a proper 4K HDR switch. The best one on Monoprice only does 10 gig pass through and doesn't support HDR output.
http://www.vanco1.com/catalog/HDMI_254/HDMI-4x1-True-4K-Selector-Switch-with-ARC-and-HDR_1566 and http://atlona.com/product/at-juno-451/ aren't even available yet and they still don't have enough inputs for what you need.
You're either going to be doing a lot of cable swapping or you'll want to look into an AV receiver to control and switch everything. With ARC on the receiver and TV, you still could use the sound bar and the receiver could just act as a switch for you.
There's a Swedish site quoting some prices for the new LG sets. Maybe it's already known, but it's the first time I've seen anything in regards to prices.
http://www.ljudochbild.se/nyheter/lovtunn-oled-fran-lg
OLED65W7V - around 8000 EUR
OLED77W7V - more than 20000 EUR
OLED55B7V - around 4000 EUR
OLED77G7V - around 17000 EUR
http://www.ljudochbild.se/nyheter/lovtunn-oled-fran-lg
OLED65W7V - around 8000 EUR
OLED77W7V - more than 20000 EUR
OLED55B7V - around 4000 EUR
OLED77G7V - around 17000 EUR
Haha yeah. I wonder how many of them they actually manage to sell.
Theonik
Member
There's almost no DV content out there and their sets should have much better image processing including tonemapping when compared to LG, and maybe even Sony. I'd wager the CZ1002 will be top performing OLED set of 2017. Book it.
As for the smart TV experience I couldn't care less tbh all my content is fed from much better external devices. If you actually care about PQ the Panasonic is the one to watch. Sony also has a chance to impress.
e:
It doesn't matter, most people aren't even looking at something so large so these kinds of sets only make sense to make with big margins. They are also ludicrously expensive to produce in those volumes.
e2: The answer is not very many. LG as a whole probably sells less than a million OLED sets a year. The 4K market as a whole is less than 10m in 2016 with Samsung holding almost half of that.
You can get the C6P for 3D also and not spend E6P money.
The_Spaniard
Netmarble
I just got tracking on my new TV, it should arrive this Saturday. I'm going to be on a business trip from Thurs-Sun... *sits quietly harboring barely contained toddler tantrum*