DontBeThatGuy
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Yeah, this thread could be going in a really stupid direction.
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Terror attack kills 12 at Paris newspaper - 4 wounded, gunmen identified
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Yeah, this thread could be going in a really stupid direction.
Yes there are. Heaps. There's dozens of fatwas against people from the IS. Countless Imams from the UK urge young Muslims to join the Defence Force, Police Force, etc. It gets ZERO media attention, which is really unfortunate.
And also there is support within the Muslim community for stuff like this, people who say "Well you deserve to die because you made fun of the Prophet". And they're a few more than the 0.0001%
11th death has been reported.
Alx
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Yeah it's not like those things happen every week here... I think it's the first real extremist attack in France since the Merah incidents in 2012.
ComputerMKII
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France's national security alert (Plan Vigipirate) has been raised to maximum level ("Alerte attentat")
Interior Minister officially confirms 11 dead.
Interior Minister officially confirms 11 dead.
Very short video with some shooting captured by neighbours http://instagram.com/p/xjP-wQto3-/
MonorailCat
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The muslim institutions in Europe are too busy protesting against protestors instead of distancing themselves from the radical Islamists. Which in turn just draws more people to the right wing.
BrassDragon
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Fuck. Keep cool, FrenchGAF.
Another DGSI failure after Merah. At least with him they had the excuse that he was self-radicalised and a lone wolf, using a pistol. Now we're dealing with an organised pair using heavy weaponry. There's bound to be fallout in the intelligence services after this.
Another DGSI failure after Merah. At least with him they had the excuse that he was self-radicalised and a lone wolf, using a pistol. Now we're dealing with an organised pair using heavy weaponry. There's bound to be fallout in the intelligence services after this.
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Oh, well, it was just someone filming a street from a high floor with a woman hiding between cars and shooting and shouts going off in the background. Nothing could be seen.
Guttted, terrified, this is the worst.
Also please refrain from speculations on the shooters and their motives. There is already a lot of disgusting islamophobia going on Twitter. Even if those assholes justified their disgusting attack on their faith, it's an extremly small minority and not representative of almost all of France's muslims.
Also please refrain from speculations on the shooters and their motives. There is already a lot of disgusting islamophobia going on Twitter. Even if those assholes justified their disgusting attack on their faith, it's an extremly small minority and not representative of almost all of France's muslims.
ComputerMKII
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I can't wait for conspiracy theorists to call out a false flag operation by the Mossad
Happens all the time and frankly I don't get why Muslims have to go out and distance themselves from this. We don't expect or require Christians to distance themselves when Christian murderers commit atrocities.
BrassDragon
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Seems like they're on the run in a vehicle.
ComputerMKII
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Why would regular muslims have to lower themselves to this? They're not responsible for those attacks and it's kinda insulting to ask for them to openly condemn them - as if there was a doubt they're against terrorism
Hoya Destroyer
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I think terrorist sympathizers breed active terrorists. How many of them have convinced these few to commit such acts?
Both types of people are awful and dont belong on the planet, let alone in a civilized society.
ComputerMKII
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So when hundreds of children get slaughtered cause they happened to be schooled and educated on the premises of the Pakistani military there is deafening silence, but when the prophet is depicted in a satirical cartoon we get people in the streets protesting and then armed barbarians murdering the newspaper staff years later.
Man religion...
Sometimes I think most of the alienation between modern Western and Islamic culture comes from the simple fact that people can't accept that some still "believe" and do it with such feverish, nightmarish and blind dedication.
Man religion...
Sometimes I think most of the alienation between modern Western and Islamic culture comes from the simple fact that people can't accept that some still "believe" and do it with such feverish, nightmarish and blind dedication.
Yup, Highest terror alert in Paris right now.
Stereogatari
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I'm from a Muslim background (Turkish Atheist) so I'd be one of the last to push a thread in that direction.
This unfortunately.
Muslims will have to clearly say massively fuck you to terrorism at some point cause this thing isn't going to evolve well.
It's like they think "hey that's bullshit, we have nothing to do with that and it's insulting to ask us to say it, cause this is obvious". But they have to realize they can't live independently from this worldwide problem..
ComputerMKII
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Nobody who isn't affiliated with these incidents should feel pressure to express themselves about it, but I think it would help align people against the real enemy.
You know why, you just don't agree with it. A lot of people don't agree with the reason why.
Also, I haven't heard of any Christianity driven killings in the past few years, or decade. Mass shootings in the United States have entirely different stigmas brewing.
What are you insinuating, exactly?
BrassDragon
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Press conference by president Hollande. Definitely a terrorist attack.
Can we keep the political debate to a minimum while this plays out in real time? It was embarasssing and distracting in the Sydney Siege thread too.
Oops, should have remembered that.
Can we keep the political debate to a minimum while this plays out in real time? It was embarasssing and distracting in the Sydney Siege thread too.
Oops, should have remembered that.
We're just reading the news, dude.
ComputerMKII
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The whole quarter is reportedly on lockdown, now.
Edit:
11.54 French media offices, including Le Monde, have been placed under police protection.
11.53 Luc Poignant, a police official, tells BFM TV:
11.47 The Telegraph's Henry Samuel reports:
Edit:
11.54 French media offices, including Le Monde, have been placed under police protection.
11.53 Luc Poignant, a police official, tells BFM TV:
11.47 The Telegraph's Henry Samuel reports:
Sleeper901
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new video showing the two men shooting
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-divers/attaque-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo/video-des-images-de-l-attaque-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo_790543.html
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-divers/attaque-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo/video-des-images-de-l-attaque-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo_790543.html
I think these are the shooters.
I wonder what pictures could be plastered all over the walls of the prison cell those two will land in (if they survive the manhunt)
Blue Ninja
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This is insane.
That its obvious why some people that are Muslim strive to defend their own perspective, which doesn't cause harm, which doesn't ask that others kill or maim, they want to keep practicing their religion without unneeded scorn.
DontBeThatGuy
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ComputerMKII
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Video footage of the attacks - You can hear gunfire and people shouting "Allah Akhbar"
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-di...attaque-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo_790543.html
Seems like it was a well-organized operation. Definitely not lone wolves of yet another "mentally-deranged person".
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-di...attaque-au-siege-de-charlie-hebdo_790543.html
Seems like it was a well-organized operation. Definitely not lone wolves of yet another "mentally-deranged person".
MonorailCat
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Is there some kind of leader in Islam like the Pope for Christianity? If so, radicals Islamists should just be officially excommunicated to show that their crimes aren't backed by their interpretation of the Koran and they will not have their virgins in paradise.
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