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Terrorist attack at Charlie Hebdo magazine. 12 dead. 11 wounded.
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Through education and integration, not isolation and bigotry. Well, that's for the home-grown variety.
thenight11
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Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak 3m3 minutes ago
French media report the Trocadero near the Eiffel Tower in #Paris has been evacuated and police have been deployed there
French media report the Trocadero near the Eiffel Tower in #Paris has been evacuated and police have been deployed there
Liberty4all
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I hope there aren't many more members of this cell.
Why? If your attackers are willing to die and become martyrs, then there isn't much planning needed for an attack. Just get an AK and start shooting people or hold them hostage.
They are related in this case.
Trocadero Center incident was apparently false alarm, according to the Ministry of Interior.
https://twitter.com/WilliamMolinie/status/553555542162292736
https://twitter.com/WilliamMolinie/status/553555542162292736
Doczu
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Simple. By a bullet to the head.
stronger migration restrictions innit
DXB-KNIGHT
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Do anyone think that the terrorist attack on France is linked by the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier being moved to the Gulf to help the coalition prior to the incidents?
They had black ladders. I assure you they didn't spraypaint them, they just had a ton of different colored ladders for any operation CAUSE THEY ARE GERMAN
They did, though, even to their weird standard of the word "civilian".
Their first victim was one of the two cleaning guys at the entrance of the Charlie Hebdo building.
BlazingDarkness
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Huh?
Good, if true.
Because the more people you have to organize the more you have to communicate and the higher the chances those communications are intercepted, especially in todays world.
Provisional yay! (edit: oops)
We are lucky that those guys are mostly idiots.
It's scary to think how easy it would to stage such thing in the a country like the US, but thanks Allah that people who want to kill because of a fucking cartoon don't tend to be the greatest tactical minds.
maquiladora
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False alarm. A bit of good news for a change.
These five are - i mean different attacks in different countries. Media sometimes makes this into a network - while it's more like individuals (or a group of individuals) who decide to do this without a international hub behind them.
It are loosely planned terror assaults, not well coordinated attacks.
Which doesn't mean they can't be deadly/effective though, sadly enough.
Kiever Sher
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I guess Hebdo staff and cops, they had plenty of chances to kill others as they were on the run. He was saying that it made this a different sort of attack to Mumbai and it may play a part in the police response.
Mass_Pincup
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Coulibaly (the men with hostages in Porte de Vincennes) is askink for the brothers Kouachi to be liberated.
Source TF1
Source TF1
Herb Alpert
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well, that would be ineffective, given the terrorists today were born in France. They are French.
What yoyu say links terrorism and immigration, and that is pretty false, to be polite.
RPGCrazied
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This is getting crazy, I hope the US is doing everything in their power to help the aid of catching these psychopaths.
He meant during the current hostage situation obviously.
thenight11
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Thank goodness
Always-honest
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Oh please. Hope that's true.
Good if that's true. But given how ISIS managed to get a good amount of supporters from europe one would think that they would have the assets to do something like that. But hopefully not of course.
Ok thank god. But also good that they are on edge. Better too much counter measures than too few atm.
Western countries and its allies in the region have been supporting Syrian rebels since pretty much the beginning of the civil war. I dont think they expected them to go to Iraq or start acting as crazy as they are now. The West needs to learn that they shouldn't use extremists when it suits them, as it always backfires and take more than a few seconds of thought before interfering in the Middle East with all its complexities.
Goldrusher
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Meanwhile in Belgium...
Veritigo_X
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He means during the current situation. Obviously they killed civilians in the Charlie Hebdo attack, but if they aren't killing anyone now it at least warrants police reacting differently than if they were actively shooting up the place.
Well, the US is a bit far right now, hope that the bigger europaen countries send some quick aid.
UnluckyKate
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Yeah. So many jokes to be done about rigorous special force training multiplied by the notorious German discipline.
Operation Feuerzauber (Fire Magic)
Meanwhile, while the West German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt attempted to negotiate an agreement with Somali President Siad Barre, special envoy Hans-Jürgen Wischnewski and GSG 9 commander Ulrich Wegener arrived at Mogadishu airport from Jeddah in a Lufthansa aircraft co-piloted by Rüdiger von Lutzau (Gaby Dillmann's fiancé). In West Germany, a team of 30 GSG 9 commandos under their deputy commander Major Klaus Blatte had assembled at Hangelar airfield near Bonn awaiting instructions. The commandos took off from Cologne-Bonn Airport on a Boeing 707 on Monday morning (17 October) planning to fly to nearby Djibouti while Schmidt negotiated with the Somalis. When they were flying over Ethiopia, agreement was reached and permission was given to land at Mogadishu. The Boeing 707 landed at 8:00 pm local time with all lights out to avoid detection by the hijackers.
After four hours to unload all of their equipment and to undertake the necessary reconnaissance, Wegener and Blatte finalized the assault plan, scheduled to start at 2:00 am local time. They decided to approach from the rear of the aircraft in its blind spot in six teams using black-painted aluminium ladders to gain access to the aircraft through the escape hatches under the fuselage and via the doors over the wings. In the meantime a fictitious progress report on the journey being taken by the released prisoners was being fed to Mahmud by the German representatives in the airport tower. Just after 2:00 am, Mahmud was told that the plane carrying the prisoners had just departed Cairo after refuelling and he was asked to provide the conditions of the prisoner/hostage exchange over the radio.
Several minutes before the rescue, Somali soldiers lit a fire 65 yards in front of the jet, as a diversionary tactic, prompting Akache and two of the three hijackers to rush to the cockpit and isolating them from the hostages in the cabin. At 2:07 am local time, the GSG 9 commandos silently climbed up the blackened aluminium ladders and opened the emergency doors, Wegener, at the head of one group, opened the forward door, and two other groups, led by Sergeant-Major Dieter Fox and Sergeant Joachim Huemmer stormed the aircraft by using the ladders to climb up onto the wings and opened both emergency doors at the same time. Shouting in German for the passengers and crew to hit the floor, the commandos shot and killed two of the terrorists (Wabil Harb and Hind Alameh), and wounded Zohair Akache and Suhaila Sayeh, who was hiding in the toilet. Akache died of his injuries hours later. Three passengers and a flight attendant were slightly wounded. An American passenger aboard the plane described the rescue: "I saw the door open and a man appears. His face was painted black and he starts shouting in German 'We're here to rescue you, get down!' and they started shooting."
The emergency escape chutes were deployed and passengers and crew were ordered to quickly evacuate the aircraft. At 2:12 am local time, just five minutes after the assault had commenced, the commandos radioed: "Frühlingszeit! Frühlingszeit!" ("Springtime! Springtime!"), which was the code word for the successful completion of the operation. A few moments later a radio signal was sent to Chancellor Schmidt in Bonn: Four opponents down hostages free four hostages slightly wounded one commando slightly wounded.
"Stuttgart" landed at Cologne Bonn Airport, on 18 October 1977, with GSG 9 team (seen) and hostages, photograph by Ludwig Wegmann
The rescuers escorted all 86 passengers to safety, and a few hours later they were all flown to Cologne-Bonn Airport, where they landed in the early afternoon of Tuesday 18 October, and were given a heroes' welcome.
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What are you doing watching sky news man? Worst fucking news channel, well, until ITV start their own but still.
I'm sure the US is lending any help that is needed, but France has some of the best counter-terrorism and hostage rescue capabilities in the world.
Don't know if they were born in France or not, but they have Algeria background. They clearly don't feel "french" if they are able to pull all this shit
Even though I don't like De Wever much (and his appearance on national television this week was despicable) - this is the right kind of initiative.Meanwhile in Belgium...
If this extremism is faith based, it's important the leaders of those communities make a hard stance against it and focus towards the good parts of their religions and what unites them.
(personally i'm atheist)
Fffs how many do we have to say that these terrorists are most of the time 3rd or 4th generation citizens.
It's not new immigrants who are making these attacks. These are thugs who have no education at all, who grew up in ghettos around big cities, who used to deal drugs and spend their days smoking weed. One day then end up in prison and get radicalized and become terrorists. Most of them have the same story.
Kiever Sher
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No he's talking about the attack in general because he talked about the cops that were killed and the Hebdo staff. He just said how both groups are going about it differently because the brothers let civilians go but the other hostage taker shot a street cleaner. Of course they have a warped idea of a legit target etc.
Powerful picture!Meanwhile in Belgium...
Yup hoping european special forces are already helping our french friends.
Herb Alpert
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let's put all algerian people in jail then.
I won't argue more.
Please stop saying such bullshit. That is what the fanatic morons want.
Kiever Sher
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Force of habit I guess. I think Sam Kiley is pretty good though.
This is Germany going from "we don't have special forces" to the above in like a few years btw
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