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Terrorist attack at synagogue Manchester uk
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Embearded
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I've never read the entire thing myself, only translated passages.
There are things in there that actually mention and promote violence to specific groups (pagans I think?)or for self defense.
Some are open to translation and there have been debates about the actual meaning, i.e the punishment for apostasy which often is death.
Just like the discussion i had here about the Bible, i'll say the same thing about the Quran.
They are books written by men, with the flaws, passions and biases of these men and nothing more. And people kill each other because of the bad feelings some fools had centuries ago.
The time to wake up has long passed. I, as an individual who was born with a limited time on this earth, reject the responsibility to make them behave like modern human beings and accept them.
I say we stop meddling with their homelands and ban them from entering ours.
But we need to stop participating in their affairs now.
Windle Poons
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Came back to check this morning clearly not a far right racist bigot nazi that carrried out this attack then?
Riiiiiiiight.
But you hear shit day after day that people are scared to go out of their houses because someone put a Union Jack flag up on a lamppost.
Who do we need to be more scared of exactly?
Rhetorical question.
Riiiiiiiight.
But you hear shit day after day that people are scared to go out of their houses because someone put a Union Jack flag up on a lamppost.
Who do we need to be more scared of exactly?
Rhetorical question.
winjer
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Dr.Morris79
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No chance.
He needs to go, today. Him and his abhorrent cabinet.
The lot. Today.
Next, bring in the army and shut this shit down. Today.
Now!
Enough of this shit.
Madserb2023
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He doesn't even realize when he needs a sh*t.
Ursus Vindicant
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I placed a bet on a 2025 election after the Rayner debacle. Odds were 50/1, they're now 33/1.
Ursus Vindicant
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And everyone should read it. That's my point. Come to your own conclusion.
Dr.Morris79
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captainnapalm
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I do sometimes wonder how the islamization of the UK/Europe is going to end. It's simple maths that with current birth rates, white people will continue to shrink in size while other groups will grow. So either native Europeans will eventually disappear - or they end up taking action to stop the trend - which could go a number of ways - some of them probably bad.
It does sometimes feel like Europe will inevitably end up swinging to the right again - say sometimes around the 30s, which, I'm not sure, but I think may have happened before lol. The smarter move would be realizing the problem right now and taking decisive action before things really get out of hand.
It does sometimes feel like Europe will inevitably end up swinging to the right again - say sometimes around the 30s, which, I'm not sure, but I think may have happened before lol. The smarter move would be realizing the problem right now and taking decisive action before things really get out of hand.
Lambogenie
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Always helps to read it fully yourself and come to your own conclusion. No harm in doing that or asking questions about it.
The book does talk about war, it does teach standing up for the faith, but in all cases it was at specific times and in specific ways and not wanton kill the infidel just because (really if that was the case we'd see far more murders).
It's very easy to cherry pick everything in any book that sounds crazy. It turns heads, raise eyebrows or get people to click videos. So it's best to just read it cover to cover and form your own opinion.
Otherwise all you have is these high profile cases to form a view by ignoring the regular living Muslims and never visiting their countries or knowing the sheer diversity of them across the likes of Bosnia, Nigeria, China and Mexico but skew the view it's mostly Arabs (when Indonesia statistically has most Muslims).
Wildebeest
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Unfortunately a lot of communities in the UK feel they are targets for violence but it often seems like Jews are the ones who face the most hostility and have to take the most severe measures to protect themselves. I guess that some "white" people do convert to Islam but I'm not sure what relevance that has to anything. A lot of people in the UK are atheists or functionally atheists since they don't practice anything and that is a more significant trend than turning to the divine submission of Islam, or whatever. But the fact is that when it comes to this valid fear of persecution for faith it is more about what you look like and the perception of who you are than what you really believe. If someone is just white British person and doesn't look like wearing some trad religious outfit or doesn't look flamboyantly gay, or something, they will be assumed to be a Christian.
But the point is that targeted violence against Jews in the UK is rising and that is based on what they look like and the places they are seen at. The fact that people are putting the heat on them locally for something happening overseas, making ridiculous "get outs" from hate speech by making out there is some huge semantic gap between antisemitism and anti-Zionism, protesting directly after this terror attack, and straight up ignoring it,
Beretta
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Well you just blew my mind cuz I had no idea Indonesia had the most Muslims so I just looked to see the percentage and saw it's 87%, wow!
Thanks for the response, I'm always open and willing to learn.
Trilobit
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And apparently his brother's name is Killinnocentpeople Al-Shamie
FUBARx89
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Tommy Robinson is a pure cunt.
Proper knee jerk reaction saying send the Army in. The Army needs to be preparing for war. Not being sent into the streets to do the police and border forces job.
Dr.Morris79
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Can anyone explain this?
Okay..
Right, okay..
This is the point of the shot
The attacker was just about to get up, one (Or two, at a push) shots were fired at at the attacker, who, from the perspective of the officer was at a downward trajectory.. so, how?
Okay..
Right, okay..
This is the point of the shot
The attacker was just about to get up, one (Or two, at a push) shots were fired at at the attacker, who, from the perspective of the officer was at a downward trajectory.. so, how?
Unlike those saints preaching good times and good will at the Mosque, right..
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
Based on how the UK allows immigrants to come on their little boats from France, I think it would only be fair that Starmer doesn't allow police protection of his home. If the Native Brits don't enjoy protection, then nor should its leaders.
calico
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It was neat when the eternal conflicts of the Middle East were confined to the Middle East.
The greatest threat to the British people is now internal, not external.
iirc a similar thing happened with the narwhal tusk terror attack, where a bus got hit indirectly by police gunfire.
The greatest threat to the British people is now internal, not external.
Ricochet, or possibly from shots that put him down in the first place?
iirc a similar thing happened with the narwhal tusk terror attack, where a bus got hit indirectly by police gunfire.
In 1917 there were only around 600,000-700,000 people living in nowadays Israel+Gaza+Westbank. Before the current Gaza war started there were more than 2 million people in Gaza alone and Gaza makes like 3% of the territory where 100 years ago much less people lived. And lets not forget that the British Mandate of Palestine also contained Jordan which was seperated in 1921 to appease to the Arabs who were heavily against the immigration of Jews.
Maybe this isnt karma for the balfour declaration, but for implementing the white paper in 1939 to try to quell the arab revolts? Especially during the Holocaust the British could have let more Jews escape to their Mandate but instead insisted on a quota of letting not more than 15,000 Jews in each year because they wanted to secure Arab support in the Middle East.
Sorry for OT, but I doubt anyone back then could have anticipated that even more than 100 years later the biggest priority for arabs (now palestinians) would be the prevention of a Jewish state.
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DirtInUrEye
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Unlike those saints preaching good times and good will at the Mosque, right..
Guess what there are cunts in all walks of life.
Hopefully Reform will get a grip of this (literally the only reason people will probably vote the party into power) but without deploying the military as that really isn't necessary. It's a political problem - we're still not at civil level, yet.
FUBARx89
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Unlike those saints preaching good times and good will at the Mosque, right..
I went to school with a fair few Muslims. I left in 05. Not a single one of them has been in trouble with law, weren't pricks in school. Garage I get my MOT done at, is a Muslim fella, known him since I was 17 or so. He's not at work today. He's at the mosque. Finds radical Muslims abhorrent.
Not every practising Muslim is a cunt who wants to burn this country down or hates people because of their religion.
Just like Not every white person is a racist or a right winger for wanting their country to prosper and to keep undesirables out of the country. Not every white person is gonna turn into a junkie, like the majority of smack heads are up here in the NE.
But Tommy Robinson is just a cunt though. Mortgage fraud. Stalking. Defamation. Assualt. He isn't a good person and no one should be taking any lessons from him.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
That's absolutely crazy if that's the case
Well maybe the military is a stretch, hopefully in time it doesn't actually come to that.
As I've shown in the thread though, and is documented, when you have an islamic movement in your institutions, freely open marches protesting 'From the river to the sea', a home Secretary who has joined such marches, police telling islamists to 'put their weapons back in the Mosque, a national cover up of islamic rape gangs and the nearing of 'Islamaphobic' speech laws being drawn up..
Well..
Doesn't leave a lot to the imagination does it
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Definately an imported problem then
www.bbc.co.uk
"Diversity is our strength"
Jihad Al-Shamie: Who was the Manchester synagogue attacker?
Jihad Al-Shamie was a weightlifting enthusiast who rarely spoke to his neighbours, one resident said.
www.bbc.co.uk
"Diversity is our strength"
captainnapalm
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The problem isn't all muslims, but the specific cultures in the muslim countries that many of the UK immigrants are coming from. All people are born mostly the same, but it's culture that changes them. You're just importing other people's problems into your own backyard under some misguided belief that they will naturally assimilate - regardless of where they're from or what they've been taught to believe.
Dr.Morris79
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No ones saying 'all' Muslims. Everyone knows good Muslims.
But until those good Muslims go against stuff that has been preached in those mosques, expect more.
If we are going to have a Muslim woman as our home Secretary, I would have vastly preferred this lady..
But we seem to have an islamic activist
And that's never going to be seen as a bridge.
DirtInUrEye
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The problem is Islam and its inherent incompatibility with Western values.
Bojji
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Have you seen the constant news of murders coming out of US cities? Constant and its homegrown. This
Death toll from attack at Michigan church stays at 4 after police sweep charred ruins
Authorities in Michigan say search crews did not find any additional bodies inside a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints chapel where a former Marine opened fire and set the building ablaze, killing four people.apnews.com
And this on the same day:
Following kirks killing
But sure "no hope for us" over the pond.
This may sound bad but violence + USA is nothing new. Since I can remember there always was something in America: mass shootings, car chases, gang violence, drugs etc. All that culture imported to us (movies, tv shows, crime drama etc.) only confirmed that. USA was always very wealthy and very violent (compared to typical European) country. Only big thing that changed since 90s in my opinion is that political division between citizens was never greater, now we have politically motivated murders as well + LGBT cult indoctrinating children.
UK on the other hand - news were almost always positive: strong economy, peaceful, queen etc. Country was also very diverse but it seemed much calmer back then (we didn't know about rape gangs, that's for sure). Most of UK culture imported to us was British humor - Benny Hill or Monthy Python, both great and not very politically correct...
Now? Mass islamisation, uncontrolled migration, Pakistani rape gangs, two tier justice system, terrorists attacks, attacks on freedom of speech, blasphemy laws for Muslims (only for them), digital ID, age verification, potential VPN block and on, and on... List is much longer in reality.
It's tragic.
Dr.Morris79
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In its extremes, yes.
Watch that video I just posted though. Tell me you wouldn't prefer her ideals over whatever the hell has been running rampant.
Dr.Morris79
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Incase anyone gives a shit. Her and Tommy did an interview
Hate Tommy, or don't. Hate Islam or don't. But until this country gets a grip, it'll only get worse. And this government is not getting a grip and making it worse, daily.
Hate Tommy, or don't. Hate Islam or don't. But until this country gets a grip, it'll only get worse. And this government is not getting a grip and making it worse, daily.
Nicktendo86
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When we have the NHS promoting the idea of first cousin marriages (I am not even joking) which race or culture do we think they're pandering to here? It's certainly not to white British people that's for sure. What hell are we importing?
First-cousin marriage has ‘benefits’, says NHS guidance despite birth defect risk
The NHS has been urged to apologise for publishing guidance extolling the benefits of first-cousin marriage despite the increased risk of birth defects.
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Wildebeest
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Nothing new about violence in the UK either. Americans are more exposed to UK news via the internet now but mostly still couldn't care less about actual UK history and don't care at all about putting the UK news stories in proper perspective or context.
Critical Hit
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But how he was elected?
FUBARx89
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No ones saying 'all' Muslims. Everyone knows good Muslims.
But until those good Muslims go against stuff that has been preached in those mosques, expect more.
If we are going to have a Muslim woman as our home Secretary, I would have vastly preferred this lady..
But we seem to have an islamic activist
And that's never going to be seen as a bridge.
You may not think it's all Muslims and that's great, but social media is filled with so much hatred and statements along the lines of kick em all out the country etc. It's depressing.
It does not help all previous govts have been too afraid to act against radical mosques out of fear from being called Racist. You're correct that Muslims should call out the radical element. That applies to every single religion and ethnicity on earth really. But Govts should also stop hiding behind the religious freedom shield and go for the Mosques spouting radical hatred. The Church affiliated schools etc where nonces hide.
I do not care who we have as a home sec, as long as they're not useless cunts. But we have had a succession of them and that hasn't changed with
I think our Country needs to do far more than getting on top of the broken immigration system.
We need to tackle our shockingly high number of functional alcoholics who are one bad day away from no longer being functional & just an alcholic, smack heads, a prison system that doesn't work because it is too lenient, scrotes riding around on motorbikes with free reign to do as they please, a broken police system that barely seems to function and somehow fix the fractured community of the nation.
And Labour is not the answer. I cannot stand that tosser Starmer and his govt. It's just a continuation of past Tory govts. Nor do I think Farage is the answer. We need and deserve better than all these current smarmy rats in Westminister. Our children deserve better than the shit us Gen X's and Millenials have inherited from the prior generations who have fucked this country into the ground.
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Wildebeest
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Because Boris was found to be partying when telling everyone to lock down and Truss almost totally crashed the economy overnight when she followed the idiotic economic advice given by sanctimonious think tanks like the Institute of Economic Affairs. Nigel Farage and Reform are also associated with the same people who's ideas almost crashed the system. They want another go and know that people are too dumb to put 1 + 1 together.
calico
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They certainly should have listened to Tommy Robinson when he was sounding the alarm about the rape gangs ~15 years ago.
I really don't give a shit if they managed to find an error in a mortgage application or something after concentrating the resources of the state on finding anything to take him down with to try and solve a political problem. If he had been listened to, thousands of children who were repeatedly raped could have been spared that fate. The people at all levels of police and government who chose to allow that to continue are guilty of far worse than anything he has done and will likely never face any consequences, at least in this life.
The 'good Muslims' are unfortunately unwilling or unable to prevent the 'bad Muslims' being the ones who eventually come to dominate the group, first in those Islam-dominated communities and -once numerous enough- in the entire nation. That unfortunately reduces the options to being ruled by the 'bad Muslims', or not having Islam at all. There appears to be no scenario where you can only have the 'good Muslims', or where the proportion of 'bad Muslims' is not so high (compared to other groups) that they don't come to dominate the group.
It would be great if the Islamic community could get its own house in order, but that will never happen, and I don't believe there is even any particular desire within that community for it to happen. 'Good' or 'bad', they both share the goal of Islam coming to a position of dominance. I don't believe many are too fussed about the methods used to get there.
I really don't give a shit if they managed to find an error in a mortgage application or something after concentrating the resources of the state on finding anything to take him down with to try and solve a political problem. If he had been listened to, thousands of children who were repeatedly raped could have been spared that fate. The people at all levels of police and government who chose to allow that to continue are guilty of far worse than anything he has done and will likely never face any consequences, at least in this life.
The 'good Muslims' are unfortunately unwilling or unable to prevent the 'bad Muslims' being the ones who eventually come to dominate the group, first in those Islam-dominated communities and -once numerous enough- in the entire nation. That unfortunately reduces the options to being ruled by the 'bad Muslims', or not having Islam at all. There appears to be no scenario where you can only have the 'good Muslims', or where the proportion of 'bad Muslims' is not so high (compared to other groups) that they don't come to dominate the group.
It would be great if the Islamic community could get its own house in order, but that will never happen, and I don't believe there is even any particular desire within that community for it to happen. 'Good' or 'bad', they both share the goal of Islam coming to a position of dominance. I don't believe many are too fussed about the methods used to get there.
captainnapalm
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To a certain degree, but you wouldn't have the same kinds of problems if you were importing middle-class Turks, for example.
and what were your conclusions?
MayauMiao
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This is hilarious, the number of protesters are not equal to that of Tommy Robinson's recent march but already causing havoc.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
What are these extremes? I had an muslim guy who was an intern at my job who wouldn't eat with the rest of us in the dining hall. In Sweden. He didn't seem extreme otherwise. Do you think that will lead to any level of coexistence or assimilation from their part? Or often when I see young muslim women working they have a male chaperone with them. Is that compatible with the strong work ethic in the native population? Where everyone is supposed to work hard(unless you're sick) to pay for the welfare society.
Extremism isn't just about violence. There needs to be a basic compatibility with the host nation. Otherwise it just breeds enclaves where the kids don't learn Swedish and have an even harder time getting jobs and participating in society. And eventually that breeds contempt against the natives and things get even worse.
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Angry_Megalodon
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This is a two-fold problem, no matter how some of you bury your head in the sand behind the classic "not all".
- The most notorious part of the problem is the violent psychos, from terrorists to raping gangs. All those must go, one way or the other.
- And then, there is the even bigger problem, the "good ones". Sure, they are peaceful and friendly... as long as they are minority. Once they reach critical mass, those nice ones will have their islamist parties, and together with the non-nice ones, will vote for Sharia and whatever other bullshit they believe in, because they will NEVER live by Western standards and whoever believes that is an idiot.
How many protests they do because of the actions of the bad guys? What's happening in the UK with these rapes is impossible to ignore, yet they won't move a finger against "their own". They are the grass that hide the snake, they know our society still lives in a bubble of self-indulgence and only violence in the streets will wake us up from the multicultural pipe dream.
Unfortunately, it will be the sons and daughters who will pay for the sins and cowardice of their parents.
- The most notorious part of the problem is the violent psychos, from terrorists to raping gangs. All those must go, one way or the other.
- And then, there is the even bigger problem, the "good ones". Sure, they are peaceful and friendly... as long as they are minority. Once they reach critical mass, those nice ones will have their islamist parties, and together with the non-nice ones, will vote for Sharia and whatever other bullshit they believe in, because they will NEVER live by Western standards and whoever believes that is an idiot.
How many protests they do because of the actions of the bad guys? What's happening in the UK with these rapes is impossible to ignore, yet they won't move a finger against "their own". They are the grass that hide the snake, they know our society still lives in a bubble of self-indulgence and only violence in the streets will wake us up from the multicultural pipe dream.
Unfortunately, it will be the sons and daughters who will pay for the sins and cowardice of their parents.
DirtInUrEye
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Refreshing lady to listen to, although the biggest clue as to why she comes across as agreeable and highly sensible is when she states that she isn't very religious.
I think you're probably right about that.
Anyway,
It's a pity this channel's thumbnails seem designed to clickbait the more unsavoury side of the right, because the actual content of his commentary is usually quite well thought out and practical.
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What period are you talking about exactly here?
We've had terrorist attacks in the past, especially when a group of people stir up some hatred and division among us. We had the Finsbury Mosque attack, London Bridge attack, the murder of Jo Cox, IRA, the list goes on several decades.
The only thing that's actually different with what you're reading about my country from where you live abroad now is public perception. social media has made the division worse today among ordinary people, especially when some influencers perpetuate bullshit for political reasons with no legal restrictions about the actual facts. Laws that media outlets have and follow to hold them to a better standard. Instead they pretend that those media outlets are dirty when the people stirring up division are running amok.
Our economy hasn't been particularly strong in the past either. In fact when we left the EU it became worse. Again at the time people were blaming others instead of looking inwards and finding plausible ways of improving it. i.e they were blaming mass immigration of Polish people taking their jobs and Nigel Farage was trying to benefit from the division to start a movement to get into power under UKIP. We left the EU and things didn't improve that much economically and now he and the same mostly unemployed groups are looking for somebody else to blame and for them to come into power. You also say "uncontrolled migration" but the migration laws today are far stricter today than they have been in the past so I'm not sure what to tell you there.
Let me just tell you this. There are a group of rich people who want power, who have no problem stirring up division to keep the mindless masses busy and voting for them while the status and actual data of the country as a whole go to shit. Again social media destroyed Bernie but he had a really good point here 20 years ago
You look at what is happening over there in the US today. Blaming immigration, racial divide, religious divide, abortion issues, sexual orientation divide, "anti-woke and woke". You ask yourself what this is really about. The mass deportations, the stopping of migrants, meanwhile unemployment in the US went up during all this. Meanwhile the top 1% of the globe can now buy entry to the US with a simple payment so it got easier for some. "Oh but those are better people than the poor mexicans we let in before". Yes, because being rich stopped Epstien from being a piece of shit too. The rich politicians still need your vote so they divide and tell those riled up people what they want to hear, "I'm anti-woke and anti immigration look at me". They should shut up and improve those things that are actually important to the country rather than divide. There is rising unemployment and greater cost of goods in the US making the rich richer and not providing anything really as a benefit other than telling the poorer masses what they want to hear regarding their favourite rage-bait topics so they can get into and stay in power. There's a bunch of power hungry people trying the same in the UK now. Divide and conquer.
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Lambogenie
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If you actually go to a mosque you might find out. There's almost nothing stopping you unless it's closed. Same as church.Can anyone explain this?
Okay..
Right, okay..
This is the point of the shot
The attacker was just about to get up, one (Or two, at a push) shots were fired at at the attacker, who, from the perspective of the officer was at a downward trajectory.. so, how?
Unlike those saints preaching good times and good will at the Mosque, right..
Did you guys never get school trips to any religious places growing up?
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
I was turned away from one that was near my old house, opposite a kids play park. I wanted to see how it was converted as I used to go in there as a kid. It used to be a playscheme for kids
Now it's dilapidated and just has moody looking cab drivers hanging outside it
Dunno what else to tell you
Lambogenie
Member
Fair enough.I was turned away from one that was near my old house, opposite a kids play park. I wanted to see how it was converted as I used to go in there as a kid. It used to be a playscheme for kids
Now it's dilapidated and just has moody looking cab drivers hanging outside it
Dunno what else to tell you
The best ones are usually the "Central" ones since they're purpose built, nice architecture, etc. Most big cities globally have one with variances. Otherwise it could be, as you say, dilapidated place not purpose built.
spookyfish
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Not a chance. He'll double down, like others have.
EDIT: Didn't mean to sound so terse -- I would like for you to be right.
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