Yeah, other Muslims are targets because they don't believe in the "correct" ISIS interpretation of the Quran.My point is to completely divorce Islam from what is happening is madness and a deliberate denial of reality. The way the teachings in the Quran have been interpreted is central to the ISIS ideology. They aren't pulling their philosophy out of the Bhagavad Gita or the Bible.
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Terrorist attack in London [up: 6 people killed, ~50 injured, 3 attackers dead]
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KZObsessed
Member
BBC said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40146916
Yeah, I'm sure your God is so grateful you stabbed an innocent girl you dumb fucking cunts.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Wouldn't have mattered much. KKK got pushed back because well for one they were labeled as an terrorist group by the government, the language of America changed, and the government gave African Americans their past dues in equal rights, thus made it hard for KKK members in businesses to really do anything overt which was the only thing KKK knew how to do.
If church accepted the KKK as their role model that would only destroy churches. It's kind of disingenuous to suggest that it was the church and Christians who pushed KKK back when really most of America were either indifferent to the plights of African Americans, or angry about their continual demands for equality. Especially when Christian heavy states dragged their feet on abolishing some of their more racist laws even after the federal government pushed era defining acts.
We've been attacked on our own soil 3 times in 3 months. Our children are being blown up at concerts, knived in the street and mowed down.
Whether you attribute the title to it we sure as shit need to start acting like we are. It turns out everybody applying a Facebook filter and praying has achieved fuck all so perhaps it's time for some alternatives.
It has nothing to do with Islam. It is a cult that uses Islam in a bastardized way to recruit the mentally ill, psychopaths, etc.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
when you're starting to give up civil liberties and the values we stand for, including due process, in fear of terrorism, you're letting them win.
Deaths is a risk societies all over the world take for personal freedoms.
Have you read their reasoning?
So let's carry on as we are and keep seeing this happen?
Or..? What's your alternative?
This is absolutely frightening.
Tell this to the families of those waking up this morning without their friends and relatives.
In fact my other half knows one of those killed in Manchester, I'll tell her to pass this on shall I?
Do you have any source on these terrorists being mentally ill or are you talking out of your ass ?
So it's okay to generalize white terrorist attacks as a mental health issue, but these Muslim terrorists are totally mentally stable and it's totally Islam that's the issue - it's rotting their brains! Ban all Muslims! No one is safe!
I've literally never said anything you mention here and I despise the mental health scapegoat when it's white people as well.
If anything you're the one painting millions of mentally ill people as violent here, not me.
How could you stop this?
Reasoning for what? Mass murder?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
There's lots of areas we can improve to prevent these incidents from happening that do not involve setting up an offshore prison. Most importantly combatting recruitment in the first place.
Have you read their interpretations of the Qur'an that you said was different?
Miles Quaritch
Member
Despite how much it might make sense now, mostly because you're irrational and angry, this is exactly what the terrorists hope to achieve in terms of tearing down the foundations of a civilised society.
They want us to take drastic actions, to lock up potentially innocent people and to allow injustices to happen in the name of 'keeping everyone safe'...that's fuel for their propaganda.
Joel Was Right
Member
I wonder why armed police wear masks to cover their faces when responding to incidents, but when patrolling streets and stations, they are unmasked.
There are no alternatives. Accept that terrorism will always be a factor in one form or another. Or don't. We're all free to labour under one delusion or another.
Also, maybe get as worked up as you seem to be about the real causes of pain and death in this country, of which the actions of a few idiots are barely measureable.
I've told you. Every single person currently on a terrorist watch list or "known to the authoroties" as a possible threat to this country and it's people - of all religions - to be rounded up and taken off the streets and out of society.
Sounds like a starting point.
But I suppose civil liberties and death is the price we pay so lol idk
Chittagong
Gold Member
What UK needs to do is to build its own Guantanamo bay where everyone involved in those 500 active plots are shipped until further investigation, it is not possible for MI5 to follow thousands of people simultaneously. And if found guilty, law should be amended so that such offenders should remain indefinitely on the island. That should build a deterrent and slow things down.
Has nothing to do with Islam, yet Islam is the way people are recruited... that makes literally no sense.
lemmykoopa
Junior Member
For how long do you detain them? And what happens then when they get out after a while? It's not feasible.
I'm not sure where you're going with this.
Are you suggesting for something to be done to the Quran?
They are not killing "muslims" in their eyes. They think they are killing scum. The innocent people that they murder are considered less than dirt. Because that's what they believe their God believes.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Go ahead? What would that achieve? I'm not trying to console a victim or relative of one.
Wrestlemania
Banned
Yeah lock them up and put them all together while they're investigated. Not like radicalisation in prison is an issue or anything.
Sinfamy
Member
Whether it works or not I'm not sure, but people are tired of the same canned responses every time a tragedy like this happens.
The politicians get together, and say that their thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families, and that this won't bring the city down because people are brave and strong, then they will carry on with their lives until the next attack.
I just want to see a domestic response that at least paints an image of security.
Build case files of everywhere these terrorists have been, find out how they got radicalized, and proverbially bust some heads. Make it clear that their type of rhetoric will not be tolerated.
Just make it look like you're doing something, put on a show.
Maybe gentrify some neighborhoods that are known to house a lot of people with extremist views.
Boy Wander
Member
My initial reaction is to agree with this, but the problem is that you're breeding further contempt in Muslim communities by effectively locking up innocent people. You may in fact create new terrorists out of people who wouldn't otherwise be that way inclined.
Lalalalala not listening. Hey you're part of the problem.
Audioboxer
Member
The average terrorism sentences in the UK seem to be around 4~6 years. We have a long-term issue of watching some of these people for pretty much their whole life. Even if they don't attack themselves they spread radicalised views to others. Eventually some angry man always seems to put actions where the thoughts are. I mean, do martyrs ever "run out?" Look at how many bombs, killings and explosions go on in Islamic dominant countries. Political Islam is going to be battled long-term it seems.
This is why it's such a hard battle and why radical ideas stay in circulation ~ http://news.sky.com/story/warning-as-hundreds-of-jailed-terrorists-back-on-uk-streets-10639848
michaelius
Banned
No "guerilla" type organization can grow without local population support in it's initial stages.
Chittagong
Gold Member
For those proven guilty for involvement in a terrorist plot, indefinitely. It is a fairly small number of people, UK can manage locking up a thousand or two people. The real challenge would be not to radicalise those found not guilty, so the standard of detention and treatment of people should be high, initially.
PdotMichael
Banned
Religion is a crucial part of culture and society etc. You can't isolate it in the way to single out it as reasons for terrorism or claiming that Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. The topic is way more complex.
They were labelled as terrorists by a Christian government.
So innocent people get put in a large camp with terrorists?
And if those innocent people get killed in prison society you have another tier of prisons?
Maintenance
Member
So, #NotAllFrogs?
If we start locking up everyone we might possibly suspect we are bound to make the problem worse and create more resentment among the community and push others into the arms of isis. We need to engage with the community and make sure people don't feel so disenfranchised that they go down this extremeist path.
War on drugs - that went well....
War on terror - that's going well...
The first response is anger, but it won't work and it's exactly what isis want.
War on drugs - that went well....
War on terror - that's going well...
The first response is anger, but it won't work and it's exactly what isis want.
It's quite obvious from the ideas they espouse that they are interpreting the Quran in a more literalist manner and have found justification for waging war against disbelievers ie people who don't follow their interpretation. If this is not the case then where else are they getting their ideas from? Are they reading some other book? Why do they call themselves "Islamic" state and express a desire to establish a caliphate?
Traffic accidents kill orders of magnitude more people than terrorism does. If you're so concerned about people waking up without their loved ones perhaps you also campaign to remove all private transport?
Or maybe you're just a reactionary whose hasn't really thought this through.
Wrestlemania
Banned
People just hate hearing the type of things that, long term, are actually part of a reasonable solution for these problems.
Leanne Wood from Plaid Cymru brought this up in the debate earlier in the week, and it's a perfect example of what needs to be looked at before we start locking up every Muslim that someone has reported as suspicious or because they're tangentially linked to someone under investigation.
Leanne Wood from Plaid Cymru brought this up in the debate earlier in the week, and it's a perfect example of what needs to be looked at before we start locking up every Muslim that someone has reported as suspicious or because they're tangentially linked to someone under investigation.
Get the fuck off with that.
Beheading gays in saudi arabia has nothing to do with islam
Opressing women and girls in iran because of a different chromoson has nothing to do with islam
Stoning people for adultery has nothing to do with islam
But those officials in those countries are all psychopaths and mentaly ill, right?
BossDarkseid
Member
Wasn't the number of suspected terrorists supposed to be more like 20k though? Or am I getting that figure mixed up with a wider-europe thing.
This makes sense if you're talking about rounding up innocent people. If you've made it to the point where you're 'known' then you probably are a potential threat, no?
Something needs to be "done," with most religious texts, they were vague and difficult to decipher thousands of years ago when they were chronologically relevant.
Now they are all just completely out of date in a modern world.
Audioboxer
Member
Posted earlier in this thread. MI5 released info they have a file of 23k names of interest that gets whittled down to 3k being worked on and 500 actual active investigations at once.
Boy Wander
Member
don't compare wanton acts of killing to genuine accidents. What a fucking stupid comparison.
Have you read their reasoning or not? Because it's quite clear to me that you have not.
Summer Haze
Banned
I was under the impression the Manchester attacker was known to the authorities and had been reported by his local mosques and his own family years prior to the attack?
Guantanamo bay, the fuck are you talking about?